All this anti Muslim propaganda is having an effect...

a reply to: theonenonlyone

So much hate in this world and usually directed at wrong people...
Muslim- Owned Cafe Defaced With Nazi Graffiti, Then Firebombed

I'm curious: who are the "right" people to direct hate to?

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
Are you saying being prudent about who you allow in your country is aiding ISIS?

I don't know how you got that out of what I said... I said the fear of and hatred of Muslims supports ISIS.

Forgive me for not including both of your quotes in my post. I read them both and was responding, more honestly, reacting to both, but as this is the quote that sparked my reaction, I was remiss not to include it.

One has to be WILLING to be afraid and willing to hate to let the MSM and people like Trump affect their opinions and emotions.

I don't think people are being willfully afraid in their response to the terrorist attacks. I think they know these attacks are being done by people that hate them, and they know these people have strong ties to organizations overseas. Some may even know those organizations are in the ME.

They may not be able to point these areas out to you on a map, or even be able to tell you if President Obama is a Democrat or a Republican, but they can tell you that they feel their country and their way of life is under attack.

Now that may be partly due to the way the Media and our controllers are handling our programming, but I just don't agree that anyone is being afraid willingly. If you hear a loud boom go off behind you, your response is automatic. You do not respond willfully, your actions after identifying the source and your level of danger, may be willful.

Until the people are able to determine what their level of danger is, I don't think it fair to say they are being willfully afraid.

Of course my opinion holds no more water than yours, and I will admit that am one of those people that thinks we should err on the side of caution. This is not just the opinion of some willfully afraid, Muslim hating people; some Muslims also feel that being prudent would be a wise action at this particular moment in time.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Muslims are part 2 of this media play.
First it was BLM and then it was how it spread through the college system.
"Micro-aggressions" and "institutional racism" and "White privilege" making Whites feel isolated and under attack.
Then came the Muslim immigration issue right after Europe is thrown in to turmoil over it.
Call it bigotry or racism if you like but it is a self-defense instinct kicking in that says anything too foreign is probably dangerous - and in the case of Muslims has been shown true multiple times (Tx attacks, San Bernardino, Paris. etc).

Better safe than sorry is the mindset of many.
There are few genuine war refugees anyways, most are economic opportunists and young men, not families fleeing war.

I am begining to think it is a lost cause to try to talk sense to most of the lefties.

They are too blinded by their ideologies.

There is no reason left in them.

originally posted by: forkedtongue

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Muslims are part 2 of this media play.
First it was BLM and then it was how it spread through the college system.
"Micro-aggressions" and "institutional racism" and "White privilege" making Whites feel isolated and under attack.
Then came the Muslim immigration issue right after Europe is thrown in to turmoil over it.
Call it bigotry or racism if you like but it is a self-defense instinct kicking in that says anything too foreign is probably dangerous - and in the case of Muslims has been shown true multiple times (Tx attacks, San Bernardino, Paris. etc).

Better safe than sorry is the mindset of many.
There are few genuine war refugees anyways, most are economic opportunists and young men, not families fleeing war.

I am begining to think it is a lost cause to try to talk sense to most of the lefties.

They are too blinded by their ideologies.

There is no reason left in them.

Well judging by your attitude and opinions the "lefties" will be quite pleased if you stop speaking to them in my opinion.

a reply to: forkedtongue

Americans dont need to change to appease the muslims.

I hope they dont like how we act, I hope it ecourages all of them to stay out of America.

Is fire bombing a cafe an acceptable way to act to another innocent human being in your eyes? Is that how the average American citizen should act? If this is your view you are no different than those you are preaching about.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: forkedtongue

I want nothing to do with the gay killing, woman raping beating muslims.

And if you think that they are all that way, then YOU are the problem.

They are doing it by by demanding and promoting multiculturalism, and then importing unvetted muslims, that isis opelny brags have terorrists mixed in.

The West has some of the most secure vetting of any nation for refugees. I suggest you inform yourself of the process.

~Tenth

Yes our vetting is great, which is why SB attack was caused by someone that passed 3 layers of it right>?

Right>?

I mean our vetting standards are top notch!!!

It isnt as if a mere cursory look into her actual life would have revealed many publically available comments about her supporting exactly what she did would it?

But no, us Americans get more scrutiny every day, than a immigrant gets....

Because you know, Americans are the problem in America

a reply to: forkedtongue

They are too blinded by their ideologies.

The irony of this statement...is palpable.

~Tenth

a reply to: forkedtongue

Yes our vetting is great, which is why SB attack was caused by someone that passed 3 layers of it right>?

They are not refugees.

Do you know the difference between a refugee and an immigrant?

~Tenth

originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: forkedtongue

Americans dont need to change to appease the muslims.

I hope they dont like how we act, I hope it ecourages all of them to stay out of America.

Is fire bombing a cafe an acceptable way to act to another innocent human being in your eyes? Is that how the average American citizen should act? If this is your view you are no different than those you are preaching about.

Where did I say that?

Oh thats right I didnt.

a reply to: forkedtongue

From this

I think being spit on is probably harassment, I think firebombing a cafe is definitely harassment. The issue is that people don't seem to understand that acting like this just adds fuel to the fire. Scared people are stupid people, unfortunately.

Your response

Americans dont need to change to appease the muslims.
I hope they dont like how we act, I hope it ecourages all of them to stay out of America.

What way of acting where you refering to?

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
If it's playing into the hands of Daesh, then the MSM are culpable of assisting them in getting their wish.

Yes. It's true that MSM is spreading the hatred and fear. So are people like Trump. It's up to US to reject the hype from ALL sources. And it can be done!

I listen to MSM all the time, and I manage to reject the fear and hatred! I refuse to live my life in fear and I refuse to become a bigot. It's really as simply as that. One has to be WILLING to be afraid and willing to hate to let the MSM and people like Trump affect their opinions and emotions.

I can't speak for America, but in the UK, particularly in local news we see the effort ALL faiths put into trying to prevent radicalisation through education and understanding, that of course usually gets swept under the carpet as particularly with the faith of Islam, many would rather complain that Muslims do nothing to stand against terrorists.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: forkedtongue

They are too blinded by their ideologies.

The irony of this statement...is palpable.

~Tenth

I agree, but not why you think.

I dont have any ideology.

I am not a partisan, I am not religious, I dont belong to any groups, clubs, organizations etc... Except ATS.

I am not the one demanding.....just forget it, your beyond hope.

I hope after the next muzzy attack in America, and the one after that, and the one after that, and the dozens more that will follow, dont keep you up at night.

Because they are coming.

Every time we import another that is not vetted, they are potentially ISIS.

We already know of at least one.

You wanna bet if she was the only one?

Not one American should die in America, because of a muslim immigrant.

Period.

I dont care if it is a black, white chinese budhist muslim roman catholic.

They are Americans, they should be able to live in peace in America without fear that SB will happen to them, or their kids or friends.

originally posted by: forkedtongue

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: forkedtongue

They are too blinded by their ideologies.

The irony of this statement...is palpable.

~Tenth

I agree, but not why you think.

I dont have any ideology.

I am not a partisan, I am not religious, I dont belong to any groups, clubs, organizations etc... Except ATS.

I am not the one demanding.....just forget it, your beyond hope.

I hope after the next muzzy attack in America, and the one after that, and the one after that, and the dozens more that will follow, dont keep you up at night.

Because they are coming.

Every time we import another that is not vetted, they are potentially ISIS.

We already know of at least one.

You wanna bet if she was the only one?

Not one American should die in America, because of a muslim immigrant.

Period.

I dont care if it is a black, white chinese budhist muslim roman catholic.

They are Americans, they should be able to live in peace in America without fear that SB will happen to them, or their kids or friends.

Wow you really did take a big load of MSM propaghanda, sprinkle it with sugar, pour over icy cold milk and eat the whole lot in in a single sitting diddn't you!

a reply to: forkedtongue

Americans dont need to change to appease the muslims.

Don't need to change what? Other religious groups were discriminated against initially, but eventually these groups learned to integrate themselves into society through assimilation. Muslims that have lived in this country for a couple of generations have learned how to do this. You may be completely unaware that the grocer you go to is a Muslim because he is clean shaven and skips the noon-time prayers. He is more interested in running a successful business than imposing Shariah.

a reply to: forkedtongue

You say you are not partisan, yet make comments about the Lefties.

You say you are not religious, which may be true, yet have some sort of hatred for the "Muzzies".

After reading many of your replies, I think it is say to assume you are a scared, uninformed person that is more driven by the hatred you have for some people, rather than the principles we Americans should hold close and dear.

While you cower in the corner scared of what the Muzzies may do, others such as myself are willing to talk to the Muzzies to see what solutions we can work together to figure this out.

Living in fear is pathetic.

a reply to: introvert

No, I believe those people are like that only because that is how they are raised. If you took the child of a redkneck couple and swapped them with the child of an upper-class city couple at birth without them knowing, the difference would be almost unrecognizable. There are genetic predispositions, true, but they are significantly less important than you'd tend to assume.

Allow me to tell a brief anecdotal tale. I am, as you would probably presume from my style of writing, fairly intelligent. Perhaps even markedly so. Very young, as well. I am biologically barely even eighteen. Recently, I acquired results from my High School overall assessment, and they were barely above average. Even quite significantly below it in cases.
Now, why? I don't have trouble wrapping my head around concepts. I don't struggle with tests. I am open to new ideas, and willing to correct mistakes. My writing tends to be fluid, if sometimes inefficient at conveying ideas and with a tendency of overusing the comma.
The reason, I believe, is thus: Sheer, Pure. Apathy. I have extrapolated the future of this planet and humans as a race from my current understanding of the situation we find ourselves in, and the truth of the matter is that it has thrown me into despair. You only need to look at my signature to understand how I feel and what I think of this world.

What that small portion of exposition is meant to illustrate, is that there are likely a large number of individuals with great potential who have simply lost hope, and withered away from what they could have been. People like me, who are deeply incongruent with how things are. I said earlier that I had no trouble wrapping my head around things, but that is not entirely correct. The amount of hatred circling in our society, the extreme anger and intolerance, why we simply cannot live in peace, I understand these logically, I can see why they are there and where they are going, but intrinsically they are foreign to me. As alien as the starry skies to the creatures that dwell in the depths of the Mariana Trench.
I am not saying I do not feel anger or any such thing, I am human. But there is something deeply, deeply wrong with the way things are. In a way I cannot understand.

They must have not been taught the "sticks and stones" nursery rhyme.

a reply to: PresidentCamacho

What, the good old "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but firebombs will burn my cafe to the ground thus ruining my livelihood and encourage my far-off countrymen to become terrorists" one?

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

The reason, I believe, is thus: Sheer, Pure. Apathy. I have extrapolated the future of this planet and humans as a race from my current understanding of the situation we find ourselves in, and the truth of the matter is that it has thrown me into despair. You only need to look at my signature to understand how I feel and what I think of this world.

OFF TOPIC BUT IMPORTANT: Don't give up. If you don't like the news, go out and make the news.