Sanders Verses Trump, Lets Do This!

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Sanders wants bigger government.

So he's a nope for me.

They all want bigger government, Sanders is the only one that's not hiding the agenda.

I can't really argue that one.

Probably why I don't vote much. I dislike everyone that the government has chosen for me to choose from.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein


As to being "poorer", your life will overtime become greatly enriched with real value, real peace of mind and perhaps real happiness. Things that money can't really buy.

The US government is corrupt. I have yet to see anyone who claims otherwise.

Is there any government in the world you would consider uncorrupted?

Nope.

Are you going to justify the corruption in the US government by pointing out that other governments are just as corrupt?

Kinda what I thought.

Justify? Wouldn't I need a comparative? A model to show how it can be done right?

You're obfuscating.

Is the US government corrupt?

It's really a simple question.

Of course it's corrupt, but the Donald will put things right...you'll see!!!

So another Sanders supporter heard from!

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Sanders wants bigger government.

So he's a nope for me.

They all want bigger government, Sanders is the only one that's not hiding the agenda.

I can't really argue that one.

Probably why I don't vote much. I dislike everyone that the government has chosen for me to choose from.

I feel ya. I'm still going with Sanders for right now, because he's genuine, wants to help people and take the money out of politics. I did like Rand Paul, but he's out now so I can't see anyone else I like. He's the only one I truly believed did want a smaller government.

I feel like Sanders would be better for the country than any of the others.

a reply to: amazing

And I would disagree. But I'm also wrong much of the time, so who cares what I think.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein


As to being "poorer", your life will overtime become greatly enriched with real value, real peace of mind and perhaps real happiness. Things that money can't really buy.

The US government is corrupt. I have yet to see anyone who claims otherwise.

Is there any government in the world you would consider uncorrupted?

Nope.

Are you going to justify the corruption in the US government by pointing out that other governments are just as corrupt?

Kinda what I thought.

Justify? Wouldn't I need a comparative? A model to show how it can be done right?

You're obfuscating.

Is the US government corrupt?

It's really a simple question.

You are the one claiming ALL governments are corrupt.

Which was in answer to my question: "Is there any government in the world you would consider uncorrupted?".

I never claimed any are or not corrupt. I have stated nothing to defend.

Define corruption.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein


As to being "poorer", your life will overtime become greatly enriched with real value, real peace of mind and perhaps real happiness. Things that money can't really buy.

The US government is corrupt. I have yet to see anyone who claims otherwise.

Is there any government in the world you would consider uncorrupted?

Nope.

Are you going to justify the corruption in the US government by pointing out that other governments are just as corrupt?

Like bridges to nowhere?
Like the Iraq war...what did it accomplish except creating ISiS?
Like the Patriot Act? And creation of the Office of Homeland Security?
Seems like an awful lot of expansion of government Sanders was opposed to.

That's enough corruption for me...

Bernie voted no...

Your taxes went down though, so what did you care?

i'll take trump over sanders. sanders wants bigger government, when has the government ever done a good job at ruining anything;we are in massive debt.

You can't guarantee that, you can't even dictate what my cost of living or lifestyle should be. For me, real freedom is the ability to self-determine. And definitely not have government choose for me. The US government is corrupt. I have yet to see anyone who claims otherwise. And here we are, arguing to giving a corrupt government even more than they already take.

exactly

and to every one who says trump would mess up foreign policy, its already a mess.

a reply to: the owlbear

So voting in Sanders will eliminate all government corruption.

O_o

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: the owlbear

So voting in Sanders will eliminate all government corruption.

O_o

You're the one on this website saying "Oh...woe is me, I earn enough that a Sanders administration concerns me."
Answer my question...how much do you make a year?

Then we can judge...

originally posted by: the owlbear

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: the owlbear

So voting in Sanders will eliminate all government corruption.

O_o

You're the one on this website saying "Oh...woe is me, I earn enough that a Sanders administration concerns me."
Answer my question...how much do you make a year?

Then we can judge...

Will a Sanders Administration oversee a government with no corruption?

If you want a copy of my w-2 then U2U me and pay a 1,000.00 fee for my time.

originally posted by: the owlbear

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: the owlbear

So voting in Sanders will eliminate all government corruption.

O_o

You're the one on this website saying "Oh...woe is me, I earn enough that a Sanders administration concerns me."
Answer my question...how much do you make a year?

Then we can judge...

What does it matter what he (I think) makes a year? It is not for you or Mr. Sanders to take his earned income because you decide it would be better to give it to someone else, and in most cases, waste what is taken on more Government Bureaucracy that FAILS.

How many problems does government "solve"? How many Government agencies have cured a problem and no longer exist? How many keep the problem growing and in turn keep growing?

The only government program I know of that has "went away" was CIVIL Defense.... That should tell you all you need to know.

a reply to: Annee

That is a SCOTUS issue not a POTUS issue. Whether gays can marry or not does not affect my taxes. They should. It would increase the local markets for weddings and divorce attorneys. A win/win for the small community but not something I look for in a president.

a reply to: amazing

Trump doesn't. He sees it as waste. Department of Education is a good one. The IRS. Get the government out of our daily lives. There is no need for the amount of federal 'offices' that have been created in the last 10 years.

Bernie just wants to tax all the people he secretly wishes he was....

originally posted by: the owlbear

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein


As to being "poorer", your life will overtime become greatly enriched with real value, real peace of mind and perhaps real happiness. Things that money can't really buy.

The US government is corrupt. I have yet to see anyone who claims otherwise.

Is there any government in the world you would consider uncorrupted?

Nope.

Are you going to justify the corruption in the US government by pointing out that other governments are just as corrupt?

Like bridges to nowhere?
Like the Iraq war...what did it accomplish except creating ISiS?
Like the Patriot Act? And creation of the Office of Homeland Security?
Seems like an awful lot of expansion of government Sanders was opposed to.

That's enough corruption for me...

Bernie voted no...

Your taxes went down though, so what did you care?

This needs to be reposted, great points!

Two older coots on the stage battling it out sounds like too much fun! These guys would be great sparing partners. You'll never be able to guess what will come out of their mouths next. Somewhat like children.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: amazing

Trump doesn't. He sees it as waste. Department of Education is a good one. The IRS. Get the government out of our daily lives. There is no need for the amount of federal 'offices' that have been created in the last 10 years.

Bernie just wants to tax all the people he secretly wishes he was....

That's not true though. Sanders is trying to do the right thing, Trump will do what makes him the most money. Isn't that our problem already?

And if you get rid of public education. The states can't afford it. Then what am I supposed to do with my children. My wife and I both work so we can't home school them and we can't afford a private school. Do we sell our house so one of us can quite our jobs to home school them? It's not as easy as you make it seem.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Annee

That is a SCOTUS issue not a POTUS issue. Whether gays can marry or not does not affect my taxes. They should. It would increase the local markets for weddings and divorce attorneys. A win/win for the small community but not something I look for in a president.

It affects their taxes.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: the owlbear

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: the owlbear

So voting in Sanders will eliminate all government corruption.

O_o

You're the one on this website saying "Oh...woe is me, I earn enough that a Sanders administration concerns me."
Answer my question...how much do you make a year?

Then we can judge...

Will a Sanders Administration oversee a government with no corruption?

If you want a copy of my w-2 then U2U me and pay a 1,000.00 fee for my time.

Put up or shut up.

Nuff said

Just need to see how many zeros you have behind your wealth...

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein


As to being "poorer", your life will overtime become greatly enriched with real value, real peace of mind and perhaps real happiness. Things that money can't really buy.

The US government is corrupt. I have yet to see anyone who claims otherwise.

Is there any government in the world you would consider uncorrupted?

Nope.

Are you going to justify the corruption in the US government by pointing out that other governments are just as corrupt?

Kinda what I thought.

Justify? Wouldn't I need a comparative? A model to show how it can be done right?

You're obfuscating.

Is the US government corrupt?

It's really a simple question.

Of course it's corrupt, but the Donald will put things right...you'll see!!!

So another Sanders supporter heard from!

And I would disagree. But I'm also wrong much of the time, so who cares what I think.

Another time you are making the wrong assumption and talking out of your butt.

I'm mostly undecided but Gov Gary Johnson is a friend and I might vote for him ....again.

One thing is certain, I will not be voting for any fascist that permeate the GOP.

originally posted by: the owlbear

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: the owlbear

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: the owlbear

So voting in Sanders will eliminate all government corruption.

O_o

You're the one on this website saying "Oh...woe is me, I earn enough that a Sanders administration concerns me."
Answer my question...how much do you make a year?

Then we can judge...

Will a Sanders Administration oversee a government with no corruption?

If you want a copy of my w-2 then U2U me and pay a 1,000.00 fee for my time.

Put up or shut up.

Nuff said

Pay up.

Nothing in life is free. But this is a good example of a Sander-ism.

You demand something from me. I put a price on the product.

You want the product for free.

Now, would a Sanders presidency eliminate all government corruption?