Turkey shot down Russian Jet: reportedly by two F16's

originally posted by: Laxus
a reply to: DJW001


I do not see Turkey complaining that Greek violated Turkish airspace over 2000 times annually, following your logic of course. SO why does Turkey need to fly so close or violate Greek so called "disputed boarders"

Even if out of these 2000 only 10 or 100 is a real violation , it is still a violation.

So what is the difference when Turkey complains about Russians flying close to their boarders. NONE.

You constantly trying to find excuses for plain facts.

Oh please , give it up !!!

Turkish planes don't bomb Greek population and then go on to violate the so called border in the Aegean.
You Greeks claim that Aegean belongs to you and Russians claim BlackSea belongs to them .
Turks have no saying in either Aegean or Blacksea according to your warped logic.

Two situations are completely different . If we take your claim seriously , my swimming pool is within Greece's borders while being located in Turkish mainland.

Absurdity at maximum level.

a reply to: 23432

See #3 using the link in my signature line below.

Whats even more interesting is the position some had when syria downed a Turkish jet for violating its airspace. Needless to say it didn't seem to be a problem by some because they violated syrian airspace. Nor did they haave objections when russia downed a Ukrainian fighter jet in ukrainian airspace from inside russian airspace because they were attacking russian rebels in E. Ukraine. In that instance their position was it was ok for russia to do since they were attacking "ethnic russians".

Their goal is to protect Putin.

a reply to: 23432

And you have facts Russian bombs Turkish population? Or maybe you believe the so called Turkmen that are in Syria are just there for holidays ?
Please spare me the whole moderate rebels and Freedom fighter b..lsh1t will you.

originally posted by: Laxus
a reply to: 23432

And you have facts Russian bombs Turkish population? Or maybe you believe the so called Turkmen that are in Syria are just there for holidays ?
Please spare me the whole moderate rebels and Freedom fighter b..lsh1t will you.

No. They live there. What's your point? They are fighting ISIS, Russia is bombing them.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Now , both those claims , that they live there and they fight ISIS, please provide supportive claims to that.


Wait don't bother, here :

During the Syrian Civil War, the Turkmen population of Syria were involved in military actions against Syrian government forces and looked to Turkey for support and protection

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: 23432

See #3 using the link in my signature line below.

Whats even more interesting is the position some had when syria downed a Turkish jet for violating its airspace. Needless to say it didn't seem to be a problem by some because they violated syrian airspace. Nor did they haave objections when russia downed a Ukrainian fighter jet in ukrainian airspace from inside russian airspace because they were attacking russian rebels in E. Ukraine. In that instance their position was it was ok for russia to do since they were attacking "ethnic russians".

Their goal is to protect Putin.

The double standarts are breathtakingly arrogant . These Putin fanboys dont seem to realize that Putin is not the saviour thet are hoping for but just another Tsar wannabe .

Erdogan gets accused of acting like a Sultan but Putin is a beacon of democracy and peace according to some !!!

Well they can pull the other one , nobody in their right mind would buy into what this KGB agent is selling .

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Laxus
a reply to: 23432

And you have facts Russian bombs Turkish population? Or maybe you believe the so called Turkmen that are in Syria are just there for holidays ?
Please spare me the whole moderate rebels and Freedom fighter b..lsh1t will you.

No. They live there. What's your point? They are fighting ISIS, Russia is bombing them.

Assad is the only one party effectively fighting ISIS along with the other terrorist factions in Syria and the west want to remove him.

Dp

The Turkmen rebel group leader Alparsan Celic who proudly announced to have shot down the Russian pilot parachuting is a Turkish citizen and member of the far right/ neo fascist grey wolves.

www.reddit.com... ar/comments/3u6im0/the_turkmen_commander_alparslan_çelik_who_shot_at/

The grey wolves:

The Grey Wolves was a Turkish ultra-nationalist, neo-fascist youth organization. It is the "unofficial militant arm" of the Nationalist Movement Party. According to Turkish authorities, the organization carried out 694 murders between 1974–1980.

A terrorist group according to: www.trackingterrorism.org...

The whole "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is getting FUBAR on so many levels.

Why do you think the US is supporting them? The United States is also fascist.

originally posted by: Laxus
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Now , both those claims , that they live there and they fight ISIS, please provide supportive claims to that.


Wait don't bother, here :

During the Syrian Civil War, the Turkmen population of Syria were involved in military actions against Syrian government forces and looked to Turkey for support and protection

Yes, they fought Assad and ISIS.

Their location has brought them into conflict with the Assad regime, ISIS, and even the Western-backed Kurdish rebels

www.vox.com...

Turkmen commanders have complained that they have not received enough support from Western nations and Turkey despite their willingness to battle against both the Syrian army and Isis.

www.independent.co.uk...

Turkmen call for arms to join anti-ISIS war

rudaw.net...

The military wing of the assembly is called the Syrian Turkmen Brigades and aims to protect areas with Turkmens from government forces and the Islamic State group.

www.usnews.com...

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Laxus
a reply to: 23432

And you have facts Russian bombs Turkish population? Or maybe you believe the so called Turkmen that are in Syria are just there for holidays ?
Please spare me the whole moderate rebels and Freedom fighter b..lsh1t will you.

No. They live there. What's your point? They are fighting ISIS, Russia is bombing them.

Assad is the only one party effectively fighting ISIS along with the other terrorist factions in Syria and the west want to remove him.

Define effective. Assad was not fighting ISIS effectively at all because non-ISIS groups were between Assad and ISIS.

You are getting into a whole off topic argument. Russia was bombing Turkmen, not ISIS.

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Ernt wrong answer try again the U.S is not in fact fascist Cool story though

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Got anything to support this?

Sorry, "Oligarchy."

It's on its way to fascism though. Especially with Mein Trumpf and everything.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
Sorry, "Oligarchy."

It's on its way to fascism though. Especially with Mein Trumpf and everything.

You just described Russia / Putin -

noun, plural oligarchies.
1.a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique; government by the few.
2.a state or organization so ruled.
3.the persons or class so ruling.

a reply to: Xcathdra

She's got "feelings", and foreign American hate rhetoric, usually those two things combined equal such hyperbolic and down right inaccurate, and offensive statements and sentiments. But many here even American will joyfully agree as they sit from their western comfy homes enjoying the freedoms of this jackbooted fascist empire. Sometimes people sometimes

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Laxus
a reply to: 23432

And you have facts Russian bombs Turkish population? Or maybe you believe the so called Turkmen that are in Syria are just there for holidays ?
Please spare me the whole moderate rebels and Freedom fighter b..lsh1t will you.

No. They live there. What's your point? They are fighting ISIS, Russia is bombing them.

Assad is the only one party effectively fighting ISIS along with the other terrorist factions in Syria and the west want to remove him.

Define effective. Assad was not fighting ISIS effectively at all because non-ISIS groups were between Assad and ISIS.

You are getting into a whole off topic argument. Russia was bombing Turkmen, not ISIS.

You are making the argument that Russia is bad for bombing Turkmen because they are fighting ISIS, no they are as much terrorists as Isis and the FSA. They are fighting an elected government in Syria with the help of an outside nation ie Turkey, that is terrorism. They violated the Geneva code regarding shooting a parachuting pilot out of the sky, that is terrorism.

This man Jürgen Todenhöfer spent time inside Syria with Isis and said that the so called "moderates" are selling weapons to ISIS. He stated in the interview with CNN that the only party Isis is afraid of is Assad and is the only one fighting them effectively.



If be more inclined to believe what he is saying rather than the stuff you are saying Mr random person on the internet.

a reply to: Xcathdra


As always keep beating a rotten horse , I see

a reply to: TechniXcality

again though we come back to the issue where they make the claims while being completely blind to their own situation.

As for the US-
Oligarchy? Maybe... although there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Fascist? nope.