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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: BIGPoJo

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: BIGPoJo

This post is a complete strawman. Not to mention you threw an ad hominem in there for no reason. At no point did I advocate doing anything to the 1st amendment.

Then what is your solution to prevent these types of crimes if you believe that rhetoric is the cause?

2nd.

I don't have a solution, but I'm sure if we all tried to honestly put our heads together and brainstorm, someone could think of something that is agreeable to most.

Lets make it illegal to shoot someone to avoid cab fair, oh wait it already is. No amount of legislation will change peoples actions if they are already breaking the law. This shooter was likely drunk and decided that he didn't want to pay his cab fair because drunk and racist.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

I do remember. Wasn't it sex, religion, or poilitics? Maybe Miss Manners et al were wiser than we give them credit for.

You wouldn't be wrong in calling it that.

a reply to: BIGPoJo

So your "solution" is to continue to ignore the obvious elephant in the room and continue as things are. I wonder what you'd be saying right now if it were the religions of the participants were reversed. Say the cab driver who got shot was non-Muslim and the passenger who did the shooting was a Muslim, would you be saying the same thing right now?

originally posted by: Gothmog
First , it IS NOT Islamophobia.No matter how the left want to paint it. It is Radical Islam . And , of course , I bet that other countries have nearly , if not the same , issue. People are concerned over world events right now. This guy apparently was not right , not right at all. You have those. Please quit trying to blame everything on the right or conservatives. There are insane people in the world. If it wasnt about Muslims , it would have been about something else.

Given the facts we know/have so far, it would appear that in this particular case, the issue in this case may well and is more likely to be Islamophobia than radical Islam.

Yes, There are insane people in the world. Violent ones too. And they come in all shapes, sizes, races, religions, and so on.

People have every right to be concerned. What people don't have every right to give one set of people a pass, more leeway, more benefit of the doubt because said set of people may believe as they do (or may be on the same "side" they are on, if you will) and then judge people doing exactly the same thing by another set of standards.

The issue here isn't the who. It's the why. And the why isn't as simple as some make it appear...or want to make it appear.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Sometimes it's hard to accept that not everyone thinks your baby is cute.

Or that what you take as truth isn't believed by others.

Even though I don't often venture into using certain words, in this case I'd venture to say that most people wouldn't equate the term "hate radio" with NPR, never mind ever even entertaining the possibility that a constant barrage of something could be bad for the mind and soul.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: LSU0408
Dude, the left calls all of the GOP terrorists.

Dude, this is a strawman and you know it.

Being untrusting of muslims doesn't make it islamophobia. That is not correctly used. I don't watch left wing news outlets, only Conservative, and I've yet to ever get the idea to go out and kill or shoot at someone just for being a muslim. You don't understand how utterly ridiculous you sound when you cry about these situations being right wing media's fault. Furthermore, you don't know what that guy read or watched. You just keep speculating.

It's mind boggling that you are so terrified to admit that conservative media was to blame for this guy's opinions. Like you can't even admit that it is a VERY likely possibility. You are right, without his words on the matter we cannot know for sure, but to deny that conservative media could have had ANY influence on this guy's opinions on Muslims is rather disingenuous. It is literally the most likely possibility given the evidence we have so far. I'm certainly willing to change my opinion once new information is released and if it contradicts what I'm saying, but until then, I'm making the safe bet here. Conservative media is to blame.

PS: Just because you aren't susceptible to violence by being exposed to the rhetoric doesn't mean others aren't. The point is that the rhetoric is hurtful, mean, and doesn't do anything to foster better relations with Muslims.

Terrified to admit that Conservative media is to blame for some guy shooting a muslim? Seems to me that maybe you know more about Conservative media than Conservatives. How crazy is that? Do you think that blacks have "copophobia" or whatever word it is that gives you a fear of cops? And do you blame that on liberal media? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you think people have reasonable fear towards cops, amirite or is that another strawman on my part since it doesn't fit your "Conservatives are all evil" narrative?

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Yea I realize this, it just frustrates me when people deny reality or give something a pass while being overly critical of something else that is the same exact situation with the roles reversed. Here we have a situation that is most undoubtedly fueled by intolerance for Muslims. When I point out that most of the intolerant rhetoric aimed at Muslims is originating from the conservative media, therefore he is likely a either conservative or someone influenced by it, every makes ME out to be the bad guy. Why? Why can't conservative media be a bad guy? Why can it do no wrong?

a reply to: LSU0408

I'd say that yes, a rising fear of cops or intolerance against cops can be blamed on liberal media's negative perception of police officers.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ladyinwaiting

For the record, I'm blaming conservative media for this event, not conservatives.

Meh, you were the main one to start the entire "the shooter is a Conservative that listened to Conservative media" that did all of this.

a reply to: LSU0408

Does Vegas have any odds on this? Don't they do odds on everything?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Aazadan

Ok, call it a hate crime then.

Regardless, maybe this will finally be the action that gets people to look into the right wing media, but I doubt it. That's always a tricky subject due to freedom of the press, but when that freedom is inciting others to violence some sort of balance needs to be struck.

Have you read this thread? I'm being yelled at by conservatives for having the audacity to blame the conservative media for his rhetoric.

Nobody has yelled at you. Crush grapes much? It's an opinionated argument.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
This is why the Islamaphobic rhetoric and rhetoric for other issues that is hateful and intolerant that pervades right wing media and blogs is so dangerous. It incites crap like this. With the Colorado Springs shooting, this makes two recent terrorist attacks perpetrated by conservative Americans clearly influenced by conservative media. Though I'm sure we'll all be told he has mental issues or whatever.

Are you at all concerned about your hateful rhetoric and the rhetoric of the media constantly pounding on how dangerous and evil Republicans/Christians/right wingers/white people are?

a reply to: LSU0408

Right, but at no point did I blame all conservatives for it.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Who knows? Are you accusing me of something?

See your post above the post I'm replying to. You're grossly infatuated with the right wing media being the blame for everything bad that happens to someone considered a minority. I'd say you're pretty dang prejudiced towards the right.

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Aazadan

Ok, call it a hate crime then.

Regardless, maybe this will finally be the action that gets people to look into the right wing media, but I doubt it. That's always a tricky subject due to freedom of the press, but when that freedom is inciting others to violence some sort of balance needs to be struck.

Have you read this thread? I'm being yelled at by conservatives for having the audacity to blame the conservative media for his rhetoric.

Nobody has yelled at you. Crush grapes much? It's an opinionated argument.

Let's see. I've been called an idiot, people keep shifting the conversation to talk about me instead of the thread topic, and I have been on the receiving end from sarcasm from close to 100% of all the posters who disagree with me in this thread, but you don't think I'm being yelled at...

They may not be to blame for everything bad that happens (that would be a stretch) but they do have to cop to their part and their responsibility where there might be indications that people are either acting on information they get from certain media and/or believe everything they hear on certain media, even if much of it is not fact checked and wildly exaggerated.

a reply to: LSU0408

Fine believe what you want. I know me and what I believe. If you want to strawman my opinions, feel free. I can't prevent you from being an ass.

originally posted by: arpgme
A person controlled by fear can not think clearly and Love. Fear can cause people to have quick reactions and to harm the innocent.


People think Words don't hurt, and that it's ok to verbally abuse and to speak fear-mongering words, and false prophecies of doom, because it doesn't "really" harm people/society, but all of that negativity is affecting people, and unfortunately people are also saying these things to their children.

Stories like this is more proof of why people should be responsible with their words and not preach fear, but Love.

The people who promote negativity and fear-mongering was a huge influence adding to his panic and fear to do such a thing.

Words only hurt people with hypersensitive feelings. Unless you're really close to a person, I don't see how you can let their words bother you to the point of damage. Fear mongering is what has made lefties so afraid of righties. We even get called terrorists by the left. Now that's true fear mongering.

a reply to: LSU0408

If they can't control the 2nd Amendment, they'll control the 1st.

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
I want to make one more comment before I leave the thread, although I think it was already quite derailed by the 'conservative vs. liberal' tirade before I got here.

I'm very concerned; worried, very worried in fact about where all this "this party, that party -- this religion, that religion' is leading us as a nation. We will never be united as a nation as we once were, with all these designations, and these are generally with great hostility.

Nobody is a robot for one party or the other. We are individuals with free will.

The internet has made us all raving lunatics.

Yeah you'd think.