Marco Rubio Slams Obama's Speech On Fighting Islamophobia

a reply to: TheTengriist

I believe it was a Baptist minister who once said, "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." It just happens that the president is an Americna President, in the United States, speaking to Americans about American situations. and in America, Muslims are getting the crap end of the stirring-stick.

Care to share any examples?

I see these and notice a problem:

2001 September 11 attacks
2002 Los Angeles Airport shooting
2002 José Padilla (Abdullah al-Muhajir) Plot
2002 Buffalo Six
2004 financial buildings plot
2005 Los Angeles bomb plot
2006 Hudson River bomb plot
2006 Sears Tower plot
2006 Toledo terror plot
2006 transatlantic aircraft plot
2006 UNC SUV attack
2007 Fort Dix attack plot
2007 John F. Kennedy International Airport attack plot
2009 Little Rock recruiting office shooting
2009 Bronx terrorism plot
2009 Dallas Car Bomb Plot by Hosam Maher Husein Smadi[32]
2009 New York City Subway and United Kingdom plot
2009 Fort Hood shooting
2009 Colleen LaRose arrested (not made public until March 2010)
2010 King Salmon, Alaska local meteorologist and wife assassination plots
2010 Alleged Washington Metro bomb plot
2011 Alleged Saudi Arabian student bomb plots
2011 Manhattan terrorism plot
2011 Lone Wolf New York City, Bayonne,NJ pipe bombs plot.
2012 Car bomb plot in Florida.[33]
2013 Boston Marathon bombing
2013 Wichita Airport bombing plot
2015 Boston beheading plot
2015 Curtis Culwell Center attack
2015 San Bernardino attack

I see the statistics for hate crimes and see little problem.

According to Hate Crime statistics for 2014 (only ones available):

Of the 1,140 victims of anti-religious hate crimes:

56.8 percent were victims of crimes motivated by their offenders’ anti-Jewish bias.
16.1 percent were victims of anti-Islamic (Muslim) bias.
6.2 percent were victims of bias against groups of individuals of varying religions (anti-multiple religions, group).
6.1 percent were victims of anti-Catholic bias.
2.5 percent were victims of anti-Protestant bias.
1.2 percent were victims of anti-Atheist/Agnostic bias.
11.0 percent were victims of bias against other religions (anti-other religion). (Based on Table 1.)

So even if anti-Muslim hate crimes did rise by 3 times since then, it would still be less than the anti-Jewish bias.

Vandalizing a mosque, saying bad things about Islam, maybe a fight or some bigotry here and there—yes it sucks, but there are worse things, for instance gunmen rampaging through cities shooting innocents, plots to behead innocents, plots to bomb buildings. Are you sure you have your priorities straight?

originally posted by: TheTengriist
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I believe it was a Baptist minister who once said, "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." It just happens that the president is an Americna President, in the United States, speaking to Americans about American situations. and in America, Muslims are getting the crap end of the stirring-stick.

To be more exact, Muslims in America are "getting the crap end of the stirring-stick" from America's right wing. The left wing isn't the one that's constantly trying to pass anti-Sharia laws, ranting about "creeping Sharia", calling for bans on Syrian refugees & on Muslim immigrants in general, trying to stop us from being able to build mosques, holding armed protests at our mosques like John Ritzheimer & his allies did, etc.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

To be more exact, Muslims in America are "getting the crap end of the stirring-stick" from America's right wing. The left wing isn't the one that's constantly trying to pass anti-Sharia laws, ranting about "creeping Sharia", calling for bans on Syrian refugees & on Muslim immigrants in general, trying to stop us from being able to build mosques, holding armed protests at our mosques like John Ritzheimer & his allies did, etc.

And these?

2001 September 11 attacks
2002 Los Angeles Airport shooting
2002 José Padilla (Abdullah al-Muhajir) Plot
2002 Buffalo Six
2004 financial buildings plot
2005 Los Angeles bomb plot
2006 Hudson River bomb plot
2006 Sears Tower plot
2006 Toledo terror plot
2006 transatlantic aircraft plot
2006 UNC SUV attack
2007 Fort Dix attack plot
2007 John F. Kennedy International Airport attack plot
2009 Little Rock recruiting office shooting
2009 Bronx terrorism plot
2009 Dallas Car Bomb Plot by Hosam Maher Husein Smadi[32]
2009 New York City Subway and United Kingdom plot
2009 Fort Hood shooting
2009 Colleen LaRose arrested (not made public until March 2010)
2010 King Salmon, Alaska local meteorologist and wife assassination plots
2010 Alleged Washington Metro bomb plot
2011 Alleged Saudi Arabian student bomb plots
2011 Manhattan terrorism plot
2011 Lone Wolf New York City, Bayonne,NJ pipe bombs plot.
2012 Car bomb plot in Florida.[33]
2013 Boston Marathon bombing
2013 Wichita Airport bombing plot
2015 Boston beheading plot
2015 Curtis Culwell Center attack
2015 San Bernardino attack

a reply to: enlightenedservant

To be more exact, Muslims in America are "getting the crap end of the stirring-stick" from America's right wing. The left wing isn't the one that's constantly trying to pass anti-Sharia laws,

You don't see an anti Sharia law as a good thing? Why, because it would prevent implementation of Sharia law, or what?

Why doesn't he toe the company line and just say that Obama and said mosque are profiting from baby parts?

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief

He is acting like there is an overall anti islam sentiment across America affecting American muslims when this really is not the case at all.

He is dividing people by claiming there is a situation like this.

False. There is a well-documented rise in threats and violence against Muslims in the US.

Source 1
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Source 4

And it goes on from there... there are dozens of examples. This is a real trend, fostered and encouraged by the modern conservative movement in the US. And it fits the propaganda objectives of that same movement to try to spin the story that Obama is somehow being divisive. That's what ya call bull# in polite circles.

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
a reply to: enlightenedservant

To be more exact, Muslims in America are "getting the crap end of the stirring-stick" from America's right wing. The left wing isn't the one that's constantly trying to pass anti-Sharia laws,

You don't see an anti Sharia law as a good thing? Why, because it would prevent implementation of Sharia law, or what?

There is already an anti-Sharia law in the country. It's called the First Amendment.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Another misinterpretation by you.

If anything, the First Amendement says that you can't make a law to supress a religion.

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, as one of the ten amendments that constitute the Bill of Rights.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof",

en.wikipedia.org...


Kinda sad that a Dutch guy has to school you on such a matter.

a reply to: DutchMasterChief

Your arrogance is noted and it makes this rebuttal all the more funny.

Establishment Clause

The Establishment Clause is the first of several pronouncements in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, stating,

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

The Establishment Clause was written by Congressman Fisher Ames in 1789, who derived it from discussions in the First Congress of various drafts that would become the amendments comprising the Bill of Rights. The second half of the Establishment Clause includes the Free Exercise Clause, which guarantees freedom from governmental interference in both private and public religious affairs of all kinds.

The Establishment Clause is a limitation placed upon the United States Congress preventing it from passing legislation respecting an establishment of religion. The second half of the Establishment Clause inherently prohibits the government from preferring any one religion over another. While the Establishment Clause does prohibit Congress from preferring or elevating one religion over another, still it does not prohibit the government's entry into the religious domain to make accommodations for religious observances and practices in order to achieve the purposes of the Free Exercise Clause.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Rubio spends more time running against Obama than against his fellow GOP candidates. Maybe someone on his campaign staff needs to tell him Obama is not a candidate.

He does it because he's much more moderate than he lets on. He doesn't want to run against the GOP and commit himself to far right positions during the primary when he can instead run against Obama's policies and keep his hands free for the general election if he gets that far.

originally posted by: introvert
Rubio would never be able to say something like this and not be laughed off stage if the Right Wing propaganda did not create an entire section of society that believes crap like this.

He is appealing to misinformed, ignorant people that suck-up the confirmation bias.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HEE HEE HEE HEE!!!!

Man, you guys never change. No matter who we support, if they're right wingers, the supporters are misinformed, ignorant people that suck-up the confirmation bias... Too predictable.

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
You don't see an anti Sharia law as a good thing? Why, because it would prevent implementation of Sharia law, or what?

Because the US government has no right to condemn one religious practice in place of another. Most of these anti Sharia laws are aimed at shutting out Islamic based arbitration as an alternative to court, while leaving Christian arbitration in place (which is actually a very popular legal alternative) which is a huge violation of the First Amendment.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Hes in need of votes, he will say what a certain part of america thinks, obama is leaving office this year, the gop runners still need to use obama and islam as the big boogey man to win the white house.

According to the FBI, Hate crime in America represented .22% of violent crime in 2014. Most were simple assaults. There were something like 5000 or more hate crime offenders in America during that same year, making up just .0011% of the American population. I guess everyone is dealing in "boogey" men.

Sorry did you have a point? Are you saying that the gop is not using islam and obama as a boogey man, or are you saying that hate crimes are so low that you dont understand why hes using obama to win votes.

Dude, lay off the breakfast blend coffee and settle down. Nobody cares about obama, other than not having another candidate as bad as him again. He made a visit to a mosque that was under investigation for having ties to terrorism. That's why people don't appreciate his pity party over there.

a reply to: LSU0408

Swing and a miss.

The Smear Campaign Against The Mosque Obama Is Visiting Today

Yet since last Friday, conservative outlets such as Fox News, the Daily Caller, Breitbart News, and the Washington Times have all rushed to deride Obama’s visit, most accusing the Islamic Society of Baltimore of having “historic” or “deep” ties to extremism or “radical Islam.” Herman Cain told Fox News that the visit amounted to Obama “want[ing] to go kissy kissy with the Muslim Brotherhood,” and Zuhdi Jasser — founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, who is often invited to speak at conservative organizations such as the Heritage Foundation because of his willingness to criticize fellow Muslims and the Obama administration — also decried the visit.

“As a Muslim American I’m just insulted, this is disgraceful that this is one of the mosques — or the mosque — that [Obama has] chosen to visit,” Jasser said during an interview with Fox & Friends.

The accusations are rooted in criticisms surrounding the mosque’s former imam Mohamad Adam El-Sheikh, who served the community from 1983 to 1989 and from 1994 to 2003. Despite the fact that Sheikh has never been accused of propagating extremism, conservatives bemoaned his former membership with Sudan’s chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood, even though he cut ties with the group in 1992. They also pointed to his former role as a regional director for the Islamic American Relief Agency, a local subsidiary of an international body accused of some extremist ties, and noted that he took over as imam of a D.C.-area mosque in 2003 where an al-Qaeda once preached fiery sermons — even though Sheikh never delivered those sermons himself.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

You must be one of those muslims that like to play the victim card.

God forbid we look out for the best interest of the American people. You're the dog that bites the hand feeding you.

originally posted by: spinalremain
Why doesn't he toe the company line and just say that Obama and said mosque are profiting from baby parts?

Because we're more interested in the truth.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Rubio spends more time running against Obama than against his fellow GOP candidates. Maybe someone on his campaign staff needs to tell him Obama is not a candidate.

Obama spent most of his 2008 campaign running against George Bush. Then he did it again in 2012.

Can we talk again about how running against the record and actions of your potential predecessor are now somehow an invalid campaign mode?

originally posted by: Open_Minded Skeptic

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief

He is acting like there is an overall anti islam sentiment across America affecting American muslims when this really is not the case at all.

He is dividing people by claiming there is a situation like this.

False. There is a well-documented rise in threats and violence against Muslims in the US.

Source 1
Source 2
Source 3
Source 4

And it goes on from there... there are dozens of examples. This is a real trend, fostered and encouraged by the modern conservative movement in the US. And it fits the propaganda objectives of that same movement to try to spin the story that Obama is somehow being divisive. That's what ya call bull# in polite circles.

A true extremist you are.

a reply to: LSU0408

Provide a source

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

What does that have to do with what I said? The right wing is the one doing what I said. And yeah, some self proclaimed Muslims commit crimes. How's that any different than any other demographic? By the numbers, the vast majority of murders, rapes, robberies, domestic violence cases, frauds, suicides, abductions, and every other crime in America is committed by self described Christians. I guess we should ban Christianity & churches too then, since clearly they're not preventing their followers from committing crimes.