Black Pastor Gives His Opinion On Black People! "Black People Are The Most Racist People"

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: southernplayalistic
Every race on earth is "racist" to varying degrees. But if I had to pick the most racist, it wouldn't be black people.

ETA: @Gryphon. I like the new avi.

Aren't you being racist by saying one race is the MOST racist?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
The information was provided for anyone interested in the facts of claims made about Mr. Obama; nothing was "directed" at you as I know how to use the "Reply" feature.

It was unclear because it related to my comment, but I did notice you did not direct it at me.

I identified as a Christian as a child and no longer do. I also recognize that religious beliefs change and that children are often identified as having the religion of their parents -- not by their choice. If it was just the school record, i would probably not give it too much thought. But I know you are an atheist, could you see yourself ever referring to your "Christian" or "Muslim" faith? I cannot. The words could never accidentally roll out of my mouth. So, I find it implausible based on my own commitment to atheism and my rejection of a faith-based belief in a religion. I think it's fair that others feel the same way.

If that school record said George W. Bush and he made the same 'gaffe,' my eyebrow would be raised just as high.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: lakesidepark

You seem to feel that Mr. Obama is responsible for all the world's problems.

That is an irrational belief in my estimation, not to mention a well-worn cliche.

Mr. Obama isn't solely responsible for trouble in the Middle East, nor racial divisions in the US.

We, the human species, are responsible for both.

Exaggerate much? I didn't ever say he was solely responsible....that is simply a smear on what I did say. The cliche' part is that is the typical response from the Obama sympathizers when faced with accepting ANY responsibility for the current sad state of affairs.

Might as well act like the wild-haired guy that is saying on my TV right now that alien viruses from ancient astronauts have infested our genomes and cause all the violence in the world. Makes about as much sense. (Really I just heard that as I was reading your response - what timing!). Now of course if I asserted that then I would be asserting that Obama is some ancient alien.
But I didn't assert that either. Just saying in case there is any confusion.

The key here is not to refute my arguments by stretching them to some impossible conclusion and attributing it to me....but providing some evidence that Obama has NO responsibility for what I have asserted.

Try that one - be a bit honest and skip the hyperbole and exaggeration.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: southernplayalistic
Every race on earth is "racist" to varying degrees. But if I had to pick the most racist, it wouldn't be black people.

ETA: @Gryphon. I like the new avi.

Aren't you being racist by saying one race is the MOST racist?

I said if I "had to". Notice I didn't.

But to answer your inquiry: Is it(racist)? Or is it observation? I guess it depends on ones perspective.

a reply to: lakesidepark

I don't usually take Gryphon's side on anything... but, to be fair, he DID insert the word 'solely' in his sentence.

Mr. Obama isn't solely responsible for trouble in the Middle East, nor racial divisions in the US.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: southernplayalistic
Every race on earth is "racist" to varying degrees. But if I had to pick the most racist, it wouldn't be black people.

ETA: @Gryphon. I like the new avi.

I agree with your summation as noted above. My suggestion is that we have an evolutionary (and therefore) visceral reaction to "those not like us" for whatever reasons probably a kind of genetic envelope. I'm actually surprised we aren't more violent than we are.

EDIT: Oh, and, glad you like the "membership card."

originally posted by: lakesidepark
His actions AND his inactions have created suffering and horror across the ME, now spreading into Europe.

So he has betrayed not only us, not only the black communities in the U.S., not only Europe, but progressive Muslims around the world as well! What a shocker.

You "smeared" yourself here.

If you misspoke, or if you've changed your mind on further consideration, that's your issue, not mine for pointing out what you said.

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: southernplayalistic
Every race on earth is "racist" to varying degrees. But if I had to pick the most racist, it wouldn't be black people.

ETA: @Gryphon. I like the new avi.

Aren't you being racist by saying one race is the MOST racist?

I said if I "had to". Notice I didn't.

But to answer your inquiry: Is it(racist)? Or is it observation? I guess it depends on ones perspective.

Well scientifically there is just one race on this planet so"true racism" dont exist,but we do have instituituioinal and ethnic bigotry. the sooner we see were all th e same except minor diffrences th e better.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: lakesidepark

I don't usually take Gryphon's side on anything... but, to be fair, he DID insert the word 'solely' in his sentence.

Mr. Obama isn't solely responsible for trouble in the Middle East, nor racial divisions in the US.

Yet he infers I said that and / or meant that simply by saying that, and yet makes no counter-argument that refutes my assertion that Obama has responsibility. Whether that be solely, or jointly with other forces at play, doesn't change the fact he does have responsibility. Yet the cliche' response to discredit my assertions.

DEFENSE FAIL.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: lakesidepark
His actions AND his inactions have created suffering and horror across the ME, now spreading into Europe.

So he has betrayed not only us, not only the black communities in the U.S., not only Europe, but progressive Muslims around the world as well! What a shocker.

You "smeared" yourself here.

If you misspoke, or if you've changed your mind on further consideration, that's your issue, not mine for pointing out what you said.

More word games. Address the argument or get off my back.

That's just it though ... we aren't "all the same." We are different. So much that "diversity" waxes and wanes in cultural importance. We are also creatures of extremes ... and we often run so far in one direction we come around to the other side.

We have two seemingly equal primal "social" urges ... one to cooperation; one to violence.

I don't believe that we are going to overcome our natural tendencies to violent xenophobia anytime soon. We can, however, acknowledge those and bend that personal and cultural "energy" to better ends ... those being ... well, something that benefits everyone in some sort of equitable manner.

a reply to: Swills

Either way, not constructive.

Anything that sparks a positive, IS constructive, if being looked at through the eyes of an open mind and open heart.

a reply to: lakesidepark

Word games? LOL. That's rich, given the context.

You're trying to shirk your own words that claimed that Mr. Obama, both by what he has done and what he hasn't done is RESPONSIBLE for the problems in the Middle East.

You want to focus on me, what you think about "Obama Apologists" and some program you're watching on TV.

You don't have an "argument" to counter.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Do you know that Mr. Obama filled out the form himself? If so, he was a child when that blank was filled in.

I myself filled in blanks that said "Christian" ... I am not one. You seem to want to transpose what was written on a form as some sort of declaration by Mr. Obama himself, and I haven't seen any evidence of that.

(This is really off-topic in this thread; perhaps we should discuss it elsewhere?)

Pastor Manning ... isn't he the same one who made headlines briefly last year for claiming that Starbucks was putting special "material" in their coffee?

Am I thinking of the right individual?

IF this was 20yrs ago I would say bs....nowdays it is 100% true....thanks Obama

originally posted by: lakesidepark

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: lakesidepark

I don't usually take Gryphon's side on anything... but, to be fair, he DID insert the word 'solely' in his sentence.

Mr. Obama isn't solely responsible for trouble in the Middle East, nor racial divisions in the US.

Yet he infers I said that and / or meant that simply by saying that, and yet makes no counter-argument that refutes my assertion that Obama has responsibility. Whether that be solely, or jointly with other forces at play, doesn't change the fact he does have responsibility. Yet the cliche' response to discredit my assertions.

DEFENSE FAIL.

I'M in complete agreement with your assertion. Obama's incompetence is largely responsible for most of the mess in Syria/Iraq/Libya...and so much more.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
That's just it though ... we aren't "all the same." We are different. So much that "diversity" waxes and wanes in cultural importance. We are also creatures of extremes ... and we often run so far in one direction we come around to the other side.

We have two seemingly equal primal "social" urges ... one to cooperation; one to violence.

I don't believe that we are going to overcome our natural tendencies to violent xenophobia anytime soon. We can, however, acknowledge those and bend that personal and cultural "energy" to better ends ... those being ... well, something that benefits everyone in some sort of equitable manner.

Your emissing his point. he means were all HOMO SAPIENS/AKA humans. And according to research we arent diffrent races,BUT we are DIFFRENT ETHNICITIES. The government though seems to be dragging its feet on the truth here because its how they get votes and stay in power.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: lakesidepark

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: lakesidepark

I don't usually take Gryphon's side on anything... but, to be fair, he DID insert the word 'solely' in his sentence.

Mr. Obama isn't solely responsible for trouble in the Middle East, nor racial divisions in the US.

Yet he infers I said that and / or meant that simply by saying that, and yet makes no counter-argument that refutes my assertion that Obama has responsibility. Whether that be solely, or jointly with other forces at play, doesn't change the fact he does have responsibility. Yet the cliche' response to discredit my assertions.

DEFENSE FAIL.

I'M in complete agreement with your assertion. Obama's incompetence is largely responsible for most of the mess in Syria/Iraq/Libya...and so much more.

I didn't know that Obama was responsible for the invasion of Iraq. Oh, wait...

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: lakesidepark

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: lakesidepark

I don't usually take Gryphon's side on anything... but, to be fair, he DID insert the word 'solely' in his sentence.

Mr. Obama isn't solely responsible for trouble in the Middle East, nor racial divisions in the US.

Yet he infers I said that and / or meant that simply by saying that, and yet makes no counter-argument that refutes my assertion that Obama has responsibility. Whether that be solely, or jointly with other forces at play, doesn't change the fact he does have responsibility. Yet the cliche' response to discredit my assertions.

DEFENSE FAIL.

I'M in complete agreement with your assertion. Obama's incompetence is largely responsible for most of the mess in Syria/Iraq/Libya...and so much more.

I didn't know that Obama was responsible for the invasion of Iraq. Oh, wait...

For the invasion of Iraq by ISIS?....Of course he is, silly.