Transgender woman Vicky Thompson, 21, found dead in all male prison.

I don't understand how any one person, or anyone
entity can be held responsible for a suicide. If you
can't do the time. Don't do the crime. No worries,
no arguments.

Unless this person has had the operation to remove their genitalia and has had numerous hormone treatments,
they belong in the male prison. PERIOD
The justice system does not care how you feel on the inside. It cares about punishing you for your crimes.
We must live with the choices we make as people.
This person CHOSE to try and become a woman and CHOSE to commit a crime. Do not expect the world to bend to you because of the choices you make. Definitely do not expect the justice system to fold because you threaten to kill yourself.
The justice system doesn't care about you, only what you have done.

This whole story is a sad series of events brought on by choices this person made, all the way up to the suicide.
Like I said before, this person was obviously damaged and belonged in a mental facility, not a prison.

Anyone here using this as another opportunity to insult Trans people or anyone from the GLBTQ+ community, or say that they are trying to be a "Special Snowflake" or compare them to "Identifying as a God" or any other such nonsense, i'm sorry you have to live with all that hate and have to live with yourself but it's disgusting

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Like how you call yourself a libertarian but constantly scream for more government and side with nearly every leftist issue and no one buys it?

Just having fun at your expense KS ;P

a reply to: Darth_Prime

Whats disgusting is labeling all those who want to have a discussion about a very relevant topic as hateful.

Whats disgusting is lumping anyone who has questions about transgendered people as haters of the entire GLGBT community, or to imply that there is hate involved here at all.

Whats disgusting is how this isn't the first or last time you will use these tactics to stifle a conversation and shame those who have it.

This thread directly relates to the following thread Transgender Issues Finally Gain Recognition On Capitol Hill . In that thread it was shown how advocacy groups and even the media use the death of anyone transgender to further their political cause even when the deaths are not related to hate crimes or the persons gender. Even when those deaths are drug overdoses or domestic violence issues. I wouldn't doubt if we see this person who committed suicide somehow end up on the list of persecuted transsexuals touted as victims of a hate crime.

a reply to: Bennyzilla

Some of the remarks here do come across as being hateful but I see many of them as an outcry of fear and confusion and as simply a reaction to things that aren't understood.

As far as conversation or questions about transgender people, I don't see much of that in this thread. I see a lot of attitude and comments but zilch when it comes to trying genuinely question or gain understanding into the lives and issues that trans* people face. If people were honestly interested in learning about trans* people from a compassionate and open minded perspective, I'm sure answers to questions would be forthcoming if asked sincerely.

Somebody is dead because of transgender problems. Does it matter what crime was committed or that it was self-inflicted?

a reply to: Darth_Prime

I have no hate in my heart whatsoever but when this # is constantly shoved in my face then i react.

a reply to: Freija

Plenty of legit questions I posed that have gone unanswered. Do you have any opinions on them? Or just more shame.

Who made you the governor of who is and isn't genuinely interested in transgender topics may I ask?

originally posted by: NihilistSanta
This thread directly relates to the following thread Transgender Issues Finally Gain Recognition On Capitol Hill . In that thread it was shown how advocacy groups and even the media use the death of anyone transgender to further their political cause even when the deaths are not related to hate crimes or the persons gender. Even when those deaths are drug overdoses or domestic violence issues. I wouldn't doubt if we see this person who committed suicide somehow end up on the list of persecuted transsexuals touted as victims of a hate crime.

Funny. You've certainly used that thread to espouse your political agenda as well. Why is this such a hot button topic for you? Whether you really see it that way or not or if you consider yourself to be neutral on the subject, from my perspective you seem more than willing to share your feelings about transgender people which don't seem all that neutral to me. Why does it even matter to you or what vested interest do you have toward trans people, their issues, rights or problems one way or the other?

originally posted by: Bennyzilla
a reply to: Krazysh0t

It's a thought experiment. It's relevant because it follows along the same lines as the transgendered issues.

But we are talking legality. If it isn't a legal issue, then there is no point in tackling it. The kid hasn't made a big deal out of it for being arrested. So why worry about it?

I'm honestly not trying to entrap you, I just want to know how far your ideology and beliefs extend (As from what I've seen here you are definitely a figurehead in the defense of transgender people on ATS and as such very generally represent the ideologies of that group, you may disagree with that sentiment but the best leaders often don't accept the role). At what point do you reach the point that people who don't want to believe transgendered people deserve special treatment are at? Where does ones personal feelings about their existence become fantasy and not reality?

As long as they are treated as the gender they want to be then I am happy.

I'm unclear on how, if transgender is not a choice one makes, you could not also extend your support to Dog-Person as well.

"Dog-Person" isn't a legit medical diagnosis. Transgendered people have Gender Dysphoria. Maybe if "dog-people" became a demographic outside of one guy we can revisit this conversation.

Also, I think this: "Depends on which branch of science you ask.", is a very telling statement. For every scientist who says gender is fluid, there is one who will say it is not.

So why do you think it is ok to be definitive with the "born with a penis, therefore male" argument?

a reply to: Debunkology

I've already proven you wrong with actual links. You are going to have to do better than just your opinion to convince me otherwise.

originally posted by: Bennyzilla
At what point do you reach the point that people who don't want to believe transgendered people deserve special treatment are at? Where does ones personal feelings about their existence become fantasy and not reality?

I'm unclear on how, if transgender is not a choice one makes, you could not also extend your support to Dog-Person as well.

That’s simply why I brought the ‘Dog-Person’ up. I was also interested where the lines are drawn.

The ‘Progressive Movement’ is now at a critical point where it is replacing reality with ‘ideas’, ‘belief’, ‘falseness’ and ‘fantasy’. It has come to the point where progress is not an 'improved condition', but just a ‘moving forward into a destination' in order to remain relevant.

That destination is also one of delusion.

originally posted by: Freija
Can't people take one day out of their life to stop and genuinely think about this for once rather than taking some poor person's death as an opportunity to spout off their rhetoric and unscientific nonsense.

The irony of this post is phenomenal. The ones using the opportunity to spout off their rhetoric and unscientific nonsense is those that are part of the LGBT community and 'progressive movement'!

The tactics of accusing rational people as being fearful or trying to stifle debate is also a tired method. Sorry.

a reply to: Freija

Its a wedge issue and is primarily aimed at limiting peoples thoughts and speech. That's my problem no matter how often you try to deflect by assuming I have some kind of implied hatred of transsexuals. What is your interest? Do you feel the need to white knight for every cry of victim hood or is this particular issue relevant to you outside of trying to convert people?

originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Like how you call yourself a libertarian but constantly scream for more government and side with nearly every leftist issue and no one buys it?

Just having fun at your expense KS ;P

You didn't see the thread a week or two ago where I decided to start calling myself a Democratic Socialist now?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Debunkology

I've already proven you wrong with actual links. You are going to have to do better than just your opinion to convince me otherwise.

You haven't proven me wrong whatsoever. You are also going to have to do better than just your opinion to convince me otherwise.

It's easy to use weak arguments against themselves.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

HAHA . I like you Krazysh0t.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Fair points, thank you.

I also regret that Dog Person is the term used as dog generally has a negative connotation. I only used it because the idea was already posed within the thread.

I feel more confident in the "born with a penis therefore argument" because it can be proven without having to bend over backwards to make sense. Occam's razor mostly.

originally posted by: Debunkology

originally posted by: Bennyzilla
At what point do you reach the point that people who don't want to believe transgendered people deserve special treatment are at? Where does ones personal feelings about their existence become fantasy and not reality?

I'm unclear on how, if transgender is not a choice one makes, you could not also extend your support to Dog-Person as well.

That’s simply why I brought the ‘Dog-Person’ up. I was also interested where the lines are drawn.

The ‘Progressive Movement’ is now at a critical point where it is replacing reality with ‘ideas’, ‘belief’, ‘falseness’ and ‘fantasy’. It has come to the point where progress is not an 'improved condition', but just a ‘moving forward into a destination' in order to remain relevant.

That destination is also one of delusion.

originally posted by: Freija
Can't people take one day out of their life to stop and genuinely think about this for once rather than taking some poor person's death as an opportunity to spout off their rhetoric and unscientific nonsense.

The irony of this post is phenomenal. The ones using the opportunity to spout off their rhetoric and unscientific nonsense is those that are part of the LGBT community and 'progressive movement'!

The tactics of accusing rational people as being fearful or trying to stifle debate is also a tired method. Sorry.

This post! This is the heart of the matter for many. Kudos.

a reply to: Debunkology

I posted a link with a bunch of medical definitions of gender. Each of which was sourced from a different medical organization. YOU'VE given me just your opinion. Like I said, you are going to have to present a better counter-argument than just your disagreement here.