pH kills cancer and an update on my father-in-law who killed his cancer in 3 weeks!

a reply to: TerryDon79


Their was/is a doctor in Italy that injected baking sodas into tumours, and took photos of the rapid shrinkage after the injection. Sorry that all I can remember.

a reply to: anonentity

Yeah, I know who you're on about. He doesn't have a licence and apparently he was the first person to come up with this "cure".

A word about Simoncini: A Google search of “bicarbonate therapy and cancer” will invariably be led to Tullio Simoncini. He is an Italian physician who has been promoting bicarbonate therapy for a number of maladies, including cancer. He has promoted this aggressively on YOUTUBE and multiple websites. Simoncini is a medical doctor whose license to practice medicine was purportedly withdrawn in 2003, and in 2006 he was allegedly convicted by an Italian judge for wrongful death and swindling. Simoncini allegedly injected sodium bicarbonate to a breast cancer patient in the Netherlands, this patient died.
Tullio Simoncini claims that cancer is caused by a fungus and that it can be treated with sodium bicarbonate within days with no side effects. There is no scientific proof that cancer is caused by a fungus. Simoncini never produced any scientific proof to support his claims. Although Simoncini’s license is suspended he continues to administer his therapies in Italy and around the world.

www.anticancerfund.org

Believe it or not, I am actually trying to find any recent study with results that are outside of a petri dish.

a reply to: bitsforbytes

Cancer loves to live in acidic environments.

Correction. As you said, cancer can create acidosis.

Acidosis has cancer listed as one source.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: bitsforbytes

Cancer loves to live in acidic environments.

Correction. As you said, cancer can create acidosis.

Acidosis has cancer listed as one source.

Precisely what I've been finding.

I have stumbled (through lots of searching) some surprising results though.

A Italian study from 2014 suggests baking soda showed promise as a means of controlling tumor growth and the spread of cancer cells to other organs.2

And research from the Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa, Florida, indicates the alkalizing effect on pH of baking soda could play an important role in slowing cancer cell activity.3

www.alsearsmd.com

All of the tests have been done in mice and dishes though. I still haven't found any conclusive evidence of sodium bicarbonate curing Cancer in humans.

I did find that Sodium Bicarbonate can actually be injected into the body or taken as a pill/capsule to help with acidosis though. I will admit, that was interesting.

a reply to: TerryDon79
He was also convicted of manslaughter for perforating a man's colon during a colonoscopy while "infusing" a tumor.

He does not have a good history.
www.123hjemmeside.dk...

a reply to: TerryDon79

All of the tests have been done in mice and dishes though. I still haven't found any conclusive evidence of sodium bicarbonate curing Cancer in humans.

Yeah, I know.
What pH level was attained? How would you go about reaching that level in a living human without killing them?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TerryDon79
He was also convicted of manslaughter for perforating a man's colon during a colonoscopy while "infusing" a tumor.

I didn't see that one, but I wasn't really searching for the guy and what he done. I just stumbled on it by accident so checked that specific thing.

Certainly looks like he's the one who started off the whole "baking soda cures Cancer" thing though.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TerryDon79

All of the tests have been done in mice and dishes though. I still haven't found any conclusive evidence of sodium bicarbonate curing Cancer in humans.

Yeah, I know.
What pH level was attained? How would you go about reaching that level in a living human without killing them?

Well it's not done by ingestion, that's for sure. It's injected straight into the tumor (or a solution was put onto the tumor cells on the dish).

PH level wasn't stated, but I wouldn't imagine it would effect your blood PH much per tumor, but could certainly have problems with accumulation after injecting multiple tumors.

Like I said though, there's nothing that states any definitive tests with the human body. There were a couple of trials started, but either the results were inconclusive (due to a varying of results which could have been the patients bodies reacting on their own), or the studies never started due to not enough participation.

I actually found something else out about sodium bicarbonate.

There was a study done with 26 Cancer patients who were declared terminal without the option of conventional treatment. They suffered from high levels of pain that couldn't be managed without putting them to sleep. The study showed that dimethyl sulfoxide and sodium bicarbonate mixed together is a viable pain treatment for refractory pain and also, it meant a better quality of life.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

a reply to: TerryDon79

The study showed that dimethyl sulfoxide and sodium bicarbonate mixed together is a viable pain treatment for refractory pain and also, it meant a better quality of life.

DMSO and baking soda for palliative care.
I wonder if it performed better than a placebo.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TerryDon79

The study showed that dimethyl sulfoxide and sodium bicarbonate mixed together is a viable pain treatment for refractory pain and also, it meant a better quality of life.

DMSO and baking soda for palliative care.
I wonder if it performed better than a placebo.

Apparently so. I'm trying to find more info on it.

My wife is open to many things since she had her surgery to remove most of her large intestines to slow the progress of the Cancer. She's due more chemo this year to slow it slightly. Next step is an ileostomy bag after they remove the rest. Biggest problem she has at the moment is that it's spread outside the colon.

Average life span for her type of Cancer is to live to around 40. Her dad is 50, but he had all of his large intestines removed before he hit 20, but he still has Cancer. It's hereditary. So hopefully we'll find something that's in trials that's got some good preliminary results.

It was actually her that pointed out this thread. She's tried most of the alternate treatment cures. Some made her more sick than the chemo did (which says a lot).

a reply to: Phage

You have real problems blinding tests that include DMSO, as you always know if you received it.

Also, DMSO is a fine anti-inflammatory and has analgesic properties by itself.

a reply to: Phage


Yes cancer makes acid so it can survive. Thats what isaid

Essentially, what the OP suggests is true (not sure about a cure but....). Someone mentioned molasses with bicarbonate thrown in - it's an interesting idea actually. Cancer cells are ravenous for sugars - that's how a PET scan works - the patient gets an injection of fluorine-18 labeled glucose. The cancer cells light up during the scan and metastasis can be detected.

The acidic environment is also true - here's an article from the Research Director of the No Surrender Breast Cancer Foundation - that said, I doubt if it this therapy would address the genetic component of cancer - but maybe it could be useful controlling metastasis.

Constantine Kaniklidis · No Surrender Breast Cancer Foundation (NSBCF)
Research Director, No Surrender Breast Cancer Foundation (NSBCF)
www.researchgate.net...

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I have done extensive research in this area of cancer metabolism so I will try to place the issue in a clinical context, and also add some highly intriguing and positive data from my own field of expertise, advanced breast cancer therapeutics; the discussion below represents a highly distilled summary of a recent internal review I conducted [pending publication]:

MICROENVIRONMENTAL ACIDOSIS
The phenomenon of microenvironmental acidosis, that is, acidification of the microenvironment, is known to facilitate tumor invasion through these three major mechanisms [1]:

(1) DESTRUCTION OF ADJACENT NORMAL CELL POPULATIONS
(2) ACID-INDUCED DEGRADATION OF THE EXTRACELLULAR MATRIX (ECM)
(3) ANGIOGENESIS PROMOTION

So we know that increased acid production from upregulation of glycolysis results in microenvironmental acidosis which facilitates invasion, and which happens because increased acid production leads to significant decreases in local extracellular pH, and prolonged exposure of normal cells to an acidic microenvironment results in either or both necrosis or apoptosis, through p53-dependent and caspase-3-dependent mechanisms [2,3], and there is evidence that diffusion of acid from the tumor into peritumoral normal tissue provides a specific mechanism promoting tumor invasion [4]. Thus, normal cells, by virtue of lacking a mechanism to adapt to extracellular acidosis (like p53 mutation) cannot survive under such conditions of microenvironmental acidosis, whereas tumor populations continue to proliferate.

a reply to: Phantom423


Its logical to assume as cancers progress the rouge cells get ravenous for sugar, this leaves the sufferer getting tired an has no energy left to fight the disease. Then its logical to assume that stopping all sugars and food that gets converted into sugars , and substitute it with vitamin C the cancer cells take it in thinking its sugar, and then start to self destruct. In Dunedin University some trials have been done, which show promise and some terminal patients have insisted on intravenous infusions of vitamin C and have actually recovered.

a reply to: anonentity

And vitamin C comes from (mainly) fruits, right?

Most common source of vitamin C from fruits is oranges, right?

PH of an orange ranges from 3.3 to 4.2. How is injecting acidic PH supposed to counteract something of an acidic PH?

ETA Have you got a link to this study?

originally posted by: bitsforbytes
a reply to: Phage


Yes cancer makes acid so it can survive. Thats what isaid

Solid tumors make lactic acid because the inside of the tumor has poor circulation, and tends to use anaerobic metabolism.

a reply to: anonentity

Then its logical to assume that stopping all sugars and food that gets converted into sugars , and substitute it with vitamin C the cancer cells take it in thinking its sugar, and then start to self destruct.

I don't think it works like that. Cut out carbs if you want but your body will make glucose from fat and proteins.

Searching the vitamin c thing from Dunedin now. Otago's looking for a million to continue research on the vitamin c but I'm not sure why. Looks like it's been done already. Works or it doesn't.

orthomolecular.org...

ETA:

In Dunedin University some trials have been done, which show promise and some terminal patients have insisted on intravenous infusions of vitamin C and have actually recovered.

Do you mean the University of Otago IN Dunedin? Also I'd love a source for the alleged recoveries there.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: bitsforbytes
a reply to: Phage


Yes cancer makes acid so it can survive. Thats what isaid

Solid tumors make lactic acid because the inside of the tumor has poor circulation, and tends to use anaerobic metabolism.

And that's my new excuse for not exercising. All that lactic acid causin' cancer and #.

a reply to: Phantom423

Someone mentioned molasses with bicarbonate thrown in - it's an interesting idea actually. Cancer cells are ravenous for sugars

No, it's not interesting. It's #ing stupid. It's BULL# like this being spread by dip#s like this-

The baking soda, being very alkaline, is the main anti-cancer substance. The maple syrup is a “carrier” to get the baking soda inside the cancer cells.

www.cancertutor.com...

that burn my ass.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: anonentity

And vitamin C comes from (mainly) fruits, right?

Most common source of vitamin C from fruits is oranges, right?

PH of an orange ranges from 3.3 to 4.2. How is injecting acidic PH supposed to counteract something of an acidic PH?

ETA Have you got a link to this study?

The Linus Pauling Institute in Oregon has done research on Vitamin C and various diseases. You can find the section on cancer at this link: lpi.oregonstate.edu...

Vitamin C is generally taken as a supplement. The compound is sodium ascorbate (C6H7NaO6) which is the sodium salt of ascorbate or the mineral ascorbate. It's more bioavailable than the acid form. It does not decrease ph to a very great extent. The benefits outweigh the risks. Read the research.