Masonic 'Art'.Deciphered?

originally posted by: childofapoet

An image I have been working on.


@ a sexy handsome/pretty beatifull mod(I can kiss ass like the best of them) Maybe change this thread title so symbolism in art and what ever else?

It seems to be heading in that way naturally?

With all of your imaginary tori?

It's certainly gone in one direction alright.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: childofapoet

An image I have been working on.


@ a sexy handsome/pretty beatifull mod(I can kiss ass like the best of them) Maybe change this thread title so symbolism in art and what ever else?

It seems to be heading in that way naturally?

With all of your imaginary tori?

It's certainly gone in one direction alright.

Yup!

The honest one.

a reply to: intergalactic fire
Neat

a reply to: childofapoet
Making your own interpretations and opinions is your right, but you can't assume all will share that opinion. You can't say that similar symbols makes Freemasonry is an extension of the Vatican when it's all based on conjecture. You use ad hominem attacks on those who point out your errors or dismiss them by stating they are not a high enough level though you're not a Mason yourself.

originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: intergalactic fire
Neat

a reply to: childofapoet
Making your own interpretations and opinions is your right, but you can't assume all will share that opinion. You can't say that similar symbols makes Freemasonry is an extension of the Vatican when it's all based on conjecture. You use ad hominem attacks on those who point out your errors or dismiss them by stating they are not a high enough level though you're not a Mason yourself.

You don't have to be a freemason. To be able road and do geometry theses'days. Will see what will see, at the end.

I'm only a few images in. Look for the Patten. All squares and rulers to Freemasons.

I wont be found hanging under a bridge with rocks in my pockets and a $50.0000 watch on. I not in that club. You have to fight me fair.Face to face.

I didn't shake anyone's hand.

What club are you in?

originally posted by: childofapoet

originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: intergalactic fire
Neat

a reply to: childofapoet
Making your own interpretations and opinions is your right, but you can't assume all will share that opinion. You can't say that similar symbols makes Freemasonry is an extension of the Vatican when it's all based on conjecture. You use ad hominem attacks on those who point out your errors or dismiss them by stating they are not a high enough level though you're not a Mason yourself.

You don't have to be a freemason. To be able road and do geometry theses'days. Will see what will see, at the end.

I'm only a few images in. Look for the Patten. All squares and rulers to Freemasons.

I wont be found hanging under a bridge with rocks in my pockets and a $50.0000 watch on. I not in that club. You have to fight me fair.Face to face.

I didn't shake anyone's hand.

What club are you in?

I'd actually find it hard to believe if there WASNT geometry in freemasonry. Mainly because masons were builder. You kind of have to be precise to build something or it'll fall down.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: childofapoet

Balphomet has noting to do with masonry, and the square and compass isn't [snip]
Based on that, I'd say you need to go back to the google and this time, try finding some masonic sources for masonic information. If you go to fundamental Christian hate sites, they only spew hate and lies.

I thought they was in the same skipping team? One leg, ropes. And a game of hide and seek after.

Team?

a reply to: childofapoet
I didn't say anyone has to be a Freemason. I said that your theories about the Vatican-Masonic affiliation were wrong and you did indeed say that only certain "levels" would be in the know ("Not at a low degree they certainly wont know there part of the Vatican").

You're looking for patterns? Maybe you should learn the context of the symbols before you draw conclusions.

Recognized and regular Freemasonry also doesn't kill people in the way Robert Calvi was murdered. P2 was an irregular and clandestine Lodge (the lost their charter in 1970s).

What club are you in?

I'm in several Masonic orders and then I'm in a few non-Masonic "clubs": VFW, Kiwanis Club, Kappa Sigma fraternity, Pi Sigma Alpha, and Political Science Association of BSU.

originally posted by: childofapoet

The fan dance below in the video. Is the same thing. Flower of life. TORUS (all bow and hail the Torus. lol). I will making a thread soon of all the old and ancient folk dances, I have found to make the same Patten.

sorry for my ignorance but i noticed several times you mention Patten, as i'm not a native English speaker i have no idea what it means?
Can you clarify this for me please?
If i put Patten into a translator i get

what is the connection here?


it has to be a coincidence but did you notice the spiral on the 'patten' image?

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: childofapoet

originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: intergalactic fire
Neat

a reply to: childofapoet
Making your own interpretations and opinions is your right, but you can't assume all will share that opinion. You can't say that similar symbols makes Freemasonry is an extension of the Vatican when it's all based on conjecture. You use ad hominem attacks on those who point out your errors or dismiss them by stating they are not a high enough level though you're not a Mason yourself.

You don't have to be a freemason. To be able road and do geometry theses'days. Will see what will see, at the end.

I'm only a few images in. Look for the Patten. All squares and rulers to Freemasons.

I wont be found hanging under a bridge with rocks in my pockets and a $50.0000 watch on. I not in that club. You have to fight me fair.Face to face.

I didn't shake anyone's hand.

What club are you in?

I'd actually find it hard to believe if there WASNT geometry in freemasonry. Mainly because masons were builder. You kind of have to be precise to build something or it'll fall down.

Ancient Freemasonry started with the builders. They had "magical knowledge" which turned out to be geometry. They used it to make perfect squares, circles, and well constructed buildings. The reason for the secrecy was to protect the builders ways. You had to prove yourself to be worthy of the knowledge, and also prove to be able to keep that knowledge to yourself so when you traveled as a Freemason, you could always find work. This was known as "operative" Freemasonry. We practice "speculative" Freemasonry. In that, we use the tools of the builders to link to allegory and symbolism in conveying stories and lessons. That was the initial intent on the secrecy. Today, we keep secrets to prove that we can be trusted among our brethren. So when a mason comes to another mason and asks that their conversation stay "on the level, or on the square", then it's understood that the mason parting with information wishes for that information to remain between the two brothers.

www.msana.com...

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: childofapoet

originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: intergalactic fire
Neat

a reply to: childofapoet
Making your own interpretations and opinions is your right, but you can't assume all will share that opinion. You can't say that similar symbols makes Freemasonry is an extension of the Vatican when it's all based on conjecture. You use ad hominem attacks on those who point out your errors or dismiss them by stating they are not a high enough level though you're not a Mason yourself.

You don't have to be a freemason. To be able road and do geometry theses'days. Will see what will see, at the end.

I'm only a few images in. Look for the Patten. All squares and rulers to Freemasons.

I wont be found hanging under a bridge with rocks in my pockets and a $50.0000 watch on. I not in that club. You have to fight me fair.Face to face.

I didn't shake anyone's hand.

What club are you in?

I'd actually find it hard to believe if there WASNT geometry in freemasonry. Mainly because masons were builder. You kind of have to be precise to build something or it'll fall down.

Ancient Freemasonry started with the builders. They had "magical knowledge" which turned out to be geometry. They used it to make perfect squares, circles, and well constructed buildings. The reason for the secrecy was to protect the builders ways. You had to prove yourself to be worthy of the knowledge, and also prove to be able to keep that knowledge to yourself so when you traveled as a Freemason, you could always find work. This was known as "operative" Freemasonry. We practice "speculative" Freemasonry. In that, we use the tools of the builders to link to allegory and symbolism in conveying stories and lessons. That was the initial intent on the secrecy. Today, we keep secrets to prove that we can be trusted among our brethren. So when a mason comes to another mason and asks that their conversation stay "on the level, or on the square", then it's understood that the mason parting with information wishes for that information to remain between the two brothers.

www.msana.com...

Yeah I know. My stepdad was a mason. So we're some friends. While I don't understand all of freemasonry, I know some based on research and what actual Freemasons have told me.

My only regret is never joining when I had the chance.

a reply to: intergalactic fire

I am a bit lazy and let spell checker do most of the typing.

I'm sorry the lack of R irritates you.

Siri.

originally posted by: childofapoet

Please read the above thread (Database) for some background knowledge. Or you will have no clue as to what I'm sharing or how I got there.

Most Masons are already well versed in symbolism - it's the byproduct of being a Mason. :-)

The compass and square.

I don't want to be fussy here, but it's getting the little things wrong that always betray one's ignorance. Masons never refer to 'the compass and square', but rather to 'the square and compasses'. It's a Mason thing and has to do with the way we learn ritual.

As we can see the compass (Female) is on top of the square. Indicating that the female is the Stronger of the sexes.

Only in that particular choice of picture. Have a look at your second picture - there, one point is on top, the other underneath. You can't make a conclusion when any combination of compasses/square on top is possible. In fact, each position of the square and compasses is found equally in Freemasonry, each layout having a different meaning.

And was created before Male.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

The square. It's square, it makes straight lines.

A square makes right angles.

Remember you cannot make a circle with a straight line.

You can - use one end as a pivot and rotate the line around the pivot to make a perfect circle.

But if the circle is big enough. You will get straight lines in the circle.

Don't all circles have straight lines? Called the diameter?

Side note: There are 33 degrees in Freemasonry.

What? There are only three degrees in Masonry!

Okay, I had better stop here before I need a stiff whiskey...

Looks like childofapoet was banned.

a reply to: KSigMason

He will be back again.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: KSigMason

He will be back again.

I wonder under what name, though i might have a clue. T....

That aside, a question for you Masons. Say some 'outsider' shows you a painting/drawing of any kind of religion which involves symbolism are you allowed to give information on this?
And also how would you know that you have the right interpretation of certain symbols(and the whole of a drawing), is there any discussion on this between Masons themselves?
Hope i formulated my question well enough.

originally posted by: intergalactic fire
Say some 'outsider' shows you a painting/drawing of any kind of religion which involves symbolism are you allowed to give information on this?

If I knew about it and could help you with it I would certainly discuss it with you if asked. There are no preclusions of having conversations like this.

And also how would you know that you have the right interpretation of certain symbols(and the whole of a drawing), is there any discussion on this between Masons themselves?
Hope i formulated my question well enough.

The Masonic symbols are covered in the Degrees so all Masons would have been given the Fraternity's explanation of them. You are then free to re-interpret them on your own or seek other meanings.

The easiest way to answer the question. What came first the chicken or the egg? Is to ask, what came before the egg?

SELF:
Seed
Egg
Life
Fruit/Flower.

Therefore surely the Egg? And the seed before that?

originally posted by: KSigMason

Looks like childofapoet was banned.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
He will be back again.

As promised:

originally posted by: PPFkid
The easiest way to answer the question. What came first the chicken or the egg? Is to ask, what came before the egg?

SELF:
Seed
Egg
Life
Fruit/Flower.

Therefore surely the Egg? And the seed before that?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Thanks. There are some drawings i'd like to discuss or have someones opinion on them, maybe i'll post them or in a private message. I wonder if there isn't any forum thread on specific drawings where people could share opinions?

If you say 'seek other meanings' does that mean there are also other meanings that aren't taught by the different orders or religions or classes?Does it depend on the origin maybe?

originally posted by: intergalactic fire
Thanks. There are some drawings i'd like to discuss or have someones opinion on them, maybe i'll post them or in a private message. I wonder if there isn't any forum thread on specific drawings where people could share opinions?

Start a thread in this forum, I would check it out.

If you say 'seek other meanings' does that mean there are also other meanings that aren't taught by the different orders or religions or classes?Does it depend on the origin maybe?

The Masonic meaning may differ from another groups usage of the same or similar symbol(s). Personal interpretation can also play a factor.