Transgender Issues Finally Gain Recognition On Capitol Hill

a reply to: reldra

I have been in clubs that restrooms are unisex, here in the US, specially in Virginia and DC, no problem as an adult, but you can never erase decades of gender separation in just a few years, is not going to happen, that is the way of human nature.

Parents have the right to choose what they feel is safe for their children regardless of bias base on religion or believes.

That is they way things are right now, is not going to chance overnight.

a reply to: reldra

First, is a pre-op m to f really have it on their mind to rape women?

Oh I HIGHLY doubt it. I'm not worried about pre op people going around raping.

Second, where are these rape vicims who are afraid of pre-op male to female transexuals? Have they spoken on this and where?

I've seen it discussed a number of times, I'm going to be honest and say I don't have a source though. Considering how many women who are raped have a problem with intimacy even with a romantic partner, I would think that suddenly having a penis in their face while in a space reserved for women could be rather alarming. My point being that it's not just yuck a penis, there are also some legitimate reasons other than our weird body hangups that come up.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The hate laws in the US right now are as follow,

Hate crime laws in the United States protect against hate crimes (also known as bias crimes) motivated by enmity or animus against a protected class. Although state laws vary, current statutes permit federal prosecution of hate crimes committed on the basis of a person's protected characteristics of race, religion, ethnicity, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability. The U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ)/FBI, as well as campus security authorities, are required to collect and publish hate crime statistics.

en.wikipedia.org...

Now I guess the issue of the new establishment of hate laws are to be geared to LGBT directly, I wonder how different they will be to the ones we already have.

I wish I could get a copy of what is been proposed.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: reldra

I have been in clubs that restrooms are unisex, here in the US, specially in Virginia and DC, no problem as an adult, but you can never erase decades of gender separation in just a few years, is not going to happen, that is the way of human nature.

Parents have the right to choose what they feel is safe for their children regardless of bias base on religion or believes.

That is they way things are right now, is not going to chance overnight.

As I have said before, when I was in college, I lived in co-ed dorms. The common bathroom/shower rooms were used interchangeably. They all had stalls for toilets and curtained stalls for showers. The line was shorter at 7am in the men;s room so I used that one, along with a lot of girls. That was a large State University. There must be other places that happens and people don't suddenly gain lost modesty when leaving the University.

At one point, the boyfriend of one of my dormmates lived in our room, he had been kicked out of his room. It went on for a month. We all dressed in that room, along with him every morning. I don't recall him walking around completely naked, though.
One morning my mother showed up with supplies and laundry change for me. We are all in various states of getting dressed for class. She introduced herself, didn't seem ruffled by it, had a brief conversation with the 3 of us and left.

a reply to: marg6043

It wouldn't be a new law. It would just modify the existing Civil Rights law, just like what happens every time we add a new group to the protected list of minorities.

By the way, your link isn't talking about national hate crime laws. It is talking about from state to state. So what is said in your quote may be true in one state but not be the case in another.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: marg6043

Though lgbtq don't have anti-hate protections yet. That's why I mentioned this in the OP:

In July, a group of lawmakers introduced the Equality Act, which would update federal law to provide nondiscrimination protections for LGBT people. The White House recently endorsed it, but it hasn't moved anywhere in Congress.

I think this is more important than the bathroom debate (sorry for participating in that sub conversation). I was unaware there were no protections, that certainly should change.

a reply to: Domo1

I'd be willing to bet that transgender folks will not be parading around naked in public restrooms or locker rooms, especially if they haven't fully transitioned yet. They want to be in the room where they identify with the gender, they don't want to stand out as not looking like that gender. They won't be proudly showing their penis in the girl's locker room. They'll be trying to hide it, as it won't fit in. Prove to me I'm wrong.

originally posted by: Domo1

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: marg6043

Though lgbtq don't have anti-hate protections yet. That's why I mentioned this in the OP:

In July, a group of lawmakers introduced the Equality Act, which would update federal law to provide nondiscrimination protections for LGBT people. The White House recently endorsed it, but it hasn't moved anywhere in Congress.

I think this is more important than the bathroom debate (sorry for participating in that sub conversation). I was unaware there were no protections, that certainly should change.

I'm sorry too, but someone always brings it up and I can;t help myself. lol

a reply to: Domo1

I do too. I think it is the most pressing and important issue facing the lgbtq community. The bathroom debate is really just an extension of it. Though I'm pretty sure the bathroom debate gets more air time because it is more controversial.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Domo1

I'd be willing to bet that transgender folks will not be parading around naked in public restrooms or locker rooms, especially if they haven't fully transitioned yet. They want to be in the room where they identify with the gender, they don't want to stand out as not looking like that gender. They won't be proudly showing their penis in the girl's locker room. They'll be trying to hide it, as it won't fit in. Prove to me I'm wrong.

Correct!

a reply to: kaylaluv

Prove to me I'm wrong.

Prove to me you're right.

One of the issues that arises is that it opens the door for anyone to claim they are transgender and use the women's facility. I actually tend to agree that the last thing a legitimate transgendered person wants is to bring attention to their differences.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

More conundrums, this Trans gender issue is absolutely infuriating. I am really skeptical about integrating this life style into the normal society. On the most part I thing Trans gendered persons should be allowed to have their own facilities, identities etc. to be treated as a Disability or a mental state.
So I cannot stress how important it is for conducting research on the cause of transsexuality and to cure it by all possible treatments rather than integration.

a reply to: Domo1

You do realize that there is nothing stopping a pervert from putting on a dress now and parading around with their junk out in a women's locker room/bathroom right? All he has to do is just open the door and walk in. Well there IS the law, and the law against indecent exposure wouldn't just disappear with allowing transgender people to go to the bathrooms of their choosing. That pervert would STILL get arrested in such a case if we let transgender people into the bathrooms of their choosing.

a reply to: Domo1

I'll prove to you I'm right because there are zero news stories of transgender females who are pre-op forcing others to look at their penis in public restrooms or lockers, causing undue distress for sensitive females.

So there.

The whole bathroom/locker room thing is complicated and a distraction. I'll just post these links here without further comment:

Feds say Illinois school district broke law by banning transgender student from girls’ locker room

Full text of the decision: Department of Education report on District 211 Title IX violations

PS.

Hi

a reply to: toktaylor

Ah yes the guy who thinks that "curing" gender dysphoria is somehow going to work despite the fact that "curing" homosexuality has all been proven to not work whatsoever. Hey it's not homosexuality right? It's GOTTA work this time!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Sorry about that, but actually they are not very different from the ones supported by the supreme court.

In June 1993, the United States Supreme Court upheld a Wisconsin hate crime statute that was based on model legislation originally drafted by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) in 1981. (Wisconsin v. Mitchell, 508 U.S. 476 (1993)).

The following year, ADL published a detailed report on hate crimes laws, Hate Crimes Laws: A Comprehensive Guide, which functions as a reference on hate crimes legislation nationwide. This update is meant to complement the 1994 report and encompasses changes that have occurred since that time, including the League's recent addition of gender to its model hate crimes legislation, and the passage of additional Federal legislation, as well as a description of a number of Federal training and education initiatives to confront hate violence.

www.adl.org...

The supreme court already has review the hate crime model base on the state of Wisconsin, so gender was the latest addition to it.

I am sure that the it will be a none issue.

a reply to: marg6043

I mean I agree that it is only a matter of time before it officially becomes law. Clearly the Supreme Court agrees as you've shown. It just hasn't happened yet.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

You do realize that there is nothing stopping a pervert from putting on a dress now and parading around with their junk out in a women's locker room/bathroom right?

BRB, I wanna go try something.

Well there IS the law, and the law against indecent exposure wouldn't just disappear with allowing transgender people to go to the bathrooms of their choosing.

Wouldn't it though? Claiming to be transgender sounds like free pass to parade around naked in the opposite sex facility. Was it indecent exposure or just someone walking around naked? How are you going to prove it and not be sued for discrimination? I'm actually far less concerned with transgender people acting like indiscreet assholes than I am about people taking advantage of a vague law to get their jollies off. Like the weirdos that watch porn at the library.

We're doing it again.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

That is the issue that most parents are having when it comes to who is really who.

I am trying to be as gentle as I can, but as we know is its a lot of perverts around regardless and we do have laws against indecent exposure.

This issues are not going away, they will have to be dealt with and accommodations will have to be made for the safety, privacy and rights of all.