How to bypass karma..

a reply to: archongel

In the second case your Karma does not come into play if you don't do something.
"You" are the judge, the police, the defendant, and the prosecutor. Your actions and your desire leads to further actions and desire, trapping you in an endless cycle of reincarnation driven by desire and an ego that sees results as separate from actions. You bypass karma by developing the intuition and insight to realize that attachment to desires and resulting action to fulfill those desires leads to suffering due to the impermanent nature of your attachments and objects of your deires and that there is no need to do but only be total joyous ecstacy

a reply to: archongel

I think your questions are a moot point.

I don't believe in the concept of karma. To believe in karma, you also have to believe in past lives ie reincarnation, in the traditional sense of the word. Which I don't. I find it very hard to believe that the little boy or girl dying of cancer at age 7 is carrying karmic debt and thus deserves their predicament somehow.

I also think the term has been washed down to- 'what goes around comes around' which makes people feel better about themselves. 'so and so's gonna get it one day! 'they'll get theirs!' 'karma will get them!' etc.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: vethumanbeing

those past existences then describe the future incarnations (failure after failure) because God did not give them direction; a path to follow to gain enlightenment. Why do I know this as a westerner and they do not? Karma is an energy that is individualized to that SELF experiencing it

TheConstuKctionofLight: I understand where you're coming from; I contend that God left the room some time ago. Would a benevolent God [G] give them free will and allow such a prison planet to exist? I think the trap is to read the words of god [pretender g] throughout history and take it as if we owe any debt to begin with.

Your idea of a prison planet is somewhat true as we are (have always been) an experimental species (that includes all life forms) existing together magically on this sphere [a library of life forms] that is cherished by some few WHOM?! God or its Demi-gods? Those that created us....need to show up and edit the script before we 'just acting' destroy each other.


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If you enter the tunnel of light, do not allow any council to convince you that you need to repay any karmic debt. Any perceived karmic debt was part of what you decided to experience. This doesn’t mean that you should have no guilt for intentionally harming someone because ultimately, we should love everyone and respect everything. If you do decide to come back to help this planet, do not agree to come back to this 3rd dimensional reality of systemic control through a “soul contract“. Come back on your own terms, which includes the remembrances of all previous lives and everything you have learned throughout your incarnations as well as on the other side of the veil

I understand what you are saying here; the repay is false but acts within certain dogma as a very powerful tool to control through fear. Unfortunately enough believe it has actually manifested. One never arrives (incarnated) remembering ones purpose to progress that individualized soul. One comes into this plane of existence with amnesia of any prior lives or purpose. Its your endeavor to remember why you came to be here.

a reply to: Willtell

And a higher perception is that it may be that we are just being acted upon and not really acting ourselves

whoa! You just raised "ugly" and "marionettes" to a whole new level.
I refuse for my sanity to ponder and meander down that path

a reply to: intrepid

Karma, like a credit rating, applies to everyone whether you want it to or not. That's......karma

If you want to take that on board for yourself thats your choice. Dont pronounce it from the pulpit...smells too much of "born of sin through Adam" to me.

Like vethumanbeing states... "I dont let a "controller meme" keep me in bondage."

a reply to: intrepid

Buddhism is difficult because it relies so much on metaphor and in the west we kinda deal in reality. It's YOU that does the rating. That's the point.

And yet I dont think you have thought this through...Western critical thinking uses metaphors as well. To say that Metaphor is the antithesis of reality shows me you're not explaining yourself well. But i stand to listen....

originally posted by: cryptic0void
a reply to: archongel

In the second case your Karma does not come into play if you don't do something.
"You" are the judge, the police, the defendant, and the prosecutor. Your actions and your desire leads to further actions and desire, trapping you in an endless cycle of reincarnation driven by desire and an ego that sees results as separate from actions. You bypass karma by developing the intuition and insight to realize that attachment to desires and resulting action to fulfill those desires leads to suffering due to the impermanent nature of your attachments and objects of your desires and that there is no need to do but only be total joyous ecstacy

You then are hopelessly lost as GOD entwined or in love with the idea of being a human.

a second example would be:
if a man is sitting near a deep hole, and a blind man is walking towards the deep pit.
seeing the man is blind, he does nothing to stop him in any way, and the blind man falls into the pit and dies.
in this situation, who is to blame? would the man get negative karma simply for inaction?

"Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men." If you agree with this statement, then the man who does nothing, would receive more "bad" karma than the man who does something but it makes no difference, because at least the latter man tried to help. Karma, in and of itself, is a tricky topic because you have to define what acts gain what kind of karma and all of that varies based on perspective. So, traditionally, one gathers karma, both good and bad as they go through life...good acts beget good karma etc. Upon death, the life is surmised and the karma tallied to determine whether the soul committed more acts of good or bad karma which determines how he/she shall reincarnate in the next life. For example, if one has exceedingly more bad karma than good, then that soul could be reincarnated as a dung beetle. On the other hand, if one has exceedingly good karma, they could reincarnate as a prince/princess never wanting to anything. Now, you must discuss whether or not reincarnation is determined by karma or the spirit itself...meaning there are multiple theories and people who have memories of their "in between time" between each life...they would have something different to say on the topic. Also, Karma can be surpassed via the removal of karmic containment units and the ceasing of belief systems which feed such a cycle.

Plato tells us that wrongdoers will ultimately suffer from a guilty conscious. Every man must deal with their own demons.

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originally posted by: FlyingFox
Plato tells us that wrongdoers will ultimately suffer from a guilty conscious. Every man must deal with their own demons.

This is the basis for a false Karmic creation (roundabout) as is to inflict upon others [by other greater beings] of the notion of a cliff drop off, a hamster wheel). Guilt (negative) is an energy form utilized; as is love or hate to generate energy/positive or negative.

I don't believe there is a way of bypassing Karma. The Divine have their will and will do what is necessary to keep things in balance throughout the already blistering amount of chaos the universes, dimensions, etc., experience. I think if you question the Divine order they will provide answers to what you seek. I just recently took on the craft of Rune Casting and find it very enlightening. You have your number, just remember everything you do adjusts this number and your position in the spiritual world.

Cheers and Happy Holidays!

EF

originally posted by: ExternalForces
I don't believe there is a way of bypassing Karma. The Divine have their will and will do what is necessary to keep things in balance throughout the already blistering amount of chaos the universes, dimensions, etc., experience. I think if you question the Divine order they will provide answers to what you seek. I just recently took on the craft of Rune Casting and find it very enlightening. You have your number, just remember everything you do adjusts this number and your position in the spiritual world.

Only if you truly believe (as a human) you do not possess freewill.

Hello, I am brand new to this website and I believe I have a legitimate conspiracy theory to post. I am having trouble with finding a new way to make a new post. Sorry to go off topic, wanna control your karma start with your breathwork.

Hello, I am brand new to this website and I believe I have a legitimate conspiracy theory to post. I am having trouble with finding a new way to make a new post. Sorry to go off topic, wanna control your karma start with your breathwork.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Did you know there is now a drug that can take away free will?

You need 10 or so previous posts to your credit to start a new thread.

a reply to: FlyingFox

Are you speaking to me?

a reply to: supradeluxx



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a reply to: ExternalForces

I think they were

To make a new post, go to the forum which best describes your topic...and post away. There is a new post option.

a reply to: lifecitizen

I was simply replying to the initial post after reading a few different responses. My apologies for not quoting or replying correctly.