The Aliens are Silent because They're Dead

originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: seagull

My conjecture file overfloweth! 😊😊

Some of US are IN THE know.

originally posted by: SpecialSauce
a reply to: gortex

Yesterday Scientists weren't sure how many planets are in our solar system and today they know there is no alien life.

LOL that is awesome! Perfect analogy to describe the truth about academia and what is publicly spoken of, or parroted rather, by common folks as well, perhaps some common folks feel more comfortable this way by aligning themselves to those in authority, as if those authorities will somehow know they are being supported, and then reward the common man by including them in the invisibly accepted club. At least it keeps the government funding coming their way, and staves off ridicule.

what about a natural evolution in the beginning created a race that created us

after they evolved billions of years before seeding planet earth?

I have been saying this all along. (Bump.)

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: SpecialSauce
a reply to: gortex

Yesterday Scientists weren't sure how many planets are in our solar system and today they know there is no alien life.

LOL that is awesome! Perfect analogy to describe the truth about academia and what is publicly spoken of, or parroted rather, by common folks as well, perhaps some common folks feel more comfortable this way by aligning themselves to those in authority, as if those authorities will somehow know they are being supported, and then reward the common man by including them in the invisibly accepted club. At least it keeps the government funding coming their way, and staves off ridicule.

WOW, that is quite the statement, NOT SURE on how many planets, but yet THEY KNOW their is NO alien life forms. REALLY. Anyone have any deep waders ? Don't all jump off the cliff at once. The fall doesn't hurt, it is the sudden stop at the bottom.

Yes indeed,
I believe that was sarcasm directed at these scientists who didn't know about our extra planets, but yet can make bold flat statements that there is no other life out there. Or that no one is coming here. They don't even know everything that is at the bottom of the oceans, and so many other things about our own planet, but yet make bold flat and naive claims about there being no life out there or coming here when there are millions of sightings, thousands of documents, and credible testimony saying otherwise.

But these scientists know who butters their bread, and so that is the true motivation for these kinds of things coming out.

I've often wondered about this.

Our galaxy is a very big place...and our galaxy is just 1 in billions that are out here.

And in our own galaxy all by itself, there are so many billions of stars and planets, I can understand the thought: There is just too much out there. Surely someone else is there?

As has been mentioned, there is another thing to factor in: Time

There has been so much time to allow for so many things that could happen that could snuff out any intelligent life that may have been near us.

Think about it now. What if the asteroid that hit 65 million years ago and helped wipe the dinos off the face of the Earth had hit say, back in 1550 AD ?

What if there were a Hyper Nova just 20 light years from Earth?

What if there were a GRB just a few light years from Earth?

Now....that's just space trying to kill us off. What about ourselves?

A super pandemic that has a 99 percent fatality rate?

A super volcano erupting? How about two at the same time?

Global Thermal Nuclear Warfare?

Biological Warfare?

Imagination is the limit here. So many go on about how many planets there are in our galaxy alone, and that number should be proof enough....

However I say: For the number of planets you come up with, I can also come up with a reason that life either never got started very well, or something came along and snuffed it out before it could get out to the stars.

Intelligent life may not be a rare thing......but what might be rare is it surviving long enough to leave their home stars and travel outward.

For all we know there might be a huge Galactic Federation of hundreds of alien species on the far side of our galaxy from us.
And we might live in the "desert" area of the galaxy...not a whole lot here, and no one has gotten out this far yet. Think about your science fiction shows and books. A lot of "FTL drives" might get you to the closest stars around you in a few hours, but takes hundreds of years to go from one end of the galaxy to the other.

Again, It might not be that intelligent life developing is rare....just it surviving long enough to get anywhere might be.

Let's face it: Space is dangerous......as life itself can be to.

a reply to: gortex
Interesting theory. It could also be that there is life but it's no advanced technologically enough to be detected.

a reply to: NewzNose

Mine, too.

a reply to: operayt

Well then, let's have some of the PROOF.

Convince me. I seldom, if ever, since I turned 10, believe something just because someone says they are in "the know". I've lost count of the number of people who have come here saying that, or words to that effect.

Lay it on us, my friend.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: operayt

Well then, let's have some of the PROOF.

Convince me. I seldom, if ever, since I turned 10, believe something just because someone says they are in "the know". I've lost count of the number of people who have come here saying that, or words to that effect.

Lay it on us, my friend.

Sadly, the only thing that can be laid on you is your own personal witnessing of ET, and hopefully, maybe you will get to see a real close up craft of high strangeness and operability, that it can only be explained as ET once you see a real one in action.
Of course, some might just say it's a matter of perspective and could still be man made. But once you see a real in your face super scary one in action, that is humongous and leaves you with missing time, or very strange super powers like x-ray vision or telepathy, you just might not believe it, until it happens. No better way than personal experience to express reality to someone.

originally posted by: roadgravel

How did the first life form come into existence?

Well that is my question in if the universe has been here forever can new life start or is it always seeded? The poster I was saying this to is saying that everything has been here forever so there is no start, so my question went the direction of can life start without a seed.

originally posted by: eriktheawful
However I say: For the number of planets you come up with, I can also come up with a reason that life either never got started very well, or something came along and snuffed it out before it could get out to the stars.

Intelligent life may not be a rare thing......but what might be rare is it surviving long enough to leave their home stars and travel outward.

The problem is people say "life" and what they mean is species. Life is damn hard to wipe out, but species come and go all the time. A species is extremely fragile and we could have another life wipe on planet earth just to see a whole new direction in species in a billion years, just like we see with life today that started 1.6 billion years ago.

originally posted by: Skid Mark
a reply to: gortex
Interesting theory. It could also be that there is life but it's no advanced technologically enough to be detected.

Aye. This is one that we can't rule out right now. There could be many worlds at a similar level to us now or even palaeolithic. If they're more than a hundred or so light years away, we'd be unable to detect any signals. I notice some of the exoplanets are hundreds and thousands of light years away and could, hypothetically, have civs at a greater level of technology than we are right now.

We wouldn't detect them whilst we're looking into their distant history...

When we refine the techniques/technology for spectral analysis of atmospheres, we could find signature levels of artificial pollutants. It's going to be the next step past looking for signals and widens the search to include any societies large enough to impact the atmosphere of their world/s. Who knows? In twenty years our skies might have lit up with arrays identifying a Christmas tree of worlds showing evidence of smokestacks and smelting. I hope so.

a reply to: gortex

"The mystery of why we haven't yet found signs of aliens...
www.sciencedaily.com...

The only mystery I see here is why anyone actually takes people like this Dr Chopra seriously.

I mean we're talking L Ron Hubbard material here...

This sounds much more like Scientology than it does science.

And the only reason "we" haven't found signs of aliens is because they AREN'T aliens.

Just try telling an abductee that they were kidnapped and molested by a "dead alien" and see how that works out for yah...

a reply to: Kandinsky
It makes me think of an episode of the original Star Trek series called A Piece of the Action. In the episode, Kirk and company end up on a planet that resembles 1920s or so earth.

originally posted by: Skid Mark
a reply to: Kandinsky
It makes me think of an episode of the original Star Trek series called A Piece of the Action. In the episode, Kirk and company end up on a planet that resembles 1920s or so earth.

Totally. With space being so effing huge and dark, we can speculate to our heart's content on abundant life, no life or very weird and rare life. Anything goes and if we can hang our ideas on a shred of intellectual sense, they will fly.

Incidentally, the thread title is the best this year imo. It's like a movie script or sci-fi novel waiting to be made. Outstanding

a reply to: Kandinsky

Incidentally, the thread title is the best this year imo. It's like a movie script or sci-fi novel waiting to be made.

It actually reminds me of Stephen King's The Tommy Knockers. I don't want to give too much of the story line away in case someone hasn't read it. I don't want to ruin it but it does feature dead aliens and the disastrous effects it has on the small town where the crashed UFO they are in is found.

I can't remember the last time I created a transmitter capable of sending a signal across the vastness of space and time to my alien buddies ... oh wait ... yes I can. It was never ago. And, while I may not be very smart, I unfortunately fall into that category of 'intelligent being.' You really smart folks will just have to forgive me for being part of your species.

We're not intercepting alien communications. Either we don't recognize the communication ... or it is not occurring. No evidence is simply that. There is no evidence others are with us in the universe. Until that evidence is developed, we are utterly alone.

What's so hard about accepting what is as plain as day? Next thing you know you'll be asking me to believe you ... because I have to. Somebody might even write a book people will worship a couple hundred years from now. I'll probably have a part in it where I'm referred to as Doubting Snarl.

a reply to: OneGoal

To some of us, that paradox is nothing, but a lie. Lack of evidence? Some of us have eyes and brains to record our encounters

If you have recorded an encounter with an Alien I'd be interested to see it.

Ever wonder why someone comes to you and says they got hit by a car and you believe them, but when someone says they met aliens, you block out the legitimacy of their encounter or experience

I'd believe them because I know cars exist , they have a long and well documented history on this planet.