Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

I like owels. in that same before mentioned "haunted" house i grew up in the backyard was undeveloped and over run with weeds and associated critters. we had a few great horned owels that would prey on them.

my bedroom had a balcony with a wrought iron banister that at night the owels would perch on and look down into my backyard for a treat.

on occasion they'd scare the crap out of me when I'd wake up in the middle of the night. the bed was a few feet from the balcony door which was a rickety old all glass pair of French doors. I'd wake up in the middle of the night and because it would get their attention the owel perched there would spin his head around and stare right at you through the glass with their piercing unblinking stare.

it was pretty spooky for a kid to witness alone in his dark bedroom in the middle of the night something like that being only a few feet from your bed. for a second you would think it's something else, then your brain would figure out that's not a monster or the boogie man that's a giant owel.

they were big too. saw one in broad daylight swoop off with the neighbors minerature terrier. flew with it somewhere up the canyon never to be seen again. we warned her not to let it in the back yard un accompanied even during the day citing, owels, coyotes and even rattlesnajes which were prevelent.

on occasion they would swoop down and pick up live rattlesnakes fly up in the air about 50 feet and drop them over and over again to stun them and soften them up. pretty mean. also pretty scary for the spectators. watch out its raining live rattlesnakes!

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Oh my word..that poor dog

a reply to: Raxoxane

the dog was the type that would yap all day and piss off the neighbourhood. but yeah poor little guy.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Oh that type is horribly annoying,still yes wow

We have some white owls around here, i saw one the other night swooping around,a large one. That's why i always keep our kittens inside till they're of a fair enough age to not be easily mistaken for prey.

To me it's a lovely soothing sound,especially on a cold winter night,to hear one hooting in a nearby tree,always loved that,since i was a kiddie.One of my best memories is myself and my daughter snuggling up when she was still a little one,one cold winter morning,we had this huge horned owl in the tree in our garden,and we were all cozy and snuggly and he was hooting away

Meditation - does it really matter what words/mantra you use? (although some sort of 'positiveness' in them i would assume is more helpful)

I can imagine that different 'religions/ways' say that different ones achieve different experiences but how much of that is just because we expect a slightly different experience by using different 'mantras'?

This is my roundabout way of asking advice on meditation

Love listening to our resident owls hooting to each other of an evening.

Well, here's one hell of a weird coincidence.

About a month ago my friend was saying how his wife didn't feel good. I was being a smart ass and said, "What, is she pregnant again?" He got pale and said, "Oh, god no!" His wife had just had a baby.

Well, guess what. His wife is pregnant!

originally posted by: johnb
Meditation - does it really matter what words/mantra you use? (although some sort of 'positiveness' in them i would assume is more helpful)

I can imagine that different 'religions/ways' say that different ones achieve different experiences but how much of that is just because we expect a slightly different experience by using different 'mantras'?

This is my roundabout way of asking advice on meditation

Love listening to our resident owls hooting to each other of an evening.

I'd say that there is some truth to "mantra sounds", but which ones to pick is another subject entirely. I'd say that certain sounds DO in fact affect different parts of the brain.. perhaps jump start a shift to theta waves or something.. I'm leaving alone any 'mystical' input on the subject at the moment.

I'm a fan of "moment by moment' use your brain differently during the day type meditation.. I suppose you could call that vipassna if you wished ('mindfulness meditation').. which probably is a fairly safe meditation.

I know most people think that all thought.. all meditation is 'safe' and I vociferously disagree with that.

But it is true, you have to go fairly hardcore to be dangerous with it.

Kev

a reply to: Skid Mark

Does your wolfie have a name?

Kev

a reply to: beansidhe

Did your great aunt throw rocks at the crow or leave treats? :-)

If my observation about 'souls' is correct, then a great majority of the composition of a soul would be of the very body of the trickster herself (form of a crow). This would be because the 'stomach' is one of the "brains" that people live out of more than even their 'brain', I'd say.

So from that perspective.. that would make that 'mythology' true-ish.

Kev

originally posted by: Raxoxane
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

That got my attention: as below,so above..

Although i don't think i mean it in the context you do,i have found that Earth does call to Sky. In my own personal journey,i have found,at times when i've lived incredibly close to Earth for extended periods,and yes,including literally playing in the mud (i love foraging for crystals and getting my hands into the soil itself) that there was a dramatic increase in sightings of ufo's,sky spirits and strange+wondrous sky /aerial phenomena. So for me personally,i have found in That specific context,Earth calls down Sky,if i'm expressing it correctly. Just a phrase that popped into my head in one of those periods.

That got you a star. I'd give you 10 if I could.

And no, I meant it precisely the same way.

You hit upon something nearly off the scale sublime.

Yes, literally... 100% literally.. the "Earth" does call to the "Sky".

That is a major part of how "Kundalini awakens'.

And it's how the "spirits" come to notice one.. if you start to care about "the Earth".. I don't mean "Gaia" or that the "Earth" is "sentient" though that is a topic for another day.. that is a complex subject.

Earth calls to sky. Sky calls to Earth. Humans are children of BOTH Sky and Earth. Sky and Earth are the "Two Lovers".

I do think that you are a natural.

Kev

originally posted by: beansidhe
a reply to: Raxoxane

I've got an owl here who utterly despises me.
It sits in a tree outside my house and screams violently when I go past it. I used to rebuke it, but it didn't do any good. I wonder who it is?

Can you somehow make friends with it?

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
The one in my avatar? The guys in the avatar creation thread designed it. I guess you could call it Shadow.

originally posted by: Skid Mark
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
The one in my avatar? The guys in the avatar creation thread designed it. I guess you could call it Shadow.

I was hoping you had a story about a real wolf or German Sheppard or something..

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thanks very much Kev - i tend to often second-guess myself,but on that one the correlation between the 2 was just impossible for me to misinterpret

originally posted by: Raxoxane
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thanks very much Kev - i tend to often second-guess myself,but on that one the correlation between the 2 was just impossible for me to misinterpret

Your welcome.

The reason "as above, so below" doesn't work, is that it's an excuse to create lame bull feces out of thin air, and then try to manipulate the minds of men and the Earth any way you like, to 'get your egoic way".

"As above, so below" is the very essence of failed religion, theology, theosophy, hermetics even.

On the other hand, "as below, so above" is actually workable no matter what! It means you start by observing nature, which can lead to science. Then you take these relatively true lessons, and then you MAY be able to apply that to "above". Even if your theory is incorrect, it's much more likely to be correct; and even if it's wrong, you can still fall back on science.

It's pure win-win.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: beansidhe
a reply to: Raxoxane

I've got an owl here who utterly despises me.
It sits in a tree outside my house and screams violently when I go past it. I used to rebuke it, but it didn't do any good. I wonder who it is?

Can you somehow make friends with it?

Kev

I've burned my bridges, I'm afraid; Raxoxane's vision was pretty accurate.
I've called it too many names and there's no way on this earth I'm apologising to it. I also noticed a bit of chewed squirrel on the road earlier, that I'm fairly certain fell victim to that idiot. It would need to pull off something pretty spectacular for a friendship to develop now (like apologise).

I'm ignoring it for now in case it gets any smart ideas a la Baddog's scalp-tearing Redwing.


My great aunt loved that crow, by the way - it was called George, just like her husband.

If my observation about 'souls' is correct, then a great majority of the composition of a soul would be of the very body of the trickster herself (form of a crow). This would be because the 'stomach' is one of the "brains" that people live out of more than even their 'brain', I'd say. So from that perspective.. that would make that 'mythology' true-ish.

I have never begun to contemplate the composition of a soul, but it seems like a wonderful thing to contemplate. All I could add to that is that we spend a lot of lives acting on 'gut feelings', responding to 'butterflies' etc that teach us that we respond to our stomach brains very much.

a reply to: Skid Mark

Hey! Congratulations to your friends, that's brilliant news.

a reply to: beansidhe

Our 'head brain' is critical obviously...but it's those other brains which plug us into Everything.

One might even call Melissa the 'human group soul'...and that explains the deep connection people have with archetypes and myth.

Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

many thanks

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

That bit about the two lovers is beautiful. And i think earth is conscious. Not human or animal like, but as trees, slower and ... well different.

As above so below, as within so without. The magicians amen.