Handguns are illegal in Germany, but this is how some people celebrated NewYear in Berlin

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: 8675309jenny

It's still wrong. Handguns are not illegal in Germany.
www.loc.gov...

So, I guess you should change it to "This is how some people celebrated NewYear in Berlin."

Not so catchy as your first one.

Don't be obtuse Phage, you're better than that.

The only people who can get a handgun permit in Germany are threatened public personalities, and/or their security officers.

Für 99.9% von intents and purposes, handguns are defacto banned in Deutschland.

originally posted by: svetlana84



On a side note, i find it quite interesting that normally the tenor on guns here on ATS is: The more the better, because freedoms. Every weekend about 50 people are shot in chicago alone.

But some guys, which are clearly speaking german (try to learn it it will take years, i am speaking from experience)
running around with gas-pistols are problematic.

I absolutely support gun rights, but I support those rights for RESPONSIBLE gun owners, not the idiots in Los Angeles, or the morons in Berlin doing things like this video!

RESPONSIBLE gun ownership works fine in Switzerland, or even many Eastern European countries, Finland too.

It's a shame that Germany, generally a nation of very responsible people who adhere to rules and systems, has to be so restricted in gun rights because of people like in the video who act ridiculously.

a reply to: 8675309jenny

It is pretty clear these people are scum. Not to paint everyone with the same brush but it is just obvious. Here in the UK there are many places that I used to go to that was clean and very calm place to visit and walk around, now however I have been to those areas recently and its not only busy and unfriendly but the streets are so dirty. Bags of rubbish left in the street, horribly kept shop fronts with curtains not being washed and just left to hang out the windows and food cartons left all over the side walk.

and it is all from Arab origins, I know this because its the only people that live there.

Then we look at these videos and see how they act within a few days, it is pretty clear that these people have no clue.

They are disgusting people.

a reply to: 8675309jenny

That´s wrong.

You can get a blank or a pyrostarter if you´re over 18. You are allowed to use it on your property.
You can get a carry permit for those, too, if you have the small weapons license, then you can carry it in public (using is another topic).

You can get a pistol or almost any non-war-type rifle to use at sport events or for collecting, if you can proof regular training and at least 1 year in a shooting club. Additionally to that, you can apply for a weapons carry license. That would be the one you were talking about and it´s not just for officials, it´s also for everyone, if you can proof the need.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverseShow evidence those guns in the video were simply blanks. Another member already shown a German girl was hit by a bullet from a handgun, showing that people in Germany do use guns during New Year's celebrations.

The burden of proof lies with the accuser, not the accused.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverseKnives were originally intended mostly to kill, same as wood sticks. Should knives, and all wood sticks be banned because originally they were intended to kill?

Some knives - yes. And they are, here in Europe. Also, knives (or their predecessors) were mostly used to kill animals, scrape their skins clean, cut hair, cut vegetables, stuff like that. It's exactly because they mainly have a household use and aren't intended to kill people that they are still widely available to the public. But yes, some knives are regarded to be lethal weapons in Europe and their use is strictly regulated too. But you are allowed to use kitchen knives, which are not intended to kill humans.

BTW, if guns were intended mainly to kill then millions of people should die a year in the U.S. alone.

Well, it aren't millions, but many thousands.

There are several million guns owned in the U.S. yet you don't see millions of people killed... So, your assumption is once again wrong. Not to mention, are all people who are shot killed?... No... People are also hurt, but not killed by guns...

So, let me get this clear: you believe that an utensil, whose only and ONLY purpose is to hurt or kill people - should be generally available?

Fine chap you are..

originally posted by: SpongeBeard

originally posted by: 8675309jenny

You can take a Wolf out of the wild; you can't take the wild out of the Wolf.
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Pretty sure that's what a dog is. You can't group all refugees into this category no matter how much of a bigot you are. The world is not black and white.

No, Wolf is a wolf. They're are wild dogs duh!! You can NOT get a wild Wolf to lose its natural Wolf attitude no matter how hard you try through breeding.

If they tried that crap in America they would all be arrested or shot. Nobody is being a Bigot. Apparently you did not see all the so called families who stayed with their Terrorist men in Falluja after the Marines warned them days ahead of time to leave.

They are not innocent refugees who are all showing up with mostly military aged men in nice new clothes and wads of cash on them who then get hand outs from the European government that the every day suffering Europeans cant.

These are terrorist from Turkey!!! Pure and simple. Turkey hasn't just asked for money from Europe, they have demanded Europe take these terrorist in. Europe originally said no but then Turkey threatened them. Turkey has taken in some Refugees but these are not the same people.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

An update about the 11 year old girl who got killed - THIS HAPPENEND ON NYE, BUT NOWAY NEAR BERLIN:

The alleged killer (or manslaughter) was arrested. 23 year old Justizbeamter,
i don't know how that translates correctly, software says attorney general or justice officer.
Anyway, somebody working for the justice department.

Fodder for false-flag theory!?

Source in german: KSTA

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

It does not need a starter, you shoot different ammunitions with it. CS, pepper, even brass, the flame that comes out of the barrel can be up to 50cm long. They are cheap made pistols even from the big brands. It´s called "schreckschuss", there is no word for it in english. It means "scare-shot" roughly translated.

There are different startes (single, 4x) for greater effects. The fire that comes out of the barrel ignites the signal ammo that is rotated in front of the barrel.

I´m not saying there was not a real gun there, but you can´t tell it from that video.

I´m from Germany, btw.

Ok nr.1 Guns are ligall in Germany I am from Germany u just need a licence and number 2 they use also use emergency guns they light up

a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

No they are not it is split 50/50 male and female stop falling for fox and yes people are being blinded by bigotry.
If the shoe fits...

a reply to: BlackProject
I find racist bigots more disgusting when they lump everyone in the same boat.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: BlackProject
I find racist bigots more disgusting when they lump everyone in the same boat.

If you mean factual events and changes happening around us due to a foreign body clearly making it so, then sorry to give you a wake up call.

People like yourself who use the racist card just seem a little, well, weak.

originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: 8675309jenny

Additionally to that, you can apply for a weapons carry license. That would be the one you were talking about and it´s not just for officials, it´s also for everyone, if you can proof the need.

"prove the need"........ Therein lies the problem my friend. Who gets to make the decision whether I NEED something or not?

And therein lies the classic problem with "from each according to his ability; to each according to his need"

WHO DECIDES NEED??

Perhaps I have nine children and claim disability because of severe depression and anxiety. But my neighbor only has one child, both he and his wife work, he is a Mechanical engineer, she is a professor.

The socialist utopian system penalizes contributing more to the world, and rewards irresponsible leeches.

This is why reunification was such a difficult process for Germany, because the hardcore socialism of the DDR had broken peoples spirit to better themselves. Many people didn't even care to try anymore since doing something better got no reward.

Please don't take this as a personal insult to you or your country. I have many friends and family in Germany and have visited Deutschland more than any other country! I love the place, so maybe that's why it makes me very upset to see what such a great nation has been subjected to!


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originally posted by: 8675309jennyWHO DECIDES NEED??

I'm happy to see this thread has been moved to the proper forum.

My answer to your question would be: 'the people'. Society consists of people, people have basic needs, basic needs are agreed upon by the overwhelming majority of the people. You need food, clothes, housing, education, healthcare, transport, to be treated with dignity and have the sense of purpose. There are of course various UN resolutions, international Laws, national Laws and regulation to reflect this. But the overwhelming majority of the people agree on these basic needs.

Short answer hence: we all do.

Perhaps I have nine children and claim disability because of severe depression and anxiety. But my neighbor only has one child, both he and his wife work, he is a Mechanical engineer, she is a professor.

Well, if you insist on having nine children - you are free to have them. If you don't want children, likewise. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion, other than that our planet is overpopulated as it is already. Also, if a family of 12 has one member that "burdens society" because he or she is ill, that will be or is compensated by the fact that there are 11 others in that family that mostly either now or in the future will contribute to society.

The socialist utopian system penalizes contributing more to the world, and rewards irresponsible leeches.

There there. Now now.

Sit down, relax, have a cuppa. One day you might find yourself in the position to be old or sick or left alone. Or at worst all of that. You'd need help. Socialists try to ensure that you GET that help. It's not a privilege - we are all entitled to it. We are all fragile and worthless without the others. It is the deep realisation that you on your own are nothing but fresh meat for the next wild animal that lies at the base of socialism. We need to stand together and all have the same rights - under the Law. Give as much as you can to society, take what you need. Nothing wrong with that.

This is why reunification was such a difficult process for Germany, because the hardcore socialism of the DDR had broken peoples spirit to better themselves. Many people didn't even care to try anymore since doing something better got no reward.

You clearly don't know much about the DDR. I do. I can assure you that the DDR had a well thought out system that rewarded people for their contributions. It worked quite well too, the DDR was the most succesful economy in the Eastern block. Their system focused on a more gradual, planned growth. It was a succesful society. The fact that other parts of the world had stronger economies does not mean that theirs was to be neglected.

a reply to: 8675309jenny
No word about how you are wrong! You gently skip that part and then you come to a political rant.

Your thread title is not correct.
Again, handguns are not illegal in Germany.

It´s not a problem, only if you want to "collect" them, you need a sort of "theme" for your collection. Simple as that. If you want to shoot them, go to a shooting club for a year (12 trainings or 18 if you´re not training regulary) and you can have your handgun, even two or three and a rifle if you want. People under 25 have to undergo a medicinal psychologic exam to get it.

What you have at the end is that people that can buy guns, have trained with them beforehand.

You just can´t carry it around with ammo in the mag. But why would I need to? I still can transport it in my car with the clips locked up seperatly if I need it. Germany is a safe place, police shot under 100 bullets last year, crime rate is low.

Instead of accepting what I wrote as fact, you wash away my post and go on a rant about socialist utopian systems.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Did you even bother to read the thread?

They are firing blanks and flare guns, which are completely legal without requiring registering or licence... Its a minor offence to use them in public, but as we have learnt from Germans in this thread its extremely normal occurrence in German cities on NYE.

The OP completely faced palmed he's OP by claiming this was newly arrived refugees turning the streets of Germany into a war zone... At least he got his 37 flags before the whole premise of the OP was debunked.

Did you? There were reports of projectiles hitting things, which means live rounds, not blanks. The footage also clearly showed Middle Eastern men doing this; not Germans. Not exactly the same looks there, you know. I know, because I DO look German, and actually lived there for a time. And, no, that isn't normal. Never heard of such a thing while there.

originally posted by: svetlana84
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Asking, why now one was arrested shows that you have no idea about Berlin.

Berlin is a melting pot. Throughout history this city had so many changes.
It survived the world wars, was occupied by the allies. It was divided into east and west.

It got united again. The population is a wild mix of different cultures.
Westgermans, eastgermans, a big turkish community, a big kurdish community.
Foreigners from all over the world living there.
A lot of radical groups as well from antifascist groups to neonazis, from turkish grey wolves to kurdish freedom fighters, it would take hours to name all groups there. These groups take their fight to the streets.

They fight each other, but when cops show up, they unite against the common enemy; the cops.


This all is governed by a openly gay mayor. The city is dead broke. Litterally.
It's a rough place, it s a place with more freedom than any other german city.

I know plenty about it. I lived in Germany for a few years. Claiming that someone doesn't know anything, because no one was arrested for criminal activity, is a foolish stance to take. Plus, are you stating that breaking the law is a normal result from a "melting pot" society? Interesting. Also, it isn't "freedom" to live in lawlessness. It's anarchy. No one is free under such conditions.