Millennials Pick Socialism Over Capitalism

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: amazing

If you say so.

Who is John Galt.

Couldn't tell you. Never heard of John Galt.

Show me how America is doing bad. There will always be some down trending economic indicators, but over all we're doing pretty good and have been for the past 8 years. Overall I'm talking about.

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

The OP is correct. The USA will be #40 or #50 by the end of the Millennial generation. So predictable.

Millennials chose guessing and sob stories to determine their politics, instead of evidence and A-B studies to decide what their policies will be. We are all doomed. Obviously the drug war would have ended immediately after the experiments of other countries to decriminalize drugs were highly successful. There are evidence and statistics that predict what will happen as a result of the US switching over to socialism, and the USSR offers the best preview of that. They were communist, but they were also socialist to a greater extend than they were communist.

The proof is in. Socialism fails but capitalism succeeds. So naturally the millennials choose socialism. Government around the world will collapse.

Capitalism is simply the right for us to own things. Socialism is stealing other peoples stuff and re-distributing it. The only business regulation that helps is a low cost civil court system for people who are victims of fraud. That is all that is needed for a highly successful ecomomy that is good for poor people and wealthy people alike.o are victims of fraud. That is all that is needed for a highly successful ecomomy that is good for poor people and wealthy people alike.

I like evidence for my politics. Socialists, not so much.

originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
a reply to: DBCowboy

Not if they grind you up and turn you into food.

#SoylentGrey

SoylentGrey, it's made of people.

But no one you liked.

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

Time for change? For real this time?

And the Millennials fell for that the last 2 elections. See where it got us? What makes them think this time will be different? Oh, I forgot, It's Bernie!.
But, you can't point out to them that all that precious tech they enjoy, the IPhones, IPads and instant massive data at hand, music, is what Capitalism brought them. Nope. Don't care about the tax hikes that are coning to fund Bernie's plans, because they don't pay taxes. And they won't have to get a job, cause Bernie's all about the free stuff. So was Obama.
How'd that work out?

originally posted by: EternalSolace
I've said countless times, there's only three things that should be socialized. Shelter, food, and water. For the United States specifically, there's enough tax money collected in the HUD budget alone to end those three issues within a year.

Pure socialism is unsustainable. Pure capitalism abandons the weak in our community. There's got to be a balance.

It's idiotic and selfish for them to think we shouldn't be working together to accomplish these goals.

The earths resources simply will not allow for a world of Individuals unwilling to make a commitment to a sustainable future

There's a common theme the people who are worshipping capitalism as some sort of end all be all God to economy...

Me me me, what about me.

originally posted by: Annee
How is this different then the anti-establishment of 60s/70s?

And just know the political movement and drug culture may have erupted at the same time and general area --- but, were separate.

It isn't any different at all.

The milliennials are just rehashing the worst clueless social traits of the early Boomers while thinking they are enlightened and relevant.

The last gasp from the hippie-boomers who apparently managed to skip their own children in order to indoctrinate their grandchildren to carry the peace sign and flower decorated banner of 'youth'....and yes, socialism.

Maybe it is as simple as the growing realization, due to social media, perhaps, that government's ONLY purpose is (should be) to serve the people it governs, and not in a "for dinner " sense of served as has been happening here in the States... and not serving just the few handing out goodies, but everyone in the "we're only as good as the least of us and we are all, truly, in this together" sense...

the right chuckles and clucks about how the disenfranchised 'just want free stuff' when most of those folks chuckling have been squeezed along with the rest of us.

True, some folks work harder and are smarter than others... and that smartness should show the wisdom that it is then the duty of the gifted to help those with less abilities, less education and less cronies.

The idea that 'we are only as good as the least in a society' is likely the smartest social observation made. I can't think of a better effort than trying to make the poorest of us have an enviable lifestyle, as that leads to everyone benefiting.

Blah, blah... it is odd that the most obvious, true, benevolent ideas can be ignored due to fear... and that the very things generating that fear could be alleviated by embracing the 'scary,' solutions.

a reply to: Baddogma

True, some folks work harder and are smarter than others... and that smartness should show the wisdom that it is then the duty of the gifted to help those with less abilities, less education and less cronies.

It is one thing to help when and where you can. It is another thing entirely to have such confiscatory burdens placed on you by the government that you are basically a slave to the less well off, and then you are demonized in the bargain, not thanked.

Nevermind that we lose a significant portion of our yearly income to taxes, we are also hated because we are privileged to do this and have somehow succeeded unfairly because we busted our butts and got our educations and did the hard work of developing productive careers of one kind of another. And because of that, you take what we have and spit on us for being greedy and unfair (nevermind racist and a host of other epithets).

And you wonder why we are so unwilling? Maybe it's because you have no sense of when you should be grateful or approach the idea with humility instead of demanding it as your due as though you were the ones who put in 50 to 60 hour work weeks with 2 hours/day of commute time to get where you are.

a reply to: ketsuko



Standing Ovation.

a reply to: ketsuko

What do you propose the 50 million people on food stamps do?

Don't say work harder either because you know it doesn't work like that.

Concrete solutions only.

a reply to: ketsuko
Instead of creating false models of valueless enemies asking for your stuff, or thinking "they" do not appreciate the very hard work most put into building this civilization, the poor most of all, btw, ask yourself why you are so bitter, afraid and unwilling to consider an alternative, kinder way?

The ideas gestating are not to force the most affluent to give up all their "hard won" pillage, but to merely raise us ALL up and give us a base security to work from...

I stand in my assessment that those most against increased benefits to all tiers of society (and all tiers WILL benefit in time) are guarding their hoard against phantasms.

The idea is that we ALL benefit... but I'm used to the reactions against these obviously, self evident ideas... same ol' same ol'.

Okay, you won... I got mine now, actually, so I'll settle like every other old fart who got theirs and hates on the "idiots" out there (waves vaguely at the South side of town).

originally posted by: neo96
Just reaffirms my belief the under 35 crowd really doesn't have a clue.

I guess they refuse to grow up.

What's next ?

They want government to change their diapers for them too?

Hey, your generation raised ours..... just sayin

Dont know if it has been said but the correlation is skewed to make capitalism the case for the cause, when around 15 countries have become socialist in the last 30 years... correlation does not equal cause and effect. This is why all of this sort of thing keeps getting revisited over and over... sugar is good now its bad sugar is good now its bad... cherry picking results for the slant you want is easy... and its called agenda and the supporters of such agendas hoping people bite the correlation as the cause or reason by the skewed data that does not support the effect... in hopes that those already supporting the agenda continue, and those not or dont become swayed to that side... it is a dirty trick perpetuated quite often as an effort to control for various reasons the typical reason money or ding ding capitalism.

I got mine now, actually, so I'll settle like every other old fart who got theirs and hates on the "idiots" out there

Yes, there are a hell of a lot of old people out there who have been living off fat benefits for decades and now they want to cut off everything for everyone else and call them bums.

The truth is that the millennials see reality instead of blind ideology like Republicans and seniors. They see that capitalism has become so corrupt that it ruins millions of peoples' lives, so why should they support it just because people who have a financial stake in the system put out lots of propaganda to help themselves?

I was stationed in Spain for 3 years and I can tell you their society is in many ways superior socially to ours. They may not have trucks or big TV's, but they have peace, inclusion and stability instead of stress, strife and bankruptcy. They also don't have mass shootings or people abducting children either because most people are content with their society, and they don't have to bomb the rest of the world either.

a reply to: CB328

Well, if anyone stops to think about it, Millennials were born in a unified world... of sorts as its called the internet. Theyve had exposure to people from other countries ever since they were allowed online if or when they had access to it. So having spoken with people or read about people from this already unified digital world? The old stuff isnt going to make much sense for people to be carrying it around... then they look at the real world and its been war and psychological terror for them out there... if school wasnt compulsory theyd likely never left the house and thought oh yeah not so bad out here... some generations played cowboys and Indians, some played cops and robbers, I bet some millennials played video games... haha you thought I was going to say terrorist didnt you? But who would the opposition be? PEACE... as it is something theyve never had or were too young to remember and thats what they want... and its not just them.

The thing people don't understand about socialism is that it is simply the middle class that controls the government, the common man. That is all socialism is. Capitalism is where the super rich, the less than .05% of the population control everything even the people. Socialism contradicts this and starts a war with the wealth that througout time causes the rich to lose. Socialism is much more the type of democracy that Americans a led to believe exists in the country when it doesn't capitalism rules... the whole majority rules concept is one of socialism, capitalism is where the social elite rules while pretending the people do.

Facism isn't what you think either but you didn't mention that so I won't explain.

a reply to: tortureforlife

We don't have a majority rules system we are suppose to be protected by rules that allow for individual liberty.

a reply to: ketsuko

"And you wonder why we are so unwilling? Maybe it's because you have no sense of when you should be grateful or approach the idea with humility instead of demanding it as your due as though you were the ones who put in 50 to 60 hour work weeks with 2 hours/day of commute time to get where you are."

And if the millenlials fall for this crap, they ARE stupid. You made the choice to a slave to the criminal mentality class.

All I've seen in this thread are the older generations fearful of the change they know is coming. I've been saying it for years: for better or for worse, socialism is coming whether you like it or not. The writing has been on the wall for decades, and the graffiti was posted there by the economic handicaps in the market and business infrastructure that were removed by the Reagan administration in the 80's - and you can't blame that one on the millenials, twist, turn and writhe all you want.

Reagan and his capitalist cronies legislated away all the checks and balances which kept the middle class in the middle - which built the economy up in the first place after WW2 - and it's been a steady downward slide since then. Cost of living advances further than wage increases, mergers after mega-mergers in the name of profits and pleasing stock holders shipping industry and production jobs overseas, financial institutions willingly enabling an entire population to essentially live off of debt.

Capitalism run amok. And now the previous generation blames the coming political shift on the younger?

How did you think it was going to end? This does not sound like a self-sustaining system to me. It was designed to implode at some point, and that point is quickly approaching. The millenials may by the ones to vote in the coming red wave of socialism, but the events that set that change in motion were seeded long before they were even born.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. How many times has this exact scenario played out in societies throughout the past couple hundred years? This is hardly new ground, which is why I feel confident in the changes which are soon to happen.

Even if Sanders isn't elected, someone else with similar - or even more radical left views - will come down the tubes as discontent grows. You can't stop it.