Undisputed proof that demons do exist.

originally posted by: Monkeyguns
a reply to: Raxoxane

I have experience with people who think they are possessed but are just mentally ill.
They needed no exorcism just therapy and medication.
But do continue actually harming folk who are mentally ill by suggesting they are possessed....
Well done hope you are proud.

But what happened to freedom of religion, a fair trial? And what is the difference between suggesting possession or suggesting a lifelong mental illness and feeding them drugs with side effects, keeping them out of society.

At least the first suggestion is not by law (forced) and there is salvation, the second is lifelong without a cure. Both have in common there is usually not a shred of physical evidence. There are no DNA tests, brainscans or anything else to prove something like schizophrenia. Psychiatry is just like a regular jail, except people can be 'convicted' because of suspicions (a person might harm himself or another, or might not get a job and become homeless) or without physical evidence.

originally posted by: veracity
My theory is that many "Christians" are actually lil demons in disguise.

The source of your "theory" is rather obvious...

But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. ~ Matthew 12:24-28

One would think that one day people might eventually catch up to reality, guess not...

Apparently Orwell knew what he was talking about as well...

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Oh had she been a rare example,i would most certainly not have been so vexed,i would've written her off as an anomaly. But she is the Standard for most "Christians" in the town,and even out here in the Bush. And it would be very little use trying to talk to any of them of the real meaning of charity..see,we have tattoos,and we occasionally have a few beers,and we don't attend church,and we listen to eg AC/DC..so why would these fine people listen to godless heathens like us? They think we are scum. And the feeling is mutual.

a reply to: veracity

I disagree on the point of not mattering at all. Sacraments are important. But, it is true that faith and effort are very important to outcomes.

There are bad Christians, but that has more to do with the world we live in than Christ.

In the end, judging anyone or converting them is above my pay grade. That'd be God's province. I'm both relieved and happy to know that I'm really Justin charge of my own business. That's enough work without having to sort everyone else out.

a reply to: Rapha

I know,it's insane. If you had to look at it from a "karma is a bitch" perspective,you could argue that the ones in Alexandria township,scrounging on the scrap-heaps, were really rotten and were getting what was coming to them.But when you look at the quality of the Hearts of these people in Alexandria township-then one has to wonder,about the ones in Sandton-THEIR natures and worldviews,their shallowness and spoiledness,materialism and elitism and Their cold,cold hearts- i know where you would find the greater innocence,purity and good hearts. And it sure as all heck won't be in the leafy luxurious avenues of Sandton.

This is something i often ponder on,and it don't make a single bit of sense to me.

a reply to: johnnyjoe1979

Exactly, Dr. Jeffrey Schaler describes psychiatry as a pseudo Science when in reality it is merely a weapon used to suppress and silence the masses...

The diagnosis of mental illness is always a weapon. ~ Dr. Jeffrey Schaler

What do you think psychiatrists would do if Jesus were alive today? Or Buddha? Or Mohammed? Ba-da-bing! Right into a mental hospital, injected with drugs to stop their crazy beliefs and speech. Psychiatrists today are the true Grand Inquisitors. They would crucify the holy men and women of yesterday in an instant. Transcript for Video

“Biological psychiatry is a total fraud.” ~ Fred Baughman

“There are no objective tests in psychiatry-no X-ray, laboratory, or exam finding that says definitively that someone does or does not have a mental disorder.” ~ Allen Frances, Former DSM-IV Task Force Chairman

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“Psychiatry makes unproven claims that depression, bipolar illness, anxiety, alcoholism and a host of other disorders are in fact primarily biologic and probably genetic in origin…This kind of faith in science and progress is staggering, not to mention naïve and perhaps delusional.” ~ Dr. David Kaiser, psychiatrist

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Not only is psychology without merit, but psychiatry defrauds the public as well. Medical psychiatrists have been trying for years to validate their biochemical theory of mental illness, but “after decades of research that has yielded not a single definitive biological marker connecting brain dysfunction to mental disorders,” we are letting doctors evaluate and treat us as if such diseases exist.

To put it more loosely, making a diagnosis of mental illness is “a near mindless act where you can speculate whatever you want and never be ‘wrong’ (if any new or unrelated symptoms emerge just add another diagnosis).” In fact, there is not a single scientific study that shows prescription psychotropic drug users suffer from an objective, confirmable abnormality of the brain.

Psychology and Psychiatry: Rotten to the Core

a reply to: Raxoxane

It may not be this life but the next life when Karma does its justice

originally posted by: Raxoxane
I know,it's insane. If you had to look at it from a "karma is a bitch" perspective,you could argue that the ones in Alexandria township,scrounging on the scrap-heaps, were really rotten and were getting what was coming to them.

This is something i often ponder on,and it don't make a single bit of sense to me.

You know i said that once on ATS concerning how karma is payback for the rich where, for example, a rich white arms dealer gets born in Africa and then one of their own company WMD's drops on their greedy head and they suffer. One reply even stated that karma doesn't work that way and another said that karma doesn't even exist.

It seems that a lot of people cannot handle the fact that Jesus was right when he said 'treat others the way you want to be treated'.

This brings this stray thread back inline concerning demons. The demons are peeved off at the Annunaki for tainting human (ape) DNA with fallen angel DNA, transforming apes into slaves (Adam and Eve). This is why demons always take out their anger on humans because their tainted DNA stops their spirit from escaping this prison planet.

As Jesus said, 'the end days shall be like the Days of Noah'. Well look at how the top Annunaki half-breeds have all the money and the peasants are getting poorer and angry. Exactly the same as the slave labour during the Days of Noah.

I am an atheist> I don't refuse the spiritual realm even though most people cant define the word "spiritual" including myself. HONESTLY and SERIOUSLY guys, would You really want to know if demons exist ? I wouldn't be able to sleep at night , maybe Im a wimp but I thought about it and I wouldn't want to know. That's why I didn't really read the thread because I am too scared to know that they really exist.

a reply to: Medicator

if you fear them, they do exist.

Instead of being afraid, try reading the thread and looking into the subject to know more about it so you are not so scared. Demons feed off fear.

I don't mean to scare you more, in this case probably ignorance is bliss, but don't be afraid. Demons in the other world exist just as demons do in our world...psychopaths, murderers, rapists, Hitler for example.

originally posted by: Murgatroid
a reply to: johnnyjoe1979

Exactly, Dr. Jeffrey Schaler describes psychiatry as a pseudo Science when in reality it is merely a weapon used to suppress and silence the masses...

Thanks, I haven't seen that video yet. Good, except comparing Nazism to psychiatry, his argument is Germans in the 1930's didn't take Nazism seriously and today people don't take psychiatry seriously. It's partly true most people don't care about psychiatry or mentally ill patients but it's very different. Many people are ignorant and want to believe in science and so psychiatry, plus they are afraid of mentally ill people because of the many prejudice, partly because of bad publicity (which psychiatry doesn't appear to care much about; they could easily do something PR, however it suits their interests) but also because of medical secracy. I do sometimes wonder if people would think different if diagnosis were made public and people they saw no problems in turned out to have a diagnose.

Funnily I did once had an insight how much psychiatry and Nazism have in common, all these people believing they were/are doing good and nothing to convince them otherwise. But the end solution of psychiatry is at least captivity and drugs, not death so they are not that evil (although something could be said for torture in captivity), plus some people in psychiatry genuinely care about the welfare of their patients. And with a good lawyer and connections they are easily dismissed.

Then there are parents who chose to have children, turn out not to be the best parents and can't raise their children and then they turn to psychiatry for help and the child gets a mindjob and drugged up. Some parents will actually believe they are doing good and will go through hell and some parents will just be glad not to be bothered and happily go on living believing they can't help it (since it's a physical disease and nobodies fault).

Anyway I'm just hoping psychiatry will overdiagnose and too many people will become harassed by them so others notice and eventually groups will form to protect people against psychiatry. Which is all very difficult. Most troublesome is there doesn't appear to be anything stopping psychiatry, it just grows in popularity each year, while the church is in decline for and has been for decades. But at least the church has 2000 years of experience and proof of salvation, while psychiatry has little over a century, has no cure (most of what they offer is 'experimental') and does not do more than nullify the bad but also the good of a human being.

a reply to: veracity Point taken and I don't doubt their existence. My atheism is more of a anti establishment, anti infighting type of thing, Im not one of those roll my eyes and exclude all possibilities. I see what You are saying. A guy from South America lived in my apartment before me and claimed he got attacked by a demon in his bed, which is now my bedroom, Ill check it out incase I have an experience maybe I will know what to do.

a reply to: Medicator

Just tell him to F-off

originally posted by: DeathSlayer

originally posted by: Jay-morris
While interesting, this is not evidence in afraid

Even if it is true, that does not prove that God exists.

God from the bible, I hope does not exist

Hey Jay,

At least you say I HOPE...... so you have doubt......and that is good.

The Apostle Thomas doubted that Jesus was alive after he was crucified until Jesus approached him and had Thomas touch his hands and feet so to feel and see the holes that were left from the nails driven into his flesh. It was then when Thomas believed....so you having doubt is not always negative but can have a positive out come.

So the OT God in the bible is something you do not like........

Do you have a problem with Jesus? Has he done anything you dislike him for?

If not, good...... because his Father gave his son, Jesus, all power and authority over everything in heaven and earth. So are you willing to follow and put your faith in Jesus?

Well, in my opinion, I believe the bible is man made, clearly man made. God seems so primitive in thinking because it was written by primitive people.

If the bible God is real, I would be absolutely gutted in more than one way.

But I am 100% sure he is not real, but if you are religious, then that's OK with me, as long as you don't use it to hate, discriminate, or kill in the name if your God.

So if I say Jesus in the wrong context, my soul should be dragged to hell in an instant.

....still here.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Yup.

Muses (as in poetic inspiration) were daimons too. Many many good examples. But you knew that...
I mentioned that for others.

Kev

Thanks. No worries. Yeah, there are lots of examples across virtually every religion and most cultures.

At the root of all of this is an energy source that cannot be quantified. This alone, will keep science always poking at it to primarily define what that energy is. We know it is there, what ever it is.

As Science and Spirituality (which some claim is a science unto itself) start to share more theories and experimentation, perhaps the breakthrough will happen sooner than later. The key to understanding what these energies/forces are just has to interest many great scientists and spritualists. Before that happens, anything above it is just too much conjecture.

For myself, I want to know while presently here on Earth.

originally posted by: Specimen
So if I say Jesus in the wrong context, my soul should be dragged to hell in an instant.

....still here.

If nothing happened, guess were your soul was just before?

Sorry couldn't resist

If demons do exist, it doesn't necessarily mean God exists. Secondly, if God exists, it doesn't justify many of the things that religions do in His name.

Other than that, I believe in the supernatural and I even summoned a spirit through an Ouija board before, which was a very compelling experience.

And another stray thought, based on a strong theme running around here, is .. .if the gods, archons, critters, aliens and demons are constructs (or tulpas) partially dependent on belief to give them more "reality" then wouldn't it make sense that they are all working to promote belief on behalf of their own existence?

Then the miracles and evil attacks, both, make more "sense" as a marketing campaign to keep the self sustaining belief loop between human/critters going... and the puerile aspects of the game make more sense.

I wouldn't want to plant the seed of doubt in believers if the standard two team model were true, and don't delude myself that I even could, no matter how "logical" my input (heh). But I suspect the main creative force, God, exists, and is just more incomprehensible and hands off, in a sense, or is just letting the possibilities play out as it has to, and the little evil/good things just happen and don't have any lasting effects in the immortal totality of all, and are more "local."

Offered as a alternative view only... no offense meant.