Undisputed proof that demons do exist.

originally posted by: yosako

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
(reply to ParasuvO)
You have been completely fooled, and then this being fooled has also been pumped up with the pride of your knowledge, but the knowledge you think you know about all of this is complete rubbish.

Christ does indeed exist and will be your only possible refuge when your day comes for an accounting. I hope you make it. Any deception that intends for someone to say the Christ does not exist, is inspired and executed upon you by the father of lies.

So you are born into amnesia into an artificially built world with all kind of nonsense going on and some goodies mixed in, with an extreme difficulty to find actual answers about anything, plus your intuition tied in...and you have to be judged and accounted for it? Seems like a funny concept of "justice" to me...the beings hiding behind the fourth wall must be laughing their asses off at how entertaining "stealing your money and making you pay interest" is!.

I have to admit, nothing you have said actually makes an ounce of sense to me. I meant what I said earlier and I do know for a FACT that it is true. I have seen demons myself and have also been delivered from them by the Christ so I know who exists and what the truth actually is. Keep is simple if you can. It's much easier.

originally posted by: Jay-morris
While interesting, this is not evidence in afraid

Even if it is true, that does not prove that God exists.

God from the bible, I hope does not exist

Why hope that God doesn't exist? God is not your enemy and loves you no matter what you might think. Hoping he doesn't exist tends to mean that someone feels like the things they have done will be severely punished, and that they could never be forgiven. That isn't true, but you have to do something about your status yourself. Do you know what that is?

a reply to: TerryDon79

So you don't believe the many physists who papered their findings that invisible terrestrial entities (ITEs 1 &2 ) can now be seen and documented due to technology and use of a concave lense?

You obviously don't want to live in truth. Good luck with that.

a reply to: Baddogma

I agree 100% with your words about marketing.

That is a very potent realization.

UFOs also do everything possible to be seen.

Kev

originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: TerryDon79

So you don't believe the many physists who papered their findings that invisible terrestrial entities (ITEs 1 &2 ) can now be seen and documented due to technology and use of a concave lense?

You obviously don't want to live in truth. Good luck with that.

That's very different to what's being posted as "proof" by the op.

originally posted by: johndeere2020
I prefer abandoned or former mental institutions in the late hours of day into the evening, when everyone's home and quiet. These places tend to be the converging point of paranormal.

I can't do this on my own due to risks. I'll need someone to get me out of the "zone" if things start to get bad.

I have always thought of setting up a 24/7 network feed of a haunted place. I thought of this from the Ghost Hunters series in they give it only one night and what if you had an endless stream of weeks/months of video and audio.

a reply to: Murgatroid

I have been saying it for years!

Psychiatrists and psychologists are closed minded and are convinced they have mapped out the human brain and how it functions.

i have a simple challenge for everyone in this thread who decries psychaitry :

spend a week in a closed environment with a bunch of untreated psychiatric patients

There are no such things as demons. The demons you mention are from certain religions only, they were invented by whoever invented whatever religion. Demons are from Christian mythology if I'm not mistaken and some others possibly as well.

A lot of religious people are extremely gullible and have mental problems and can easily be convinced that they are under a demon attack. I

originally posted by: Medicator
I am an atheist> I don't refuse the spiritual realm even though most people cant define the word "spiritual" including myself. HONESTLY and SERIOUSLY guys, would You really want to know if demons exist ? I wouldn't be able to sleep at night , maybe Im a wimp but I thought about it and I wouldn't want to know. That's why I didn't really read the thread because I am too scared to know that they really exist.

As already mentioned demons feed on fear...... fear gives off a hormone that most demons feed on. It makes them high and is very addictive to them. One main reason why they go after children first... to traumatize them when they are young so they can feed off them for their (scared child) entire life.

Remember: 2 Timothy 1:7 - For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

Just a tip. Actually most spirits are scared of us..... ssshhhh...... don't tell anyone. Let this be our little secret..

If for an example you saw one as it was walking towards your bed, you only have to say STOP and it will stop BUT don't stop there..... because if you do it will start walking towards you again..... Say STOP....then say "In Jesus name leave and go in peace and never return" Continue to say this until it leaves.... cry out loud to Christ and ask for protection against this evil and watch what IMMEDIATELY happens. You will be saved from this evil!

There is power in the name of Jesus and if you are a believer you have authority over these serpents and vile beings.

NOW to those who are flesh and bone .....it is not that easy.... Dod you know.....there is the seed (offspring) of Eve and there is the seed of the serpent (Satan) that walk this earth. Not all of us belong to God......some belong to the serpent. Not all of us walking on this rock are God's children, I hope you know this.

You want to know what is scary? Not evil spirits (they are spirit) it's the ones that walk around in "meat suits" (human bodies). Evil has found a way a long time ago on how to penetrate and inherit human bodies, mind and spirit. These are the ones who walk in your bedroom with a knife or an axe and you will need a 45 caliber Smith and Wesson by the bed stand for protection.

NOW..... I do NOT practice any other religion so if someone else from a different faith has this power to expel evil than fine..... but remember one day these other faiths will bow and bend a knee to the one creator....whether they want to or not.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
a reply to: Murgatroid

I have been saying it for years!

Psychiatrists and psychologists are closed minded and are convinced they have mapped out the human brain and how it functions.

So here is another field of science that you haven't taken the time to study so you don't understand it and it couldn't possibly be true...... Because a christian fundy on the internet named deathslayer doesn't understand it,,,,,, it couldn't possibly be true.

You live in a tiny magical world don't you?

originally posted by: DeathSlayer

originally posted by: Medicator
I am an atheist> I don't refuse the spiritual realm even though most people cant define the word "spiritual" including myself. HONESTLY and SERIOUSLY guys, would You really want to know if demons exist ? I wouldn't be able to sleep at night , maybe Im a wimp but I thought about it and I wouldn't want to know. That's why I didn't really read the thread because I am too scared to know that they really exist.

As already mentioned demons feed on fear...... fear gives off a hormone that most demons feed on. It makes them high and is very addictive to them. One main reason why they go after children first... to traumatize them when they are young so they can feed off them for their (scared child) entire life.

Remember: 2 Timothy 1:7 - For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

Just a tip.

Actually most spirits are scared of us..... ssshhhh...... don't tell anyone. Let this be our little secret..

If for an example you saw one as it was walking towards your bed, you only have to say STOP and it will stop BUT don't stop there..... because if you do it will start walking towards you again..... Say STOP....then say "In Jesus name leave and go in peace and never return"

There is power in the name of Jesus and if you are a believer you have authority over these serpents and vile beings.

NOW..... I do NOT practice any other religion so if someone else from a different faith has this power to expel evil than fine..... but remember one day these other faiths will bow and bend a knee to the one creator....whether they want to or not.

I am absolutely convinced that the word "jesus" has complete power over you.

originally posted by: Medicator
I am an atheist> I don't refuse the spiritual realm even though most people cant define the word "spiritual" including myself. HONESTLY and SERIOUSLY guys, would You really want to know if demons exist ? I wouldn't be able to sleep at night , maybe Im a wimp but I thought about it and I wouldn't want to know. That's why I didn't really read the thread because I am too scared to know that they really exist.

Awesome honest post!

I think you are safe though, they won't bother you if you pay them no heed

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
a reply to: Murgatroid

I have been saying it for years!

Psychiatrists and psychologists are closed minded and are convinced they have mapped out the human brain and how it functions.

So here is another field of science that you haven't taken the time to study so you don't understand it and it couldn't possibly be true...... Because a christian fundy on the internet named deathslayer doesn't understand it,,,,,, it couldn't possibly be true.

You live in a tiny magical world don't you?

Are you a Psychiatrists or psychologists? I bet not.

Have you worked with them?

What maybe you know one or two? And now you are the expert.

I have worked with more than you know and they all have the same attitude as you do. They will NOT (most) will NOT accept that humans have a spirit inside of them. This is the downfall to Psychiatrists and psychologists. It is this error as to why mental institutes are packed full with doped up people.

As you and others claim how easy is to make up a religion ..... guess how easy it use to make up the understanding of how the mind works....guess how easy it is make up a whole new line of work ........Psychiatrists and psychologists.

Your game is weak and full of holes.

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: Rapha

Who is Shemyhaza?

Read the

Book of Enoch

And depending upon your religious
Or paranormal or ancient astronaut beliefs
He is one of...

A) one of the fallen angels

B) possibly an "Alien Entity"
Who decided he had enough
Of the more powerful alien beings
who genetically modified Simians (apes) into
Walking talking slaves to mine gold who
Eventually became us after we overthrew
the alien masters.

C) an age old spirit being using humans
To harvest emotional energy for basic sustenance.

....

On a personal basis, i've always "felt"
Were are and were never alone...and ...
quantum physics tells me that organizational
structure happens at various levels.
Some of which might to able to attain
Intelligence or be GIVEN intelligence
At levels not perceivable at the macro-scale
That Humans live at!

SOMETHING created the Big Bang!

And i suspect THIS universe is but one
Of MANY with different rules and levels
Of organizational structure be it reactive,
Semi-intelligent or fully cognizant.

I suspect there IS a Creator (aka God/ Yahweh)
But at this time I am too stupid to understand
What he is saying or trying to do.

So, if He is listening, I could REALLY use some
Help in the Why and How department of
things...i.e. Why is there so much suffering?
Why are things the way they are and How
Do we fix things down here?

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Jay-morris
While interesting, this is not evidence in afraid

Even if it is true, that does not prove that God exists.

God from the bible, I hope does not exist

Why hope that God doesn't exist? God is not your enemy and loves you no matter what you might think. Hoping he doesn't exist tends to mean that someone feels like the things they have done will be severely punished, and that they could never be forgiven. That isn't true, but you have to do something about your status yourself. Do you know what that is?

I never said I hope God does not exist. I said from from the bible. Have you read some of the old testament, even the new testament. Have you seen how brutal it is?

Damned to hell for the most stupid things, does not sound like a living God to me. Damning them to eternal fire and pain. does not sound very loving or forgiving.

At the end of the day, that God is man made, and so obviously man made. There is a reason why we will never see another Jesus in our times, because in our times, if something like that happend, we would know.

I am very spiritual. You don't have to believe in any of these religions to be a good person.

Hmm. Well, I'm not an atheist and I believe that things can exist outside of our comprehension. This thread title and the original post, however, are bunkem.

The article is essentially just an advert for a documentary. The house was bought by a professional TV ghost hunter who then demolished it as a publicity stunt (also conveniently preventing any further study). The producer is now trying to make some money back from his $35k investment. Did anyone watch any of the additional material and pick up on the "movie deal" also in the works?

OP appears to have put aside any critical thought, however, and has swallowed the producer's sales pitch hook, line, and sinker. According to OP, this is undisputed proof! Have you actually seen this documentary? Or just parroting the line fed to you by the person with the vested interest in getting people to watch it?

Also, a bit of wider reading knocks a lot of the "evidence" down several pegs.

Any evidence that is essentially "they pulled funny faces, made weird voices, and said mean things" gets discounted. Sorry, means nothing.

It seems to be boil down to three specific events of interest. The first being a levitation witnessed by the family. The second was a physical incident (walking up a wall) witnessed by a psychiatric nurse and a social worker. The third was a physical incident (lifted and thrown) witnessed by medical staff.

To be perfectly blunt, the first doesn't impress me. No truly independent witnesses, it was 2AM and the family were up late "grieving" over a recent loss. Too many opportunities for that event to be... not as described.

The second and third events (the order seems to switch in reports, so the third was possibly the second, but I'll stick to that timing for now) are more intriguing as they involve independent "professional" witnesses.

While it is noted with the second event that the child was holding the hand of a family member while it "walked" up the wall, I don't personally see this as enough to discredit the event. It could certainly be done without any paranormal involvement (just watch Donald O'Connor performing "Make 'em laugh"!) but I think it would be very obvious to anyone watching due to the physical effort involved. The witnesses seemed clear that the child simply walked as easily as walking on the floor - assuming that there was no other way for the child to gain purchase (ie somewhere to place their hand, or some ledge/grating on the wall that provided enough grip for their shoe) which the witnesses failed to notice.

The third event - medical staff watching kids getting thrown around - has too many variables left open. Thrown how? How high? How far? You should have seen us playing Army as kids, my "got blown up by a grenade" routine was worthy of an Olypmic Gold in highjumping. You'd be amazed what you can do with your body when you lack common sense and any fear of injury. In the absence of more information, this really doesn't strike me as strong evidence.

Which essentially leaves us with just the wall climbing as an intriguing event - and it's only intriguing if the reports are accurate. The witnesses were already mentally primed with the concept of paranormal activity - even if they didn't believe it, the seed was sown. All it would take is for the witnesses to miss one thing, or assume something, and an explainable event suddenly becomes paranormal.

What is very interesting is that a psychiatric assessment established that the "demonic possession" of the children only manifested when their behaviour was challenged, or they were being diverted or asked questions that they didn't want to answer. When they were taken from the family environment and placed in a setting where it was made clear that the behaviour would not be tolerated... the "demonic possessions" stopped. I wonder if the Catholic Church knows that "Stop playacting, we don't believe you" is so effective as an exorcism tool...

All the other "evidence" is essentially people getting spooked by a spooky house, and pareidolia inspired by rubbish phone cameras.

So, we're a very long way from "undisputed proof". In fact, by definition, as long as there is someone disputing it, it can't be "undisputed". The evidence so far is intriguing at best, but I wouldn't even classify it as "strong", let alone "indisputable". Perhaps the documentary will provide the details needed to make a solid case. I'm not going to hold my breathe, though.

originally posted by: Slanter
a reply to: DeathSlayer...there's a term used to describe an event that has no real evidence and only witness testimony, and it's called "Hearsay."

No. A witness describing an event that they had observed is not hearsay.

If a witness said "Bob told me that he saw a ghost", it is evidence that Bob said it (because the witness personally observed Bob say it) but hearsay evidence that the event happened.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
a reply to: Murgatroid

I have been saying it for years!

Psychiatrists and psychologists are closed minded and are convinced they have mapped out the human brain and how it functions.

So here is another field of science that you haven't taken the time to study so you don't understand it and it couldn't possibly be true...... Because a christian fundy on the internet named deathslayer doesn't understand it,,,,,, it couldn't possibly be true.

You live in a tiny magical world don't you?

Are you a Psychiatrists or psychologists? I bet not.

Have you worked with them?

What maybe you know one or two? And now you are the expert.

I have worked with more than you know and they all have the same attitude as you do. They will NOT (most) will NOT accept that humans have a spirit inside of them. This is the downfall to Psychiatrists and psychologists. It is this error as to why mental institutes are packed full with doped up people.

As you and others claim how easy is to make up a religion ..... guess how easy it use to make up the understanding of how the mind works....guess how easy it is make up a whole new line of work ........Psychiatrists and psychologists.

Your game is weak and full of holes.

Haha. People don't believe in spirits because they have never been shown to exist. Period. You are convinced they do, because you subscribe to the same ideals that were propogated before the discovery of science as a method of discovering how the universe works. You discount all fields of science. You are living in a tiny little fantasy world, where only you are right, and spirits are everywhere. Psychologists disagree with you, therefor they are wrong, right? That's not how this works though. You need to show your work. So if you want to press the issue that spirits are real, you need to prove it.

Medicine and mental health has an enormous body of work. You can literally start 1000's of years ago (when they believed in spirits) and follow their progression to modern times when the idea of spirits has been replaced with the physiology of the brain and body. You gotta lose that religious ego if you want to start making sense.

a reply to: Woodcarver

Nothing wrong with tiny magical worlds as long as they are real...

Yours is not.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
You discount all fields of science. You gotta lose that religious ego if you want to start making sense.

Pots and kettle much?

You would do well to take your own advice...

Your own tiny "magical world" has so blinded you that you are completely out of touch with reality.

Your blind faith in the fundamentalist cult of 'Scientism' is the REAL faith.

And you want to bring up religious ego?

"Haha" right back atcha...

Science - The Illuminati Religion and Mind Control Tool for the Masses

originally posted by: Woodcarver
Psychologists disagree with you, therefor they are wrong, right?

Correct, one out of three ain't bad though...

When psychiatrists start agreeing with you, well, then perhaps you ought to reconsider your position: something may be wrong. The diagnosis of mental illness is always a weapon. ~ Dr. Jeffrey Schaler

originally posted by: Woodcarver
Medicine and mental health has an enormous body of work.

An enormous work of fiction would be more correct...

Psychiatrists had to invent their own book of diseases because pathologists would have nothing to do with them. It’s called The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders, the DSM, a great work of fiction. ~ Dr. Jeffrey Schaler

How do you know if you have fallen prey to the cult of 'Scientism'? Answer this question: Can you differentiate between the collective human understanding of 'how' things work in our material world, and the 'why' of how they came to be that way. (or even why it does what it does at all.) Those are two very different questions, that scientists, (who frequenty are very bad philosophers,) often get mixed up. Never forget that 'science' can be as abused for the sake of religious or anti-religious preconceptions as equally as the Bible can be, on both sides of a debate.

This becomes readily obvious when you investigate the unquestioned assumption that most Atheist-leaning scientists tenaciously hold on to as their 'modus operandi'. One way to state this foundational belief is: "Only statements that are verifiable through a scientific method can be held as truth, or objectively knowable."

Now anyone, who has taken a moment to study Epistemology, [the study of how rational thought might determine truth,] should immediately notice the logical fallacy of the above statement. And hopefully those with some common sense might spot it also.

Combating the cult of "Scientism."