Handguns are illegal in Germany, but this is how some people celebrated NewYear in Berlin

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Then you went on about how in the U.S. is so much different and make more assumptions that people are falling left and right from stray bullets during New Year's eve.

Please show where I made such an assumption.

At least one German girl was killed by a stray bullet from a handgun in 2016 New year's eve.

How do you know it was a stray bullet? But I'm not sure of your point. Randomly firing guns is stupid. I said that.

So even if the police didn't respond to immigrants, or anyone else shooting guns, it doesn't mean that no guns were used.

Please show where I said that. I said that the "guns" in the video were not guns.

originally posted by: 8675309jenny
Thread title has been changed per my request.

Over here it reads "Handguns are illegal in Germany, but this is how some people celebrated NewYear in Berlin"

Now, that title is almost as misleading as the one that reported "1,000+ Migrants Rape, Rob, and Brawl, At ONE German Train Station On New Year’s Eve.".

Get your facts straight, it should read "Handguns are strictly regulated in Germany. Blank guns are allowed, this is how some people celebrate New Year in Berlin".

Not really exciting then, is it? The truth can be dull..

originally posted by: 8675309jenny
a reply to: ForteanOrgSo, it's simple: ban cars - get rid of car related accidents.

Indeed!

But - there is a minor, but important difference: cars are not intended to kill people. Guns are.

originally posted by: Phage
Please show where I made such an assumption.

lol... Really?... It was all over your earlier responses... From claiming that the weapons used were starter firearms, to then claiming in the U.S. is so much different with people dying form such unfortunate accidents...

originally posted by: Phage
How do you know it was a stray bullet? But I'm not sure of your point. Randomly firing guns is stupid. I said that.

The police in Germany are saying it was a random shooting. They don't mention whomever shot the weapon, but they did state.

German police: Young girl shot dead was random victim
2016-01-03 21:27

Berlin - German police say an 11-year-old girl who was killed on New Year's Day appears to have been a random shooting victim.

The unidentified girl was struck in the head by a bullet on Friday while she was out on the street with adults and other children in the town Oberaurach, north of Nuremberg.
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While fireworks are commonly used in Germany during New Year's celebrations, live bullets aren't usually fired.
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www.news24.com...

They do not rule out it was an accident from New Year's eve. I hate talking about this... She was out with adults, and other children during new year's celebrations, so other people were around her. If she had been shoot at an angle relatively parallel to the ground with so many people around, at least someone else should have been hit by the same bullet. But there is no mention of anyone else getting hit by the bullet. Which makes it more possible she was hit while the bullet was falling down due to gravity, which would have only hit her.

originally posted by: Phage
Please show where I said that. I said that the "guns" in the video were not guns.

Please show real evidence those "guns" were not "guns." Showing a video of someone's collection of fake guns is not evidence those in the video are the same type of weapon...

originally posted by: ForteanOrg
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Get your facts straight, it should read "Handguns are strictly regulated in Germany. Blank guns are allowed, this is how some people celebrate New Year in Berlin".

Not really exciting then, is it? The truth can be dull..

Show evidence those guns in the video were simply blanks. Another member already shown a German girl was hit by a bullet from a handgun, showing that people in Germany do use guns during New Year's celebrations.

originally posted by: ForteanOrg

Indeed!

But - there is a minor, but important difference: cars are not intended to kill people. Guns are.

Knives were originally intended mostly to kill, same as wood sticks. Should knives, and all wood sticks be banned because originally they were intended to kill?

BTW, if guns were intended mainly to kill then millions of people should die a year in the U.S. alone. There are several million guns owned in the U.S. yet you don't see millions of people killed... So, your assumption is once again wrong. Not to mention, are all people who are shot killed?... No... People are also hurt, but not killed by guns...

a reply to: ForteanOrg

Now, that title is almost as misleading as the one that reported "1,000+ Migrants Rape, Rob, and Brawl, At ONE German Train Station On New Year’s Eve.".

What part was misleading again?

Get your facts straight, it should read "Handguns are strictly regulated in Germany. Blank guns are allowed, this is how some people celebrate New Year in Berlin".

Is it allowed to fire blankguns in public? And you mean how a very specific group of people celebrate new year in Berlin.


Also, you know damn well that firing even a blankgun in public like that in our country would be a definite no no. In any other context you would be condemning stuff like this.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

It was all over your earlier responses.

You mean like here?

Yes. It's unlikely that a bullet will hit someone. But they do.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
To you that sounds like this?

Then you went on about how in the U.S. is so much different and make more assumptions that people are falling left and right from stray bullets during New Year's eve.

The police in Germany are saying it was a random shooting.

Yes. Based on the information they have, which is scant.

Thank you for highlighting that part of the article though,

While fireworks are commonly used in Germany during New Year's celebrations, live bullets aren't usually fired.

That's pretty much what I thought the situation was.

Please show real evidence those "guns" were not "guns." Showing a video of someone's collection of fake guns is not evidence those in the video are the same type of weapon...

Except that the use of such toys on New Years Eve is common. But have it your way. Assume they were firing real guns. Assume that the quote you provided above is inaccurate. Assume that the perps would be all too happy to tell a "reporter" all about it, on video. You win. They were shooting real guns.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

ElectricUniverse, the tragic story with 11 year old girl happenend in Unterschleichach/Oberaurach in Bavaria, a tiny town of 4000 people.
Noway near Berlin, it s not even in the same state (Bundesland) like Berlin.

So...?


On a side note, i find it quite interesting that normally the tenor on guns here on ATS is: The more the better, because freedoms. Every weekend about 50 people are shot in chicago alone.

But some guys, which are clearly speaking german (try to learn it it will take years, i am speaking from experience)
running around with gas-pistols are problematic.


Addition, here's a source in german: norbayern.de




And another link for chicago: Second weekenend 50 people shot chicago

originally posted by: Phage
They are not guns. They are the equivalent of starter's pistols. No bullets, though some shoot fireworks. This guy has a collection. Go to 9:17 and 16:22 for a look down the muzzle.

On the other hand here in the good ol' USofA.

Los Angeles has a long history with celebratory gunfire, which is most common on July 4 and December 31. It’s unclear when, exactly, the trend began, but LAPD officers who spoke to Newsweek said they’ve dealt with it for the duration of their careers.

www.newsweek.com...

That post of yours above shows, first, you claim those guns used in the video are all fake guns, but at 0:31 in the video shown in the op you see a man using a gun without the extender used in starter-guns as seen used by some in the first part of the video in the op.

(video given in the op by ATS member 8675309jenny)

So it does look like some of them could be real guns. Second, just like in the U.S. in Germany people can be injured/killed by stray bullets shot upwards during New Year's celebration.

It also shows that you then went on to bash at how "evil Americans use guns"...

originally posted by: svetlana84

ElectricUniverse, the tragic story with 11 year old girl happenend in Unterschleichach/Oberaurach in Bavaria, a tiny town of 4000 people.
Noway near Berlin, it s not even in the same state (Bundesland) like Berlin.

So...?

It is still Germany isn't? it does show people in Germany do use real guns during New Year's eve celebrations.

originally posted by: svetlana84
On a side note, i find it quite interesting that normally the tenor on guns here on ATS is: The more the better, because freedoms. Every weekend about 50 people are shot in chicago alone.

Yeah, and on the side note cities like Chicago have the strictest gun control laws in the U.S.... Yet these are the places in the U.S. with the most people being killed by guns which are banned or heavily restricted...

originally posted by: svetlana84
But some guys, which are clearly speaking german (try to learn it it will take years, i am speaking from experience)
running around with gas-pistols are problematic.

At 31 seconds in the video of the op you can see a gun without the extender used in starter guns. So it is not a starter gun, and it did shoot bullets.

originally posted by: svetlana84
And another link for chicago: Second weekenend 50 people shot chicago

Yeah... Again, Chicago which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the U.S.... Same as New York... But of course those like you either don't know this, or simply ignore these facts.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

At 31 seconds in the video of the op you can see a gun without the extender used in starter guns. So it is not a starter gun, and it did shoot bullets.

Please provide evidence that bullets were being fired. But first review the video I posted earlier and note that there is no "extender" and that the muzzle is plugged.

It also shows that you then went on to bash at how "evil Americans use guns"...

Nope. I never said that. You keep making stuff up.

I never bashed Americans or guns. Just people who do stupid stuff. Stupidity comes in all nationalities. It's stupid to shoot real guns randomly. It's also stupid to use fireworks without discretion. Doesn't matter where you happen to be.

originally posted by: Phage
Please provide evidence. But first review the video I posted earlier and note that there is no "extender" and that the muzzle is plugged.

Please provide evidence the gun seen at 31 seconds in the op is not real, and not claims.

originally posted by: Phage
Nope. Stupidity comes in all nationalities.

You went from showing a video of starter guns implying all guns used in the op were the same, and then went on to show an article talking about some people in the U.S. who get hit/killed during New year's eve with real firearms... So, yes, you did try to derail the thread and tried to "show what those evil Americans do with their second amendment right"... I am paraphrasing you since you seem to believe that ATS members showing crimes from Muslim radicals must be racists claiming all Muslims are the same. So you must be "anti-American"...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Please provide evidence it is not, and not claims.

Ah yes. The demand that a negative be proven. Very good.

So, yes, you did try to derail the thread and tried to "show what those evil Americans do with their second amendment right"

No. I tried to show that stupid actions know no nationality.

I am paraphrasing you since you seem to believe that ATS members showing crimes from Muslim radicals must be racists claiming all Muslims are the same.

No, you are trying to completely change my point, and failing. Either that or you are so hell bent on your agenda that you missed the point entirely.

So you must be "anti-American"...

Nope. Just anti-stupid.

originally posted by: Phage
Ah yes. The demand that a negative be proven. Very good.

Didn't you do exactly the same thing?... You claim that some starter guns do not have extender hence the gun at 31 seconds must be a starter gun, which is no proof.

originally posted by: Phage
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Nope. Just anti-stupid.

lol, who actually has an agenda is the same person who went from claiming those guns in the op video are all starter guns, and then claimed: "On the other hand here in the good ol' USofA." people being hit/killed during New year's eve in the U.S. with firearms...

You ignored the fact that people in Germany are also killed by guns in New Year's eve,, and tried to derail the thread to "those evil Americans"...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Didn't you do exactly the same thing?

Yes. Because, after demanding proof that they were fake, you stated that they were firing bullets. Until you made that claim I asked for no evidence that they were firing bullets (which is not the same as asking for evidence of a negative). You can dish it out but can't take it?

You ignored the fact that people in Germany are also killed by guns in New Year's eve,, and tried to derail the thread to "those evil Americans"...

No. I didn't ignore it, I addressed it. Nor did I tried to derail the thread. I just tried to bring some rationality to it. Now, I understand that some here on ATS are averse to rational discussion but I don't think it qualifies as derailment. Here, more stupid people on New Year's Eve? Happy now? I'm an equal opportunity stupid people critic.

a reply to: Phage

Yet you claimed that because some starter guns don't have extenders, then by definition any and all guns without extenders must be "starter guns" if we don't see them hitting a target, according to your logic.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Phage

Yet you claimed that because some starter guns don't have extenders, then by definition any and all guns without extenders must be "starter guns" according to your logic.

Um. No. You claimed that because the guns in the video did not have "extenders" they are real guns. I pointed out your error.

originally posted by: Phage
Um. No. You claimed that because the guns in the video did not have "extenders" they are real guns. I pointed out your error.

Um. No, you assumed that because the other weapons look like starter guns, then the one without extender must also be a starter gun.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Ah. You are a mind reader then. My assumption is actually based on a number of factors, all of which I have stated. But I'm really bored with this now. So, I accept your claim that they were firing live ammunition. Which is stupid. Just as it's stupid everywhere else (including the US) to randomly fire live ammunition.