Survival: Self-Defence using Wing Chun

I have been following this guy on Youtube who teaches Win Chun self-defence. I think these skills are invaluable, especially if the SHTF at some point. Some of you may say well its no use if they have a gun. Scroll to the end of the OP, he covers this as well.

Win Chun is a concept-based Chinese martial art and form of self-defence utilising both striking and grappling while specialising in close-range combat
Wikipedia

He has recorded many videos. I have picked out my favourites. Colourful language and a sense of humour makes these quite enjoyable to watch. I have learned some new skills as well.

Viewer Discretion Some of the following videos are raw and contain swearing. If you are interested in minimal response and then running away then these videos are not for you. The intention is not just self-defence, its ensuring the attacker either stays down or flees. (the reason I put them in the survival forum).















how to defend against a knife

how to Defence against a stick

how to defend against a gun

a reply to: Morrad

I love master wong he's frigging hilarious. There's one video he does where his technique for taking on a guy with a knife is to flop on the floor and kick his ankles.

Wing Chun will be awesome in any survival situation where you want to die. I'd advise learning it if you just want to meet cool people and get a workout but on its own it's fairly useless.

originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015
I love master wong he's frigging hilarious.

I watched a couple of those and the link to "how to defend against a gun". That is one dude with serious anger management issues. LOL

Wing Chun will be awesome in any survival situation where you want to die. I'd advise learning it if you just want to meet cool people and get a workout but on its own it's fairly useless.

Agreed

Bruce Lee also learned Wing Chun by the way for anyone doesn't know!

& anyone interested in Wing Chun should watch the IP Man movies

I used to do bits of this in a mixed class when I was younger. We mainly used the chain punches to train for speed. It's not a very natural or comfortable style, but it's fluid and has it's uses.

Thanks for the feedback guys. I have never been in a situation where I had to fight back. I think his videos taught me about staying calm, being focussed, correct balance and how to fight back more effectively,

Some of his techniques would get you a prison sentence in the UK. Saying that, when the adrenaline is at full throttle and its fight or flight, how are you supposed to remain level headed and use minimal force? What do you guys recommend for a beginner? I am really motivated to join a club.

a reply to: Morrad

It has its uses and is a decent close combat striking technique.

I am a judo, sambo, bjj guy and can say I have had no problem with all kinds of stand up guys who have "magic death punches" and such.

To me grappling allows you to go full out in tournaments which is invaluable to learning how people really react and what works and doesn't. When I was younger I was very serious at competing and was also probably the only 5'9" 155lb bouncer in Austin.

This is what it looks like when kung fu guys take on grapplers.
m.youtube.com... to crap on your jam. Wing chun has some very useful moves.

a reply to: Morrad

I dont wanna recommend a specific style because it'll devolve into a who's style is better argument but I'd advise to stay away from aikido and wing chun if you want practical knowledge.

Any school where they encourage full contact sparring as part of the curriculum will be good as will anywhere that brings in people of other styles from outside to train against. If an instructor is good he'll constantly be tweaking what he teaches based on what is and isn't effective and will encourage difficult questions.

You can't really stop adrenaline, you can get used to it and learn to keep thinking while you're under the effects instead of just going into a blind rage/panic. Sparring is hugely beneficial for that.

a reply to: MagnaCarta2015

Well said. I think Kali and escrima are very good general self defence methods if that is your goal. The grappling club I was part of used everything from Cornish wrestling to BJJ to Mongolian wrestling. Complete with the rediculous uniforms. Even the diapers from sumo when we did that.

a reply to: Morrad

Thanks to the Python team

Colonel (Graham Chapman): Right. Carry on Sergeant Major!

Sergeant (John Cleese, shouting throughout): Right sir! Good evening, class.

All (mumbling): Good evening.

Sargeant: Where's all the others, then?

All: They're not here.

Sgt.: I can see that. What's the matter with them?

All: Dunno.

Chapman (member of class): Perhaps they've got 'flu.

Sgt.: Huh! 'Flu, eh? They should eat more fresh fruit. Ha. Right. Now, self-defence. Tonight I shall be carrying on from where we got to last week when I was showing you how to defend yourselves against anyone who attacks you with armed with a piece of fresh fruit.

(Grumbles from all)

Palin: Oh, you promised you wouldn't do fruit this week.

Sgt.: What do you mean?

Jones: We've done fruit the last nine weeks.

Sgt.: What's wrong with fruit? You think you know it all, eh?

Palin: Can't we do something else for a change?

Idle (Welsh): Like someone who attacks you with a pointed stick?

Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit. When your assailant lunges at you with a passion fruit...

All: We done the passion fruit.

Sgt.: What?

Chapman: We done the passion fruit.

Palin: We done oranges, apples, grapefruit...

Jones: Whole and segments.

Palin: Pomegranates, greengages...

Chapman: Grapes, passion fruit...

Palin: Lemons...

Jones: Plums...

Chapman: Mangoes in syrup...

Sgt.: How about cherries?

All: We did them.

Sgt.: Red *and* black?

All: Yes!

Sgt.: All right then, bananas.

(All sigh.)

Sgt.: We haven't done them, have we? Right. Bananas. How to defend yourself against a man armed with a banana. Now you, come at me with this banana. Catch! Now, it's quite simple to defend yourself against a man armed with a banana. First of all you force him to drop the banana; then, second, you eat the banana, thus disarming him. You have now rendered him 'elpless.

Palin: Suppose he's got a bunch?

Sgt.: Shut up.

Idle: Suppose he's got a pointed stick?

Sgt.: Shut up. Right now you, Mr Apricot.

Chapman: 'Arrison.

Sgt.: Sorry, Mr. 'Arrison. Come at me with that banana. Hold it like that, that's it. Now attack me with it. Come on! Come on! Come at me! Come at me then! (Shoots him.)

Chapman: Aaagh! (dies.)

Sgt.: Now, I eat the banana. (Does so.)

Palin: You shot him!

Jones: He's dead!

Idle: He's completely dead!

Sgt.: I have now eaten the banana. The deceased, Mr Apricot, is now 'elpless.

Palin: You shot him. You shot him dead.

Sgt.: Well, he was attacking me with a banana.

Jones: But you told him to.

Sgt.: Look, I'm only doing me job. I have to show you how to defend yourselves against fresh fruit.

Idle: And pointed sticks.

Sgt.: Shut up.

Palin: Suppose I'm attacked by a man with a banana and I haven't got a gun?

Sgt.: Run for it.

Jones: You could stand and scream for help.

Sgt.: Yeah, you try that with a pineapple down your windpipe.

Jones: A pineapple?

Sgt.: Where? Where?

Jones: No I just said: a pineapple.

Sgt.: Oh. Phew. I thought my number was on that one.

Jones: What, on the pineapple?

Sgt.: Where? Where?

Jones: No, I was just repeating it.

Sgt.: Oh. Oh. I see. Right. Phew. Right that's bananas then. Now the raspberry. There we are. 'Armless looking thing, isn't it? Now you, Mr Tin Peach.

Jones: Thompson.

Sgt.: Thompson. Come at me with that raspberry. Come on. Be as vicious as you like with it.

Jones: No.

Sgt.: Why not?

Jones: You'll shoot me.

Sgt.: I won't.

Jones: You shot Mr. Harrison.

Sgt.: That was self-defence. Now come on. I promise I won't shoot you.

Idle: You promised you'd tell us about pointed sticks.

Sgt.: Shut up. Come on, brandish that raspberry. Come at me with it. Give me Hell.

Jones: Throw the gun away.

Sgt.: I haven't got a gun.

Jones: You have.

Sgt.: Haven't.

Jones: You shot Mr 'Arrison with it.

Sgt.: Oh, that gun.

Jones: Throw it away.

Sgt.: Oh all right. How to defend yourself against a raspberry -- without a gun.

Jones: You were going to shoot me!

Sgt.: I wasn't.

Jones: You were!

Sgt.: No, I wasn't, I wasn't. Come on then. Come at me. Come on you weed! You weed, do your worst! Come on, you puny little man. You weed...

(Sgt. pulls a lever in the wall--CRASH! a 16-ton weight falls on Jones)

Jones: Aaagh.

Sgt.: If anyone ever attacks you with a raspberry, just pull the lever and the 16-ton weight will fall on top of him.

Palin: Suppose there isn't a 16-ton weight?

Sgt.: Well that's planning, isn't it? Forethought.

Palin: Well how many 16-ton weights are there?

Sgt.: Look, look, look, Mr Knowall. The 16-ton weight is just _one way_ of dealing with a raspberry killer. There are millions of others!

Idle: Like what?

Sgt.: Shootin' him?

Palin: Well what if you haven't got a gun or a 16-ton weight?

Sgt.: Look, look. All right, smarty-pants. You two, you two, come at me then with raspberries. Come on, both of you, whole basket each.

Palin: No guns.

Sgt.: No.

Palin: No 16-ton weights.

Sgt.: No.

Idle: No pointed sticks.

Sgt.: Shut up.

Palin: No rocks up in the ceiling.

Sgt.: No.

Palin: And you won't kill us.

Sgt.: I won't.

Palin: Promise.

Sgt.: I promise I won't kill you. Now. Are you going to attack me?

Palin and Idle: Oh, all right.

Sgt.: Right, now don't rush me this time. Stalk me. Do it properly. Stalk me. I'll turn me back. Stalk up behind me, close behind me, then in with the redcurrants! Right? O.K. start moving. Now the first thing to do when you're being stalked by an ugly mob with redcurrants is to -- release the tiger!

(He does so. Growls. Screams.)

Sgt.: The great advantage of the tiger in unarmed combat is that he eats not only the fruit-laden foe but also the redcurrants. Tigers however do not relish the peach. The peach assailant should be attacked with a crocodile. Right, now, the rest of you, where are you? I know you're hiding somewhere with your damsons and prunes. Well I'm ready for you. I've wired meself up to 200 tons of gelignite, and if any one of you so much as makes a move we'll all go up together! Right, right. I warned you. That's it...

(Explosion.)

a reply to: Morrad

I reckon JKD is worth a look, it spun from Wing Chun but it's much more practical. It's more likely to save your cheeks on the street than Wing Chun, IMO. Finding a class would probably be easier too. It's strike heavy, so I'm not sure about minimal force, but a good instructor of any art will teach control.

Wing chun is a good style. I've taken it along with several others. Let's you fight in close where others aren't comfortable and stresses elbows and knees which don't break when you strike with them. As for grappling .... There are no holds barred competitions in china, and grappling never works because anytime someone tries to grapple the other person just grabs and breaks their fingers. This doesn't happen in ufc because small joint locks are banned, but against trained opponents with no rules its an instant go to.

Wing chum is a nice style I'm a handsy kind of person

But for me I'm a jujitsu and kravmaga type of guy...fast , hard, and lethal

In the end tho it only matters what you have the ability to apply in a situation where it comes down to brass tacks

a reply to: MagnaCarta2015

Wing Chun will be awesome in any survival situation where you want to die. I'd advise learning it if you just want to meet cool people and get a workout but on its own it's fairly useless.

Not according to the movies it isnt,.......warning extreme violence...



In all seriousness though i do not agree it is useless, my old instructor was a weapon and would easily take down 3 or 4 guys single handed and done quickly like the clip i embedded

originally posted by: Morrad
Thanks for the feedback guys. I have never been in a situation where I had to fight back. I think his videos taught me about staying calm, being focussed, correct balance and how to fight back more effectively,

Some of his techniques would get you a prison sentence in the UK. Saying that, when the adrenaline is at full throttle and its fight or flight, how are you supposed to remain level headed and use minimal force? What do you guys recommend for a beginner? I am really motivated to join a club.

Boxing.
Jiu Jitsu.

originally posted by: RoadCourse

originally posted by: Morrad
Thanks for the feedback guys. I have never been in a situation where I had to fight back. I think his videos taught me about staying calm, being focussed, correct balance and how to fight back more effectively,

Some of his techniques would get you a prison sentence in the UK. Saying that, when the adrenaline is at full throttle and its fight or flight, how are you supposed to remain level headed and use minimal force? What do you guys recommend for a beginner? I am really motivated to join a club.

Boxing.
Jiu Jitsu.

That. We trained mainly Wally Jay small circle and boxing that wouldn't have passed muster for dirty moves.

Later they added in some really nice aiki-jutsu sequential joint lock stuff that went with the jujitsu but with less spiritual bs added. Aikido IMHO tends to degenerate into Asian Dance, although I imagine it would be really good for balance training.

Honestly any style is good. They are all about learning how to use your body, and if you master any one style you can master the others as well. As an above poster said, any class with actual sparring will help and with one year you'll be far ahead of anybody you'll meet on the street or in a bar trying to jump you.

Actually wing chun is pretty effective as mentioned by others here it is a close quarter fighting system.

Best form of martial arts? Blimey that's tough but perfect blend would be

Boxing-great punching power and stamina training and get used to taking a punch so it won't phase you when you get hit outside of training

TKD- kicking,general choi wrote the book on kicking tech not the Olympic style but the military ITF style

Aikido-don't knock it till you try it! Gives you a strong core and seriously hurts when it's applied no matter what size and strength the person is who is using it on you

Basically boxing,kicking and locking

Forgot to say the octogen isn't real life,grappling is great one on one but no way would I go to the floor with an opponent outside the training hall :-/

These days there is more likely to be more than one trouble maker in the group and taking someone to the floor would result in their friends soccer kicking your head to causality and they don't need years of training to do that :-/

A boxer would handle more than one opponents better as well as traditional martial arts

I know a lau gar kick boxer who was attacked by 3 men and beat them killing one in the process,if he rolled about on the floor he wouldn't be here today

a reply to: Morrad

master wong!!! "dis is da pwoblem!!"

even though hes studied and teaches legit what looks to be Pan Nam Foshun Style Wing Chin I can never tell if he's being serious or making farce with his videos. I like to play a drinking game with his videos, i chug every time he says "dis is da pwoblem!"

as for good wing chun, the ip man movies are fun n all but have next to no resemblance too real life or ip man's life either. but they are fun movies. personally, I think ip man did as much harm as he did good with his obsession with center line theory. Hong Kong wing chun, in my opinion due to that obsession, begins to loose bridging techniques to close the distance that remain with the mainland older version. it also doesn't address weapons well. a wing chun man is getting stabbed if he sticks to his stance and structure and doesn't get off the centerline and keep pressure on the assailants weapon.

as for aikido. akidos gone all new age anD weird. it's origins are based off thevfootwork and deflecting patterns of iaido (Japanese live blade techniques, different from kendo) they should get back into its roots and stop babbling about harmony and peace with your opponents. pakua has the same bs going on with it too, although it's origens are very different.

here's a guy who still does aikido with the right attitude.

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I agree with the poster who mentioned Kali. A good school of Kali that really well rounded is the Inosoto/LaCoste Blend. it's basically dirty western boxing with a bunch of silat elbows and limb destruction (scissoring movements to smash up the arms known as guntings) mixed with jujitsu that's called dumog. lots of painful lock flows like the Egyptian, the Octopus and the Cheiftan. Mix that with a foundation of Kali Sayoc or Pikiti Tirsia to get a solid understanding of how to deal with edge and impact weapons.

inosanto/LaCoste Blend example.
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example of Kali vs western boxing. you can see how it takes a western boxing foundation and adds the more combative and dirty elements to it.

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