The Obvious Strategy of The Islamic State Is Working, You’re All Being Stupid

originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: 222mockingbirdlane

Facebook would be a great example of "Mob Mentality".

Suppose it also depends on your friends list on Facebook, for every negative comment I've seen on Facebook, I've seen 10 positive.

That is starkly different than what I see, putting it mildly. For that to be possible there has to be a big defining factor between the people we are looking at ( talking about Facebook alone) if I'm seeing 24 out of 25 anti Syrian refugee, and your seeing 1 out of 11 anti Syrian refugee. My people are all different races, ages, not part of any particular sect or political affiliations. But, 90% are from the U.S. So that's a defining factor. What is a defining factor in your group?

a reply to: 222mockingbirdlane

Probably defining factor in my group would be 0% Americans!

No offence to any Americans btw

a reply to: 222mockingbirdlane

The small bubble only exists right here, on ATS.

It's conformism you're talking about, not consensus. From inside the propaganda-bubble you can only see reflections and the MSM constantly reaffirms this delusional state of mind.

Ever heard of Plato's allegory of the cave? Some will always return to their wall of shadows as it takes bravery to look into the world with open eyes. Not everyone can stand it, we're used to watch shadowplays on a reduced flatscreen that represents the world. An interactive and chaotic reality is way to overwhelming to bear, at least for most of us. Psychology calls this cognitive dissonance, I call it a way of life.

originally posted by: 222mockingbirdlane

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: 222mockingbirdlane
Anyone notice that there is an abundance of people with the "pro Muslim, pro taking in Syrian refugee" mindset on ATS? In other situations, I personally am very hard pressed to find people who feel that way. In America, it seems like maybe, 1 in 25 people have that view. So, why are there so many on ATS, I have to wonder who these people really are and where they are from.

Maybe if you widen your circle you might be surprised,folks do live in bubbles after all.

That's always a good thing to do, but my husband and I own a pretty far reaching entertainment business, my bubble is pretty big. Even looking at Facebook alone, hundreds of people who never usually mention politics are outspoken about this. It's easy to see what the consensus is. The small bubble only exists right here, on ATS.

You are correct, even this thread is nothing more than a tactic. If you are going to run a site like ATS you probably want management and staff to reflect a certain perspective for many reasons, quotes taken out of context reflect it as a "hate site" can't be good for rankings, investigations and attraction of dangerous patrons...

But still aside from that you are right, there has always been a very PC side to Ats not to mention an ever present grouping of people waiting for the Federation of light to arrive lol, etc etc. It's natural that this side would have a strong base of Utopian thinking given the initial base topics like UFO's and other things.

But still 26 Governors have decided to say NO to Syrian refugees and at last count only 4 have said Yes

Ats has a way of it's users saying that their way is correct and simply straight out lying to demand you shut up, facts are facts does prevail sometimes and in this case the Facts are you are RIGHT, the majority of Americans clearly do not want this.

The other thing that is irksome is use of the word ignorance, I was a debate champ in school, my son is a State champion, National Forensic League all the way.... Complete and utter BS like hand picking staff by reflection of views in posts then using them to Delphi an audience is complete and utter garbage, not a debate just something Oprah does. (who of course understands this stuff because she was also in the National Forensic League) And yelling "ignorance" to back up what in the end is an argument of opinion would get you laughed off the stage honestly.

Call it "ignorant" as much as you want, doesn't change the fact that by the numbers this is not the opinion of most Americans.

I have sort of left the debate behind anyway, I think it is a clear example of the aspects of the left that are naive, but I don't want to keep the topic going anywhere because it will send voters to the Right in the next election and truth be told a cafe blowing up in Missouri or some people being shot off the highway by the handful of terrorists we will SURELY let in, isn't as important to me as raising the minimum wage, keeping social programs open, free education, health care... those things will save more American lives by 10,000 x the numbers than will suffer from being naive in regards to the human condition.... I'm quite sure WHEN the first thing blows up, the import will stop unanimously and in a non partisan fashion, it's plain to see that many of these refugees are soldiers... BUT in the end we have the Republicans to blame for the fact that they cry wolf in regards to immigration if a British guy overstays his Visa by 3 hrs lol... That the entire left has a gut instinct to label them paranoiac is founded, Trump with his wall for poor Mexicans lol, it's sick racist joke...

I still want a progressive in office next term. So eff it...

a reply to: criticalhit

or it could be a victim spiritual trap.

a vehicle to keep up the violence.

oh well I am a looney that sees too much in flags and stars

originally posted by: criticalhit
But still 26 Governors have decided to say NO to Syrian refugees and at last count only 4 have said Yes

This actually tells more about those governors then about topic. They did not wait to get all evidence to jump on that wagon, and appears that evidence they stated was planted by ISIS?! It clearly works well on low intelligence we see today in politics where those claiming they defend American values have somehow wicked view of what those values actually are... This is just a cheap political move that should help GOP somehow, because they do need fear factor to stay in power...

Here is very interesting article about this topic: Dear politicians who want to bar Syrian refugees: here are 6 ways you're wrong

As this topic heads to congress. we might yet see another government shut down about something that really is not a problem in USA... but hey... everything to keep ultra right / tea party happy, right?!

a reply to: SuperFrog

The unfortunate part is that this will pit my viewpoints against themselves and create some inner conflict.

I am not really for "banning" refugees from entry. But even more, I am absolutely, squarely in the corner of states rights. It isn't up to Uncle Sam to force individual states to take refugees from a non-allied (treatied) country. In fact, that falls decidedly outside my view of Washington's scope.

a reply to: StallionDuck

My deepest apologies for presuming to participate in a private conversation on a public forum. I agree that most people have completely different ideas of what constitutes bullying, ranting, Christianity, Islam and most everything else too. I congratulate you for having determined the absolute truth.

a reply to: soficrow

Something I would expect from a 4 year old. Now you're just twisting words. I honestly think you're trying to push buttons here.

Good day....

The irony here. Pot calling a perceived kettle black. I guess ignorance really is bliss. You have fun with that.

originally posted by: 222mockingbirdlane
Anyone notice that there is an abundance of people with the "pro Muslim, pro taking in Syrian refugee" mindset on ATS? In other situations, I personally am very hard pressed to find people who feel that way. In America, it seems like maybe, 1 in 25 people have that view. So, why are there so many on ATS, I have to wonder who these people really are and where they are from.

weird aint it

originally posted by: Stormdancer777

originally posted by: 222mockingbirdlane
Anyone notice that there is an abundance of people with the "pro Muslim, pro taking in Syrian refugee" mindset on ATS? In other situations, I personally am very hard pressed to find people who feel that way. In America, it seems like maybe, 1 in 25 people have that view. So, why are there so many on ATS, I have to wonder who these people really are and where they are from.

weird aint it

Probably muslim.

Yeah weird. Betcha all those governors and others think they're good Christians too, when the reality is quite the opposite and they are acting out of pure greed or political interest, either or both of which Jesus would weep over. That or they're just scaredy cats.

• Luke 10:25-37. The Good Samaritan story.

• Luke 3:11. John the Baptist: “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”

• Hebrews 13:2. “Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.”

• Matthew 25:35-40. “35: For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in. 36: I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. 37: Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38: When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you? […] 40: The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.”

• James 2:14-17. “14: What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16: If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17: In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.”

• 1 John 3:17. “If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person?”

• Philippians 2:3-4. “3: Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4: not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.”

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But we've been here before. And we'll be here again.

a reply to: SBargisen

We're under your bed...

originally posted by: 222mockingbirdlane
Anyone notice that there is an abundance of people with the "pro Muslim, pro taking in Syrian refugee" mindset on ATS? In other situations, I personally am very hard pressed to find people who feel that way. In America, it seems like maybe, 1 in 25 people have that view. So, why are there so many on ATS, I have to wonder who these people really are and where they are from.

Could you explain why you think most people are pro-Muslim or pro-refugees, while the purpose of this thread and most people is to merely point out, that it's not reasonable to condemn an entire population or religion based upon the actions of a small radicalist group/organisation?
It's not about being pro-Muslim, it's about anti-polarisation and I think that beside Muslims, the same sentiment is shared among all religions by those who point this out.
I'm not religious at all and therefore not biased toward any in particular, but seeing how different religions are still woven throughout society, I think by singling out one and thereby favoring others will create a larger threat for us, than ISIS for instance could ever be.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, religion and terrorism are totally separate from each other, doesn't matter how often radicalists of any religion keep saying that their actions are inspired by their God.
Even if I'm not religious myself, I do however respect others that are, no matter what religion, because it's their personal choice, as it's my personal choice not to follow any.
I will never respect anyone, who are forcing their views upon others, with or without violence and that is where focus should be put on in my opinion.
In conclusion, there's no place in this world for any radicalism or extremism of any religion, period.

I would like to see 6% of the refugees coming in from Syria/Iraq/Lebanon/the Levant be the Christian Minority who are being kept out of ME refugee camps sponsored under UN supervision....

the reason why Christians are not in those camps is because the Muslims and principally the Sunni Jihadists/radical fundamentalists have the mindset of Genocide against those (Christian) 6% of the population fleeing the war

frig the moderate Muslims because they are the ones also accosting/stealing from/ threatning harm/raping the Christian displaced persons...

the jerk face WH that wants proportional representation of ALL ethnicities and gays for everything else---- has a NO Christians Welcome sign in Lady Libertys outstretched arm instead of a shining Torch...

but hey its been Muslims Uber Allesmuslim luv-fest, ever since the current communist/socialist/fascist regime took office with B. Hussein O.
but just as everything else about the Constitution that got slopped over, the No-Favorites-in-Religion clause got trash canned too...

every breath this guy takes is wrought with destruction of the American Way....

just how long must we wait for ISIS flag to fly over WH as promised ?

originally posted by: St Udio
every breath this guy takes is wrought with destruction of the American Way....

Please explain exactly what the American Way is in your opinion?
I'm very interested as a non-American, yet living in the Western world.

a reply to: St Udio

You must be on drugs, or have forgotten to take your meds or something because you're obviously confused...

originally posted by: aorAki
a reply to: St Udio

You must be on drugs, or have forgotten to take your meds or something because you're obviously confused...

Just curious....where was he wrong in your opinion? Instead of a personal insult, why not use facts to refute his statements and opinions? Just asking.

originally posted by: 222mockingbirdlane
Anyone notice that there is an abundance of people with the "pro Muslim, pro taking in Syrian refugee" mindset on ATS? In other situations, I personally am very hard pressed to find people who feel that way. In America, it seems like maybe, 1 in 25 people have that view. So, why are there so many on ATS, I have to wonder who these people really are and where they are from.

They are mostly non-American Westerners, and the extent of their thinking capacity is to say "Purple!" as soon as America says "Green." If Americans were mostly pro-refugee, they'd be saying the opposite, and we'd still be the big, ignorant bad guys.

originally posted by: queenofswords
Just curious....where was he wrong in your opinion? Instead of a personal insult, why not use facts to refute his statements and opinions? Just asking.

Do you hold everyone to the same standards? Nope, thought not...

Sure, I'll give it a go. Oh, wait, I shouldn't have even given his opinions the time of day.

originally posted by: St Udio


frig the moderate Muslims because they are the ones also accosting/stealing from/ threatning harm/raping the Christian displaced persons...

Source please.

originally posted by: St Udio
the jerk face WH that wants proportional representation of ALL ethnicities and gays for everything else---- has a NO Christians Welcome sign in Lady Libertys outstretched arm instead of a shining Torch...

That's ridiculous, untrue and totally paranoid. Shock horror, not just proportional representation of ALL ethnicities, but those gays as well. Oh my!

originally posted by: St Udio
but hey its been Muslims Uber Allesmuslim luv-fest, ever since the current communist/socialist/fascist regime took office with B. Hussein O.

Oh really? Perhaps those pesky drones might say otherwise? A communist socialist fascist regime huh? Nope, you ARE deranged, take your meds...

originally posted by: St Udio
but just as everything else about the Constitution that got slopped over, the No-Favorites-in-Religion clause got trash canned too...

Everything!?? Good lord you're a nutter. One of those types...

originally posted by: St Udio
every breath this guy takes is wrought with destruction of the American Way....

What IS the American Way (sic) ?

originally posted by: St Udiojust how long must we wait for ISIS flag to fly over WH as promised ?

I can guarantee that you won't be alive to witness it, and that it won't occur and it's just right-wing rhetoric from a position of hatred, intolerance and ignorance.