How to bypass karma..

originally posted by: FlyingFox
You need 10 or so previous posts to your credit to start a new thread.

Speak for yourself.

originally posted by: ExternalForces
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Did you know there is now a drug that can take away free will?

TELL ME MORE; just one? I would think the Pharma Companies had at least 10 more in the out bin ready for testing. ZOLOFT was the first Stepford Wife Drug [turn those females into 'yes whatever you say' women].

a reply to: vethumanbeing


Yes, but from what I read I find it to be a load of garbage. I never trust mainstream media. I only mentioned it because it popped into my train of thought while reading your response on freewill. Researched the article, may dig a little deeper to find something more reliable.

Here's the link.

Scopolamine Reference

a reply to: FlyingFox

So what your saying is that I need to post 10 messages to start a thread?

a reply to: supradeluxx

This story is based apon actual events,
Hello my name is Mr. Alex Niederhauser, and I gotta conspiracy theory that has to be revealed. So here's the 411 on the situation. Gotta loving son or daughter that you love dearly, but has a problem behaving? Don't want to send them to correctional facilites? Don't want to pay out of pocket expenses for drug rehabilitation? Want them to still live a "normal life".

My story begins here. I use to live in a home with a very controlling mother who only wanted me to be enslaved to her whims. I got in trouble with the law, and was arrested for 3 days. Prior to the arrest my mom and I would get in heated arguments about my apparent drug use. She had threatened that I would be placed in a grouphome where I could "sit and drool" and take all the prescription drugs I wanted. After the arrest I then was offered a new home in a new environment out in Las Vegas. I lived there for a year and 3 months. Then I later choose to return to Salt Lake City. Where I than could not for the find a job for months.

I later began working as a caregiver at a group home. I would watch after clients and meet their needs. I then began to question there ethics in how my coworkers began to treat their clients. This lead me to report to the DHS of Utah a man raping a mentally disabled client, who's name I am choosing to not reveal. I had choosen to go on a 30 day hunger strike to protest his behavior to the clients. He then was about 3 days ago was arrested and is currently facing criminal charges. This mans name was Dillon Thalman.

I later began working at a car wash. In the past I had a friend who's brother apparently started developing schizophrenia. He was very well educated, but I did not question the system. He currently lives in a group home where he has been programmed by the community and high LDS leaders to believe his is mentally disabled. I am well aware of mentally disabled people and they are all to real. Like for example; if a person with mental disabilities places his hand on the stove, his neural reflexes may be "retarded" so he can process the information that the stove is hot, and would let his hand burn. That's the job of the caregivers. They are suppose to be the to make sure it doesn't happen.

But I question my friends brother mental capacity. He's not like that at all, he is fully aware, and can make or use to be able to make his own life choices. He started acting out irrationally believing that he was being spied on by his neighbor. Which disobeys the 5th Amendment right of privacy. He knew it was happening, but he couldn't figure out how or why he knew what he was doing. He was then programmed into believing that he really was retarded. Like how I described above. They placed him in a group home where he was in there environment, and started believing the hype he was given.

I also have a sister who's name I wish not to disclose. She had a half brother named Chris. This was my mother's first husband's son, he divorced my mother and married another making Chris my half sisters half brother. Same problem. He was also being controlled by high Elders of the LDS religion. He began acting out, he knew something was up that he didn't want to be a part of. He one day slashed my sisters tires after being intoxicated and having an argument with my half sister. He was placed under arrest. But the same solution was clear. Parents loved him, didn't want to see him imprisoned.

He was then checked into a drug rehabilitation center where he went in and out, they wanted him under their control, didn't want to see him in jail though. After the years of trying to change his ways they finally just wrote him off as mentally disabled and also placed him in a group home.

So gotta problem with your son being on drugs? Don't want to send him to jail? Don't want to pay out of pocket expenses to take him to a rehabilitation clinic? Send him to a group home, have them program them to really believe they are mentally disabled. Have them believe the hype. Because what it is, it's a well coordinated plan of feudalism to make sure everything stay happy in healthy in Stepford Utah. Maybe next time don't leave a cookie trail.

originally posted by: ExternalForces
a reply to: vethumanbeing


Yes, but from what I read I find it to be a load of garbage. I never trust mainstream media. I only mentioned it because it popped into my train of thought while reading your response on freewill. Researched the article, may dig a little deeper to find something more reliable.

Here's the link.

Scopolamine Reference

Thanks for the link. Always trust your abstract non linear train of thought (it is your best friend); I have taken heat on this awareness and usually PUSH BACK all vague presumptions (a lava flow got me once and a man eating lion as well).

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Do you happen to be in line with the LDS religion?

originally posted by: supradeluxx
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Do you happen to be in line with tihe LDS religion?

I am more of the Essene or Rosicrucian type (identify) but not of any dogma; why do you ask?

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Karma, like a credit rating, applies to everyone whether you want it to or not. That's......karma.

Who is doing the rating and if so why are you in belief of such a thing?

Good edit. Really. Buddhism is difficult because it relies so much on metaphor and in the west we kinda deal in reality. It's YOU that does the rating. That's the point.

In the west we more deal in delusion than reality more often than not.

originally posted by: ExternalForces
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Did you know there is now a drug that can take away free will?

what is that then?

a reply to: CosmicWanderer

I provided a link.

originally posted by: CosmicWanderer

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Karma, like a credit rating, applies to everyone whether you want it to or not. That's......karma.

Who is doing the rating and if so why are you in belief of such a thing?

Good edit. Really. Buddhism is difficult because it relies so much on metaphor and in the west we kinda deal in reality. It's YOU that does the rating. That's the point.

In the west we more deal in delusion than reality more often than not.

Buddhists as are Hindus, Nihilist in feature form, exist as a fo-mat; spiritually all over the map as far as this walkabout describes; past prior or future existence (apologies in advance).

a reply to: ExternalForces

right, well psychiatric drugs aren't necessarily capable of taking away Free Will in its entirety.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: CosmicWanderer

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Karma, like a credit rating, applies to everyone whether you want it to or not. That's......karma.

Who is doing the rating and if so why are you in belief of such a thing?

Good edit. Really. Buddhism is difficult because it relies so much on metaphor and in the west we kinda deal in reality. It's YOU that does the rating. That's the point.

In the west we more deal in delusion than reality more often than not.

Buddhists as are Hindus, Nihilist in feature form, exist as a fo-mat; spiritually all over the map as far as this walkabout describes; past prior or future existence (apologies in advance).

how do you figure that, arguably, two of the more peaceful religions, are nihilistic in nature? both religions teach unconditional love as well as walking the path of least resistance...are you unfamiliar with the teachings of the eightfold path as it were or are you claiming that hindus are spiritually all over the map?

originally posted by: CosmicWanderer
originally posted by: vethumanbeing
a reply to: vethumanbeing

vhb: Buddhists as are Hindus, Nihilist in feature form, exist as a fo-mat; spiritually all over the map as far as this walkabout describes; past prior or future existence (apologies in advance).

CosmicWanderer: how do you figure that, arguably, two of the more peaceful religions, are nihilistic in nature? both religions teach unconditional love as well as walking the path of least resistance...are you unfamiliar with the teachings of the eightfold path as it were or are you claiming that hindus are spiritually all over the map?

Total absolute destruction of EGO; not self awareness. To what aim, join with a higher being/god/or one imagined to meet those needs of pure IAM awareness; "I exist in this moment only" (handshake).

a reply to: CosmicWanderer

Isn't religion supposed to be peaceful in general? Arguing a disruption against one's will, faith, and hope isn't yours to decide. I say live and let live. Have your own beliefs and your own thoughts. For only the Divine know the real truth. That is the secret.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

For one can not be his true Self while living in the past or in the future. The true self and Self are in the here and now. I've been studying, friend. Awakening into a battlefield is tough and it feels like you want to rip yourself in two and send them in both directions to make each side happy. I've made the mistake of making a blood oath to the dark side. I've learned a lot from it, not only about the darkness itself, but the persistent light always calling you home and you can shed the darkness with the sword of the spiritual warrior. No matter how many mistakes you have made. I'm beginning to see the humor in it all.

Love to you, friend.
Enjoy your weekend.

originally posted by: CosmicWanderer
a reply to: ExternalForces

right, well psychiatric drugs aren't necessarily capable of taking away Free Will in its entirety.

Ask a schizophrenic about Thorazine (even they know within their disease this is an ugly drug) will take all free will and as purposed give that life up to its caregivers whim.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

I personally know one or two. They are interesting people to speak with. I haven't really got the chance the meet the other half, but it's violent. So in saying this, loss of freewill allows are bodies to become susceptible to the negative realms of the spirit realm, allowing some form of possession within the physical body itself?

originally posted by: ExternalForces
a reply to: vethumanbeing
Love to you, friend.
Enjoy your weekend.

I will; and my hand is always extended (enlightened side only; no fingers crossed) as a similar spiritual warrior. Its lonely; this path/but humor is the keystone to getting through it all and knowing one is not alone.