The Mayan Calendar Ends On June 2nd, 2016 (Gregorian) or May 20th, 2016 (Julian)

originally posted by: neutrinostargate

originally posted by: MrConspiracy
The Maya are fascinating. But never predicted the end of the world.

Rather the end of a cycle. What the ending of a cycle means, we don't really know. We know what they thought it meant but whether or not that was based on myths/faith or in reality...... I guess we'll never know. If something WAS meant to happen, they'd be severely disappointed had they not mysteriously vanished.

Those who discredit the Mayan calendar as "just a calendar" are wrong. I think it's sheer length and accuracy with the equinoxes is anything but ordinary. They clearly had a great knowledge of space, well beyond their apparent capabilities.

Not the end of the world. The start of a new cycle. What that means, I don't know. But looking around... if anything, the world iss going down hill with little signs of improvement so.... this age sucks.

The Mayans actually did believe in an "end of the world".

New Fire Ceremony Every 52 years Among the ancient Aztec people of what is now Mexico, the year was divided into 18 months of 20 days each, plus a five-day "unlucky" period. There was also a ritualistic period of 260 days, which was composed of 13 months with 20 named days in each month. When one cycle was superimposed on the other, it resulted in a "century" of 52 years. Although festivals were observed each month, the most impressive and important occurred at the end of the 52-year cycle, when people feared that the world would be destroyed. It was known as the New Fire Ceremony because the old altar fire was extinguished and a new one was lit, symbolizing the new lease on life that the dawn of a new cycle represented.

encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com...

But was It any different to many of us fearing the same in 2000? There's no real grounds for thinking this. Unless they had knowledge of something we don't know about. And regardless, if they did.... they'd have been wrong.

Im always open to prophecies and find them SO interesting. But the Mayan calendar predictions are confusing to say the least. That's the problem when things in antiquity are open to interpretation.

a reply to: neutrinostargate

here we go again - when this time comes and we still here its because we mis-read it again and will be December 2017.
i will make sure i dont iron my work shirt the night before to save time. If im alive still i will iron it in the morning.

a reply to: neutrinostargate

There are no cycles associated with the Long Count. As I've stated and shown the Long Count doesn't reset after 13 baktun. If 13 baktun were significant why are there 20 baktun in a piktun? Having the Long Count end and restart would completely defeat its purpose.

Also, what correlation are you using to get your date. There's a reason the December 21, 2012 was so widely believed. The GMT+1 correlation had the most data supporting it.

Would be something, after all the Mayan comotion in 2012, and everyone seems to be walking away from all this nonsense the world will be tackled from it foundation and everyone gets struck by suprise. ..

a reply to: neutrinostargate

How many flipping times will people push the supposed date back?
It was 12.21.12 it's over nothing happened, nothing is going to happen.
Just get over it, stop waiting for doom or salvation and get on with your life.

originally posted by: VforVendettea
a reply to: neutrinostargate

How many flipping times will people push the supposed date back?
It was 12.21.12 it's over nothing happened, nothing is going to happen.
Just get over it, stop waiting for doom or salvation and get on with your life.

Let me guess, you just saw the thread title, never read any of my research and then write that? Lol

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: neutrinostargate

There are no cycles associated with the Long Count. As I've stated and shown the Long Count doesn't reset after 13 baktun. If 13 baktun were significant why are there 20 baktun in a piktun? Having the Long Count end and restart would completely defeat its purpose.

Also, what correlation are you using to get your date. There's a reason the December 21, 2012 was so widely believed. The GMT+1 correlation had the most data supporting it.

No cycle with the long count? How do you explain that there are 52 years in a calendar round and in 5200 years, there are 100 calendar round cycles?

Yes, 12/21/12 is correct using the Gregorian solar year, and you would have read that if you actually read my research/ theory!

It is so widely believed because it uses the common Gregorian western solar calendar. And I have proven the Gregorian solar year is clearly wrong!

Why replace the mayan Haab solar year of 365 days and replace it with a solar Gregorian year of 365.2425 days created by the freaking Pope? Getting the true end date of the 13 Baktun doesn't work with the Gregorian but it does using the Haab, which should have been done originally.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: neutrinostargate

There are no cycles associated with the Long Count. As I've stated and shown the Long Count doesn't reset after 13 baktun. If 13 baktun were significant why are there 20 baktun in a piktun? Having the Long Count end and restart would completely defeat its purpose.

Also, what correlation are you using to get your date. There's a reason the December 21, 2012 was so widely believed. The GMT+1 correlation had the most data supporting it.

The Mayans used a 13:20 base number cycle. So yes, 13 baktuns is highly significant since it was used to figure out precession . 13 baktuns to 20 piktuns.
And 13 x 20 make up the Tzolkin cycle or 260 days.

a reply to: neutrinostargate

Clearly you haven't done research into how the correlations were constructed. Since the Long Count is just a continuous tally of days all we need to do is find occurrences where we can match up a Gregorian calendar date to a Long Count date and just count from there. Luckily there are a number of such examples. From documents that bear both dates to astronomical events that were witnessed and reported in both Mesoamerica and Europe.

Also there are 20 baktun in a piktun. All units in the Long Count are base 20. The only exception are winals. There are 18 winal in a tun. This was done because 18 winal is equivalent to 360 days. The same amount of days in the Mayan solar year minus the five unnamed days.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: neutrinostargate

Clearly you haven't done research into how the correlations were constructed. Since the Long Count is just a continuous tally of days all we need to do is find occurrences where we can match up a Gregorian calendar date to a Long Count date and just count from there. Luckily there are a number of such examples. From documents that bear both dates to astronomical events that were witnessed and reported in both Mesoamerica and Europe.

Also there are 20 baktun in a piktun. All units in the Long Count are base 20. The only exception are winals. There are 18 winal in a tun. This was done because 18 winal is equivalent to 360 days. The same amount of days in the Mayan solar year minus the five unnamed days.

Um I know this stuff. Nothing new. So what exactly are you saying? Lol Nothing you said disproves my accurate theory at all.

The Mayans didn't care much about a 20 piktun cycle. What they cared about was 5 cycles of 5128.767 years each or 5 13 baktun cycles.

a reply to: neutrinostargate

Well you said your date isn't based on any of the correlations because they didn't take the fact that the Haab is an even 365 days into account. But the Haab had no bearing on how the Gregorian calendar was correlated to the Long Count. So why would that discount something like the GMT+1 correlation and all the evidence supporting it?

Also, if the Maya placed such a strong importance on the end of the 13th baktun why is there only one inscription that mentions it? One inscription mind you that makes no reference to the precession or anything astronomical whatsoever.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: neutrinostargate

Well you said your date isn't based on any of the correlations because they didn't take the fact that the Haab is an even 365 days into account. But the Haab had no bearing on how the Gregorian calendar was correlated to the Long Count. So why would that discount something like the GMT+1 correlation and all the evidence supporting it?

Also, if the Maya placed such a strong importance on the end of the 13th baktun why is there only one inscription that mentions it? One inscription mind you that makes no reference to the precession or anything astronomical whatsoever.

Let me ask you this question first. What do you think is more accurate for precession, a 365 day solar year (Haab) or a Gregorian solar year of 365.2425 days?

I'm at a loss of words here, what the hell did I just read?

I'm assuming calendars?

Well, I don't use Gregorian much, I follow the Chinese Lunar Calendar lol... Ok I'm done..

If this is a thread about calendar accuracy... cool, move on. If it's about End of the World again, just like other posters have said... can't we do this until the election year is over?

a reply to: neutrinostargate

First off we need to acknowledge that by precession we mean precession of the equinoxes. Second, we need to acknowledge that we measure the precession on the spring equinox. Third, we need to acknowledge that the precession is a phenomenon that is based entirely on ancient people seeing shapes in the sky.

From there we can then look at this question as which calendar is better at identifying the equinox. Considering the Maya had to recalibrate the Haab on a number of occasions due to falling out of sync with the seasons we can conclude that the Gregorian calendar is more accurate at measuring a human devised phenomenon.

Awesome share Neutrino.

Saying that, what the # is up with people saying "screw your research, cuz the world isn't gonna end!". NOTHING in what this guy posted ever said anything about the end of the world. He's talking about data basically. He never said something is gonna happen at the end, except that that calendar cycle or whatever will end, in the most literal sense. This is YOUR guys's problem, not his. YOU are the ones connecting it with end-world crap, not Neutrino.

Not really. He has hinted that he is indeed tying in "end of days" or some such nonsense into his research:

I guess we shall soon see what the hell happens around June 2nd, 2016

and..

Well I am laying it out there. People can fear it, or find it rather exciting as it correlates with it being related to Revelation and Jesus return (whether it is physical or some other manner or sign). We have about 3 more months to find out.

Obviously he is trying to tie in some occurrence that will happen at the "end of the Mayan calendar."

Almost certainly, had the Mayans carried on and still been using their calendar in opposition to the rest of the world, the cycle would have ended, and the 13th cycle or perhaps a new one would have started. They would have built a few monuments to commemorate the occasion, and on they would have went. I'll grant their timekeeping methods were amazing, but.. that's it. Why anyone would think they would have some secret knowledge of what would transpire centuries later is baffling. Do we with our current much advanced knowledge, have secret info on what will happen in say, 480 years from now? No.. we don't. And they certainly did not either. I just grow weary of the doom-porn, and the incessant desire by many for something tragic to occur, based on absolutely no facts, whatsoever.

Glad I struck out with you because you sound like a imbecile fleabit. Now don't read this thread or my research since you don't like this subject apparently for that matter and get lost.

Your attitude struck out with me. I think you believe your personal research into this subject matter somehow makes you superior to those who haven't bothered to take the time to do so. Obviously you are no scientist. Just a condescending fellow who think a bit much of all the wasted time he spent researching a pointless subject. P.S. I'll read whatever I want here.. you are not the boss of this site, or even your own thread. ; )

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: neutrinostargate

First off we need to acknowledge that by precession we mean precession of the equinoxes. Second, we need to acknowledge that we measure the precession on the spring equinox. Third, we need to acknowledge that the precession is a phenomenon that is based entirely on ancient people seeing shapes in the sky.

From there we can then look at this question as which calendar is better at identifying the equinox. Considering the Maya had to recalibrate the Haab on a number of occasions due to falling out of sync with the seasons we can conclude that the Gregorian calendar is more accurate at measuring a human devised phenomenon.

What do you mean the Mayans had to re calibrate the Haab on a number of occasions due to the falling out of sync with the seasons? Where in the world did you get that? That is wrong!

Mayas' Missing Leap Year The ancient Maya, famed for their elaborate and accurate calendar systems, observed two calendar years, but neither seemed to have bothered with a leap year. "As far as we know, the people of Mesoamerica, the Maya included, didn't care about leap years," said Anthony Aveni, an expert in ancient Mesoamerican astronomy at Colgate University. The Maya solar year of 365 days was central to the agricultural cycle, while their ritual year of 260 days was critical for determining auspicious dates. These calendars were carefully designed to synchronize in 52-year cycles, but no effort was made to prevent "drifting" dates. "They didn't care if they didn't have a white Christmas, or if their Fourth of July wasn't in the summer, to put it in our terms," Aveni explained. The Maya instead placed priority on marking the passage of time through additional calendar systems such as the Long Count, which unfolds on a cycle more than 5,000 years long. "Our philosophy about leap year is a complicated scheme to make the seasons jibe with the calendar," Aveni said. "They were more concerned that time should be unbroken, not interfered with, and that the count of time should have continuity," he said.

news.nationalgeographic.com...

I already clearly explained if you actually read it, that the Gregorian calendar doesn't accurately line up with precession correctly?

How do you think the Mayans got to 1,872,000 days or 5128.767 years? That is how they figured precession. 5 x 5128.767 years = 25644 years. Take 5200 years - 5128.767 years = 71.233 years or 1 degree per 71.233 years. 360 degrees x 71.233 = 25,644 years.

If you compute it by the Gregorian solar year. 1,872,000 days/365.2425 solar days = 5125.36 years.

5200 years - 5125.36 years = 74.64 years per 1 degree. 74.64 years x 360 degrees = 26,870 years which is not even remotely close to precessional years.

a reply to: fleabit

You said you don't' want me to post any more information or more education of this subject for that matter. And you think it is a wasted theory and a pointless subject as such. So why are you still reading it and commenting? LOL

I am sharing my research. I am spending my time posting it for others to read and contemplate. Oh, that is right, you think I am trying to sell some book. LOL

Oh maybe if I said I was some "scientist" you would take the subject matter more seriously?

And your Mayan attempt of an explanation didn't make any sense.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: neutrinostargate

Well you said your date isn't based on any of the correlations because they didn't take the fact that the Haab is an even 365 days into account. But the Haab had no bearing on how the Gregorian calendar was correlated to the Long Count. So why would that discount something like the GMT+1 correlation and all the evidence supporting it?

Also, if the Maya placed such a strong importance on the end of the 13th baktun why is there only one inscription that mentions it? One inscription mind you that makes no reference to the precession or anything astronomical whatsoever.

I am not discounting the GMT+1 correlation at at all. That is how is how they arrived at the beginning date of August 11th, 3114 BC.

mayan-calendar.com...

What is wrong is the end date.

3114 BC plus 5125.36 years = Dec 2012

3114 BC plus 5128.767 years = June 2016

You tell me, why are they mentioning (below) 5128 years and then mentioning Dec. 21st, 2012 as the end? Interesting isn't? 5128 years from 3114 BC doesn't even add up to Dec 2012 but 5125 years does.

The Maya are often credited as the first people to establish a chronological record of dates beginning with a fixed day in the distant past from which to number each day uniquely. They identified the beginning of recorded time as the date when they believed the world last came to an end and was recreated anew. They believed this occurred at the close of a Great Cycle of 13 baktuns (1,872,000 Kins). Thus their “chronological count,” called the Long Count, is really another cycle, this one of 5,128 years. The end of the current Great Cycle is approaching soon, due on the Winter Solstice, December 21, 2012.

www.maa.org...

You said you don't' want me to post any more information or more education of this subject for that matter. And you think it is a wasted theory and a pointless subject as such. So why are you still reading it and commenting? LOL

Because I enjoy combating stupidity whenever I can. And I am not commenting about you personally - don't take it as an insult. I won't insult you personally, even though you seem to enjoy insulting others. I think the entire premise that the Mayans or any ancient civilization would somehow have advanced knowledge of future events, is ridiculous.

Consider this: if it really started around 3k BC, they would have had to at that time, predicted a supposed event ending at this particular cycle. So some 5 thousands years prior, they predicted some tragic, religious, or world-ending event?

If the topic was solely about the end of a cycle of a calendar.. ok, cool. But you seem to be linking it to an event that you "hope doesn't happen." I will post about that, because heck.. who knows when we can prevent another group of brain-washed people from putting on new sneakers and killing themselves to hitch a ride on a comet.

Here it is again,

"For the last few decades there has been a lot of interest in the date December 21, 2012. This date is claimed to mark the end of a period of time found in the Maya Calendar, called the Great Cycle. This Maya era is believed by some to have started on August 11, 3112 BC, and to last 5128 years, ending on December 21, 2012."

And then it further states,

13 baktuns = 1 Great Cycle 1,872,000 days / 365 = approx. 5128 years

www.theosophy-nw.org...

Well 5128 years from August 11th, 3114 BC is clearly not Dec. 21st, 2012.

As I have shown, it is June 2nd, 2016 (Gregorian) or May 20th, 2016 (Julian)