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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
This is why the Islamaphobic rhetoric and rhetoric for other issues that is hateful and intolerant that pervades right wing media and blogs is so dangerous. It incites crap like this. With the Colorado Springs shooting, this makes two recent terrorist attacks perpetrated by conservative Americans clearly influenced by conservative media. Though I'm sure we'll all be told he has mental issues or whatever.

I think it's a real stretch to call this a terrorist attack. It was a lone nut against an individual fueled by hate. Terrorist attacks to me mean something aimed at society or government in order to fuel a political agenda, not simply because of a political agenda.

a reply to: LSU0408

Which do you think is more likely, the man is a liberal or a conservative?

a reply to: Aazadan

Ok, call it a hate crime then.

originally posted by: laminatedsoul

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Gothmog

So blaming the source of his motivations isn't fair game if the guy isn't Muslim? After all, conservatives blame all of Islam whenever ISIS kills someone.

They follow their book to the law.

Would you not feel bad if your moderate god loving church group was labelled the same as some .. hey westboro !!

I tend to see their religion say they are nothing and actively refute them.

*Shhh allahu akbar!!*

What are you trying to convince me of here? That we can blame Islam for ISIS' actions but we cannot blame conservative media (the source for literally almost ALL islamophobia in the country) for a hate crime?

a reply to: laminatedsoul

Both of those are also rude and ignorant.

a reply to: CallYourBluff

You might want to work on your comprehension skills.

Your 1 liners that are so vague might be better if you further expressed yourself.

So I eventually get it earlier than later.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LSU0408

The poster was asking for proof from conservative media that conservative media is making calls for violence against Muslims. Hence why I posted it. You are damn right I'd dismiss it on any other thread, but if you'd actually attempt to understand the context of why I posted that link you'd realize why I posted it.

We didn't make up the word Islamophobia. Just because you find the word inconvenient doesn't make it a made up word. Now YOU are inventing your own narrative. Hypocrite much?

Yeah I can see where I got confused on the redstate comment. My bad.

Islamopobia, however, was first introduced as a concept in a 1991 Runnymede Trust Report. The term was coined in the context of Muslims in the UK in particular and Europe in general. It was never an issue or used in America until the left began using it as a slight towards those on the right.

I don't believe for one second that the left feels any way different towards ISIS than the right. Claiming any attack on a muslim was done by a Conservative is absolutely false and I know you're aware of that.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LSU0408

Ok, post me some articles of liberal media calling for violence against Islam. Like I said on page 1, you guys are more than welcome to prove me wrong, but just saying I'm wrong isn't going to cut it.

I don't recall claiming that liberal media called for violence against islam. Why would they cut their own throats like that? Lol

It was the media who convinced this guy to go shoot his cabbie? Those who make such a claim are only revealing their own susceptibility to media, given that their projecting is the only evidence they have.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: LSU0408

I have no words...

For what, and why did you bother replying?

a reply to: LSU0408

So if the man couldn't have gotten his opinions from the liberal media, where did it come from?

a reply to: LSU0408

So because the left uses it (correctly I might add) to point out hate speech and actions against Muslims, that means its a made up word? What else would you call hate speech/actions against Muslims?

Oh please. The left are CONSTANTLY trying to create distinctions between Muslims and ISIS. That is why they use terms like terrorist to describe them instead of Muslim terrorist or Muslim. This man CLEARLY had no intention of separating ISIS from other Muslims since the cab driver was from Morocco and said he didn't agree with ISIS either. Opinions like that only circulate in the right wing blogosphere. Sometimes they even surface up to more mainstream conservative sources like Fox News.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LSU0408

Which do you think is more likely, the man is a liberal or a conservative?

I mean, does he have to be one or the other? He might not be involved in politics at all. He might just hate what happened in Paris and be untrusting because of what the terrorists have been saying about Americans.

a reply to: LSU0408

So where did he get the rhetoric from then?

a reply to: LSU0408

He watched a video on Youtube. Ask Hillary. It causes all sorts of issues. Videos are the problem. Not people who are idiots.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LSU0408

So because the left uses it (correctly I might add) to point out hate speech and actions against Muslims, that means its a made up word? What else would you call hate speech/actions against Muslims?

Oh please. The left are CONSTANTLY trying to create distinctions between Muslims and ISIS. That is why they use terms like terrorist to describe them instead of Muslim terrorist or Muslim. This man CLEARLY had no intention of separating ISIS from other Muslims since the cab driver was from Morocco and said he didn't agree with ISIS either. Opinions like that only circulate in the right wing blogosphere. Sometimes they even surface up to more mainstream conservative sources like Fox News.

Dude, the left calls all of the GOP terrorists. Being untrusting of muslims doesn't make it islamophobia. That is not correctly used. I don't watch left wing news outlets, only Conservative, and I've yet to ever get the idea to go out and kill or shoot at someone just for being a muslim. You don't understand how utterly ridiculous you sound when you cry about these situations being right wing media's fault. Furthermore, you don't know what that guy read or watched. You just keep speculating.

originally posted by: LSU0408
Dude, the left calls all of the GOP terrorists.

Dude, this is a strawman and you know it.

Being untrusting of muslims doesn't make it islamophobia. That is not correctly used. I don't watch left wing news outlets, only Conservative, and I've yet to ever get the idea to go out and kill or shoot at someone just for being a muslim. You don't understand how utterly ridiculous you sound when you cry about these situations being right wing media's fault. Furthermore, you don't know what that guy read or watched. You just keep speculating.

It's mind boggling that you are so terrified to admit that conservative media was to blame for this guy's opinions. Like you can't even admit that it is a VERY likely possibility. You are right, without his words on the matter we cannot know for sure, but to deny that conservative media could have had ANY influence on this guy's opinions on Muslims is rather disingenuous. It is literally the most likely possibility given the evidence we have so far. I'm certainly willing to change my opinion once new information is released and if it contradicts what I'm saying, but until then, I'm making the safe bet here. Conservative media is to blame.

PS: Just because you aren't susceptible to violence by being exposed to the rhetoric doesn't mean others aren't. The point is that the rhetoric is hurtful, mean, and doesn't do anything to foster better relations with Muslims.

And so the conversation degenerates to "conservatives and liberals". Luc, please forgive me for a slight turn off the topic, because the shooting of this cab driver is an horrific event, for which I hope the shooter will pay with jail time (and get treatment for his PTSD which he may very well have) and the cab driver makes a full recovery.

But you others, PLEASE STOP nurturing the divisiveness among American Citizens. Reading a thread now is like reading minutes from a Congressional pow-wow it's so divisive. Bringing attention to a person's political affiliation really has no place in these situations no matter how much you would like them too, does it? DOES IT? Some of you will answer "yes' to that question, and you are the ones I'm referring to.

Do conservatives fit into a square peg and liberals into a round one? Do these people make the perfect fit for the perfect peg you've created in your mind? Of course not. All in all I suppose I'm a liberal, but there are some areas in which I am conservative, such as family values, and vice versa for conservatives.

The BIG liberals, the BIG conservatives, the ones who actually RUN the parties have certain ideas they adhere to, but the individuals, the small-fries, like us, might not be their perfect peg.

We are all subject to behaviors surrounding our own experiences/history/upbringing and education, and our thoughts result from all those things.

Let's not make this fight against each other. There is something brewing in all this that we need to stand guard against.
Can we?

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

For the record, I'm blaming conservative media for this event, not conservatives.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: LSU0408
Dude, the left calls all of the GOP terrorists.

Dude, this is a strawman and you know it.

Being untrusting of muslims doesn't make it islamophobia. That is not correctly used. I don't watch left wing news outlets, only Conservative, and I've yet to ever get the idea to go out and kill or shoot at someone just for being a muslim. You don't understand how utterly ridiculous you sound when you cry about these situations being right wing media's fault. Furthermore, you don't know what that guy read or watched. You just keep speculating.

It's mind boggling that you are so terrified to admit that conservative media was to blame for this guy's opinions. Like you can't even admit that it is a VERY likely possibility. You are right, without his words on the matter we cannot know for sure, but to deny that conservative media could have had ANY influence on this guy's opinions on Muslims is rather disingenuous. It is literally the most likely possibility given the evidence we have so far. I'm certainly willing to change my opinion once new information is released and if it contradicts what I'm saying, but until then, I'm making the safe bet here. Conservative media is to blame.

PS: Just because you aren't susceptible to violence by being exposed to the rhetoric doesn't mean others aren't. The point is that the rhetoric is hurtful, mean, and doesn't do anything to foster better relations with Muslims.

So, I see that because the left has failed to destroy the 2nd amendment they now want to try and kill the 1st. Be careful what you wish for because you just may get it, SNIP