Millennials Pick Socialism Over Capitalism

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Another ridiculous comment.

Now your assuming that that thought pattern eventually leads to genocide?

Socialism is modern Americas big bad wolf.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

People like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot depended on the population thinking like this to achieve power.

That's not entirely correct.

Those leaders came to power in times of revolution, starvation, and hardship. How and what the population was "thinking" was of little or no consequence.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

It is fairly new... Can you pinpoint the first instance of democratic socialism?

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Teikiatsu

I don't think all their perspectives are flawed and naive. Some of them sure, but all of them? No.

if you haven't noticed they are politically active.

I would say chalking up an entire generations point of view to naive... Is rather obtuse.

By 'they' I am referring to the useful idiots who think 'democratic socialism' is new and innovative.

They must understand that by the early 80s, of the last century, teaching and exposing young freshman college students to socialism was in full swing.

originally posted by: Baddogma
It also should be mentioned, again, that nobody is talking about a pure socialistic system, but rather a base from which the usual capitalistic climb can occur... just a more balanced mix, and strangely, in a way, it's a rather conservative impulse, yearning for the days when equality was more enforced. Heh.

The inherent problem with your "base" is that the more of a burden you place on the usual climb, the harder it will be to make that climb. The harder it is to make that climb, the less likely people will be to make it and the less opportunity there will be for people to get on it even if they want to attempt it.

You remove from the one to provide for the other and those who stay with the other make it necessary to again burden the first to provide for the second. It is a vicious cycle of the provided for parasitizing off of the providers. There simply is no escaping that one simple fact of mathematics. The base goods do not magically grow on trees or appear out of thin air after all.

It would be like saying that everyone should have a basic number of tomatoes but no one should have to be forced to grow them. Think about that for a second and you tell me how that economy would work. It wouldn't very well is the simple answer. Sure everyone has a right to a basic number of tomatoes, but you rely of those who actually do the work of growing them to make up that quota for all, including themselves. Once enough people figure they don't have to bother with actually growing their tomatoes to get them, your math eventually does not work unless you move into a tyranny where people are compelled through the agency of the state to grow tomatoes to provide that quota.

This is the second part of Marx no one talks about - He who does not work shall not eat. This point is even addressed in the Bible.

a reply to: Logarock

With the entire worlds economy in failure and the entire world experiencing massive political strife a more inclusive system is inevitable and it's on the near horizon.

Fight it all you want.

originally posted by: Logarock

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Teikiatsu

I don't think all their perspectives are flawed and naive. Some of them sure, but all of them? No.

if you haven't noticed they are politically active.

I would say chalking up an entire generations point of view to naive... Is rather obtuse.

By 'they' I am referring to the useful idiots who think 'democratic socialism' is new and innovative.

They must understand that by the early 80s, of the last century, teaching and exposing young freshman college students to socialism was in full swing.

I've heard this talking point before, but have never seen anyone provide evidence that colleges or universities were actively "exposing" students to socialism, except in regards to studies on history and economics.

I think this is nothing more than rhetoric and talking points.

a reply to: ketsuko

Your forgetting to point out that we easily have the production capacity to produce all of the earths goods with renewable resources.

No one has ever said it's going to produce itself that's another strawman.

a reply to: onequestion

But you want a basic provided income. To have something provided, it implies that you do nothing in return for it.

So you could sit on your butt in your basement, do nothing and still get a "basic" income, food, clothing, shelter. This means you put in nothing of your own in turn. (You don't grow any of your own tomatoes)

That math does not work out no matter how you try to deny it.

You consume, but you do not provide anything of your own. It is the ultimate materialistic impulse to receive forever without having to give in return.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Teikiatsu

Another ridiculous comment.

Now your assuming that that thought pattern eventually leads to genocide?

Socialism is modern Americas big bad wolf.

No, I am saying that thought pattern leads to handing over personal sovereignty to central planning. If I wanted to imply genocide I would have included Hitler.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Teikiatsu

It is fairly new... Can you pinpoint the first instance of democratic socialism?

If you don't mind me jumping I here, democratic socialism was first pushed hard in the american secondary educational system by 1980. It simply means that it socialism accomplished through the democratic process. Which in the US brand simply means if enough socialists are elected to congress that socialism can then be instituted through the making of laws ect. The passing of the AHCA was a great example in this country.

But they don't tell you about how, once socialism is reached through the democratic process, that they use their power to eviscerate the opposition in hundreds of way......like using IRS as oppressive tool ect.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Teikiatsu

It is fairly new... Can you pinpoint the first instance of democratic socialism?

Communism. Tell the people they have the power to control the economy, wages and productivity.

New name, same failure.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Teikiatsu

Another ridiculous comment.

Now your assuming that that thought pattern eventually leads to genocide?

Socialism is modern Americas big bad wolf.

No, I am saying that thought pattern leads to handing over personal sovereignty to central planning. If I wanted to imply genocide I would have included Hitler.

You can include Russia/USSR and the gulag system.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Logarock

With the entire worlds economy in failure and the entire world experiencing massive political strife a more inclusive system is inevitable and it's on the near horizon.

Fight it all you want.

You don't want to see that fight.

a reply to: ketsuko

That's right. It doesn't take 7 billion people working to produce 7 billion people's worth of goods. It's called machines and automation, were already there and have been there. There already isn't enough work for everyone and it's getting worse and worse.

The math does workout because we have total control over the economy and there are many ways to problem solve the issue of work. People can work in 3 month rotations and participate in smaller capitalistic economies to achieve other goals and to stay motivated to innovate.

Wake up the economy of the world and the situation around you. Drive to any major metropolitan area and tell me there isn't an obvious problem.

I'm sorry you can't see past your own experience with the economy but it's not working for the masses and this system WILL happen. It will happen in our lifetime.

a reply to: Teikiatsu
a reply to: Logarock

I really have to question if you guys know what you are talking about, or if you are just spitting-out the overused rhetoric and hyperbole you have been exposed to.

This can be seen in the incorrect and ignorant jump from democratic socialism to full-blown communism.

It's absurd.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Your answer to pinpointing the first democratic socialism is communism?

That's complete nonsense.

Did you think that through?

And I'm not worried about your fight there's already tens of millions of Americans struggling to put food on the table.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Logarock

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Teikiatsu

I don't think all their perspectives are flawed and naive. Some of them sure, but all of them? No.

if you haven't noticed they are politically active.

I would say chalking up an entire generations point of view to naive... Is rather obtuse.

By 'they' I am referring to the useful idiots who think 'democratic socialism' is new and innovative.

They must understand that by the early 80s, of the last century, teaching and exposing young freshman college students to socialism was in full swing.

I've heard this talking point before, but have never seen anyone provide evidence that colleges or universities were actively "exposing" students to socialism, except in regards to studies on history and economics.

I think this is nothing more than rhetoric and talking points.

But you really wouldn't know would you? I know it is aggravation to find out you may be the latest dupe sold a bill of goods as something new and exclusive for your generation ect.

a reply to: introvert

I have to be honest I laughed out loud and rolled my eyes when I read that comment.

The latest influx of members has been a doozy.

a reply to: Logarock

Another mindless talking point that is based on nothing.

How do you know how old we are, and who is saying this is new?

Maybe we just see the writing on the wall and we aren't afraid of the future.