Groups want students who say “All Lives Matter” punished and re-educated

So , all animals are equal , but some animals are more equal than others . I was going to throw in , four legs good , two legs bad but i don't want to be labelled a racist .

Animal farm .
George Orwell

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So, basically, what they want is for all whites to say, "Yes, massa, sorry that my skin color oppressed you so much that you got into college, and have the right to silence others, threaten them, attack them, and do whatever you want with a free pass because you aren't white. Gee, massa, sorry about that."?

What a crock!! These entitled little whiners ought to be expelled, en masse, since they can't handle real life. My kid id working, and can't afford college yet, and these special little snowflakes want to talk about being oppressed? I notice they didn't list anti-white racism. Of course not! They want that kind!

Nice, too, how they want the campus police to state there will be no retaliation for "anything" resulting from their "movement". So, if they burn down buildings with other students inside, they want a free pass? Saying "all lives matter" warrants "extensive training for racial and cultural competency"??

If the schools want to do something about racism, step one is to remove these racists. Step two is to seriously review admission policies. Step three is to instruct staff to stop apologizing for doing nothing wrong.

I don't care what color someone is, but I will not, ever, apologize for the color of my skin, or for perceived slights from others, and bow down and kiss the feet of people that want to behave as these do. They are the worst sort of hypocrites. Being racists, while claiming others are racist against them, does not help anyone.

Do white people have the right to suffer anymore? White people are also victims of racism, every day. If this group has zero interest or compassion for whites, why should whites have interest and compassion for them? You must reciprocate empathy. Give love to get it. Give respect to get it.

originally posted by: dreamlotus1111
the fact of the matter is that all lives matters equates to a MAJORITY group discrediting the significance of a MINORITY groups concerns for themselves. its quite blatant if you ask me.

All lives do matter, especially here in the US, Black, Brown, Yellow, Red, and White. I read today, a white man was gunned down by the police in the Carolina's because he refused to let the police search his home without a warrant. We, as the human race, need to stop seeing skin color, and judge each individual by their own merit. I do not understand why this concept is so hard to grasp for some folks, of all colors.

originally posted by: hammanderr
Do white people have the right to suffer anymore? White people are also victims of racism, every day. If this group has zero interest or compassion for whites, why should whites have interest and compassion for them? You must reciprocate empathy. Give love to get it. Give respect to get it.

Please explain how you have experienced racism as a white person. I am a 55 YO white man, and the only time in my life, I might have experienced racism, an older black man approached me and said, none of these youngin's know how to cut straight hair, and then proceeded to give me one of the best hair cuts of my life.

ETA: One other time with two black friends in a black bar, probably the only white guy in 20 square blocks. We were sitting with a group of their friends, and a couple of guys started hassling me, 6'8" guy at the head of the table stood up, and said he is with us, story over. Honestly as a white male with friends of different ethnicities, have never felt the heat of racism. Might stop at a bar in the hood tomorrow for a beer and see if that has changed, will report back.

originally posted by: hammanderr
Do white people have the right to suffer anymore? White people are also victims of racism, every day. If this group has zero interest or compassion for whites, why should whites have interest and compassion for them? You must reciprocate empathy. Give love to get it. Give respect to get it.

a reply to: dreamlotus1111

Sorry, but that cartoon is a crock. The college student that started this crap is the son of a multi-millionaire. Everything he wants, he can buy. No one in my family every had that sort of benefit.

My immigrant ancestors weren't given anything. They worked very hard for all they had. The house my grandfather bought, he saved and paid cash for. No one handed him a position based on his skin color, or his family. He earned everything he had, and he was never rich. Same for all of my family, both sides. My son isn't in college, because he can't afford it, and we don't have the fun to send him. Yet this spoiled brat wants to whine and claim he's "oppressed" because of his skin color? All these college kids are in college, and most have parents paying their way, who can afford it, or got in based on their skin color. White privilege, my eye!

I have family members that have been harassed by police, for nothing but being there. Same son as above was stopped for walking at night, to work, because a criminal was in the area. Family members have been turned down for loans, because they didn't have the right credit.

People are sick of the excuses. There was a time when there was actual racism against blacks, on an institutional scale, but that time passed decades ago. Instead of whining and pretending it's still happening, these kids need to shape up, grow up, and make something of themselves. What they don't need to do is demand that everyone coddle them because "racism". What they definitely don't need to do is act like racists in the process.

(sarcasm)Now I have to go off and pout somewhere because I don't feel safe, and I am oppressed, since they didn't list my race in the demands as protected. (/sarcasm)

a reply to: BubbaJoe

That's probably the same level of racism the average African American College student has faced. The claim has become little more than a crutch... an excuse for abdication of personal responsibility and an excuse to constantly whine, for some. What passes for "racism" in America in 2015 would have made a black American burst into uproarious laughter 50 years ago.

a reply to: introvert

The answer, as it pertains to this particular subject, is not what is important.

But this IS the specific topic we are talking about.

What's important is that we engage in the discussion with these BLM people, without any particular bias from the outset. I believe that is what they want the most. Just to be heard and to be taken seriously enough to spark an investigation/discussion.

Why? That is to say, although it may very well be the case that certain areas do treat certain minorities more harshly than they deserve, the incidents and alleged actions by law enforcement that have highlighted by the BLM movement have, overall, been based on lies. "Hands up, Don't shoot!" was proven to be a lie.

So my question is, why should every issue "spark an investigation" (your words) just because people are screaming loudly about it (despite whether or not the facts support what they are shouting about)? Is not even a cursory review of the information/data available warranted before it gets kicked up to the next level?

I don't have all of the statistics on-hand to prove to everyone that systemic racism is as big a problem as is indicated, but I am willing to be part of the debate without complete dismissal

Understood and I will say I don't have the statistics on-hand to support/defend/disprove any particular claim. I would say that it is important for all of us to acknowledge that (to ourselves) before making claims.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: BubbaJoe

That's probably the same level of racism the average African American College student has faced. The claim has become little more than a crutch... an excuse for abdication of personal responsibility and an excuse to constantly whine, for some. What passes for "racism" in America in 2015 would have made a black American burst into uproarious laughter 50 years ago.

do you have any idea what the term underhanded racism means especially in regards to todays society?

a reply to: dreamlotus1111

We have way too many terms in today's society. Either you're discriminated against, or you are not. All the rest is manufactured BS used to control people and ensure Americans are too pissed off at each other to notice the government discriminates against us all on a daily basis.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
I am sure everyone has heard about the demands these left wing students are making, but has anyone actually posted their demands and what it actually means if they are followed?



Let's look at their "demands"...

By Alex Thomas

AMHERST, Mass. (INTELLIHUB) — Hard left authoritarians at Amherst College have issued a series of demands, under the threat of civil disobedience, that include the complete end of free speech on campus as well as extensive re-education for offenders.

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1. President Martin must issue a statement of apology to students, alumni and former students, faculty, administration and staff who have been victims of several injustices including but not limited to our institutional legacy of white supremacy, colonialism, anti-black racism, anti-Latinx racism, anti-Native American racism, anti-Native/ indigenous racism, anti-Asian racism, anti-Middle Eastern racism, heterosexism, cis-sexism, xenophobia, anti-Semitism, ableism, mental health stigma, and classism. Also include that marginalized communities and their allies should feel safe at Amherst College.

2. We demand Cullen Murphy ‘74, Chairman of the Board of Trustees, to issue a statement of apology to students, alumni and former students, faculty, administration, and staff who have been victims of several injustices including but not limited to our institutional legacy of white supremacy, colonialism, anti-black racism, anti-Latinx racism, anti-Native American racism, anti-Native/ indigenous racism, anti-Asian racism, anti-Middle Eastern racism, heterosexism, cis-sexism, xenophobia, anti-Semitism, ableism, mental health stigma, and classism.

3. Amherst College Police Department must issue a statement of protection and defense from any form of violence, threats, or retaliation of any kind resulting from this movement.

4. President Martin must issue a statement of apology to faculty, staff and administrators of color as well as their allies, neither of whom were provided a safe space for them to thrive while at Amherst College.

5. President Martin must issue a statement to the Amherst College community at large that states we do not tolerate the actions of student(s) who posted the “All Lives Matter” posters, and the “Free Speech” posters that stated that “in memoriam of the true victim of the Missouri Protests: Free Speech.” Also let the student body know that it was racially insensitive to the students of color on our college campus and beyond who are victim to racial harassment and death threats; alert them that Student Affairs may require them to go through the Disciplinary Process if a formal complaint is filed, and that they will be required to attend extensive training for racial and cultural competency.

6. President Martin must issue a statement of support for the revision of the Honor Code to reflect a zero-tolerance policy for racial insensitivity and hate speech.

7. President Martin must release a statement by Friday, November 13th, 2015 by 5:00pm that condemns the inherent racist nature of the unofficial mascot, the Lord Jeff, and circulate it to the student body, faculty, alumni, and Board of Trustees. This will be followed up by the encouraged removal of all imagery including but not limited to apparel, memorabilia, facilities, etc. for Amherst College and all of its affiliates via a phasing out process within the next year.
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www.intellihub.com...

So,to sum it up President Martin has to apologize for being white, and people who say anything that these people can view as "racially motivated", such as saying "all lives matter" will not be tolerated according to their demands. But also anyone who says such a phrase will be forced to go through re-education for being racists...

Those are the kind of demands these people want. What these protesters are demanding is fascism. It isn't "social justice" as they claim.

Since when saying "all lives matter" means being a racist against anyone?...

I am Hispanic myself, and this to me is simply a fascist movement that want people to bow to their left-wing, fascist doctrine.

Yes, there is still racism, even I have experienced it, but this is no excuse to demand for people to be re-educated when they say a phrase which is obviously not racist at all. There are already laws that deal with racially motivated crimes.

The "freedom of speech of a few" is being used to force the demands of a section of the population on the rest. That's what these students are doing.

I get your frustration and the concern, but it is important you realize that this isn't "hard left," but instead the social justice movement and it's more fringe elements. In fact, this stuff is becoming standard liberal democrat stuff.

It's not "real" left, as the old school left focused more on class and exploitation based around that, not based on race as much. In fact, the social justice movement often will deride someone who focuses on the traditional real leftist ideas, i.e. that it is class that defines these problems.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: dreamlotus1111

Sorry, but that cartoon is a crock. The college student that started this crap is the son of a multi-millionaire. Everything he wants, he can buy. No one in my family every had that sort of benefit.

Of course that cartoon is a complete crock!!!

The person who posted (apparently) had no thoughtful insight to add to the discussion. Rather, he/she provided a comic (a one-sided, baseless comic at that) which attempted to shut down rational discussion. It is what some people do when they don't have any facts, figures or even philosophical arguments to support their position.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
This falls into the same realm of many liberals wanting those critical of global warming to be legally prosecuted

Silence the opposition, I'm not saying all of them feel this way by any means

But it looks like to me we are going Down a very dark road

False equivalency. First, few liberals want someone to be actually prosecuted for merely criticizing global warming.

However, when it comes to policy, it is logically fallacious and actually morally irresponsible to equate a side that is extremely well supported by evidence (anthropogenic climate change) with one that is not (climate change is not real or humans aren't impacting it). It's even more dangerous to refuse to take necessary action when climate change will affect everyone, not just the deniers.

Similarly, nobody should be prosecuted or what have you for simply racially motivated speech, and much less so for disagreeing with social justice warriors. I find the latter reprehensible. However, if someone were to actual take real racial actions against someone, or PREVENT justice from happening to stop racial problems, then just like stopping action on climate change that person is a legitimate danger.

a reply to: eluryh22

So my question is, why should every issue "spark an investigation" (your words) just because people are screaming loudly about it (despite whether or not the facts support what they are shouting about)?

Excellent question.

As a nation that was founded on the idea that this is a nation for, by and of the people, we need to let people's voice be heard and address their issues(s) as needed. This isn't just a few people with minor grievances against the police. It is a perceived backlash against what these people believe to be an injustice that directly contradicts their constitutional rights.

We should take any claim of constitutional infringement seriously and allow it to be fairly investigated.

What the ALM group is doing is belittling the BLM movement right off the bat and politicizes it to a point that any investigation or consideration is deemed to be pandering to a PC cause. Then the BLM folks take it to the next level because their cause is being diminished.

One fuels the other in it's extremes and we never seem to actually address the initial premise.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
This falls into the same realm of many liberals wanting those critical of global warming to be legally prosecuted

Silence the opposition, I'm not saying all of them feel this way by any means

But it looks like to me we are going Down a very dark road

However, when it comes to policy, it is logically fallacious and actually morally irresponsible to equate a side that is extremely well supported by evidence (anthropogenic climate change) with one that is not (climate change is not real or humans aren't impacting it). It's even more dangerous to refuse to take necessary action when climate change will affect everyone, not just the deniers.

My opinion.... you were working on a decent set of logic and thought process until you (perhaps unintentionally or by being misinformed) mentioned "anthropogenic climate change".

I will not pretend to speak to your intentions but you seem to ignore the Vostok Ice Core which shows that temperature increases came BEFORE carbon increases.

I don't fault you for having opinions but I do fault you for making accusations against others, essentially calling people "dangerous," because they have not limited themselves to the specific set of data that you choose to entertain.

originally posted by: dreamlotus1111
saying "all lives matter" is like going into a breast cancer fundraiser and screaming "fighting all diseases matter, not JUST breast cancer"

hm is there not a tinge of negativity associated with such a statement?

I totally get this point.

But I also cringe at the complete defamation of anybody that uses the "all lives matter" statement.

They just like the feel of having their feet
On someone else's neck.
Simple as that.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: eluryh22

So my question is, why should every issue "spark an investigation" (your words) just because people are screaming loudly about it (despite whether or not the facts support what they are shouting about)?

Excellent question.

As a nation that was founded on the idea that this is a nation for, by and of the people, we need to let people's voice be heard and address their issues(s) as needed. This isn't just a few people with minor grievances against the police. It is a perceived backlash against what these people believe to be an injustice that directly contradicts their constitutional rights.

We should take any claim of constitutional infringement seriously and allow it to be fairly investigated.

What the ALM group is doing is belittling the BLM movement right off the bat and politicizes it to a point that any investigation or consideration is deemed to be pandering to a PC cause. Then the BLM folks take it to the next level because their cause is being diminished.

One fuels the other in it's extremes and we never seem to actually address the initial premise.

very well said

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The doctrine being espoused here by this delusional illogical minority and somewhat promoted by an unscrupulous main stream media, appears to hold forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

Announcing that "you're offended" is basically telling the world that you cannot control your own emotions so everyone else should do it for you.

Clearly "Education" and "knowledge" are at opposite ends of the learning spectrum.

When you nail it brother, you do a bang up job of it.
Possible best reply I've ever read here, a contender for sure.