The Obvious Strategy of The Islamic State Is Working, You’re All Being Stupid

a reply to: haman10

Now how can a Muslim commit all of these disgusting acts of terror and call himself a human ? Let alone a Muslim?

Humans are animals, we are all capable, but at the same time we all have a choice no matter what the consequences might be.


Hate just brings out the worst in many,

Its a shame that a terror group can create so much hate, it works to the terrors group advantage even though if the hate is justified in many peoples eyes. I can understand But I wont allow myself to hate, it eats away at my being more so than anything else does, I let go of what ever hate I had in the past towards myself and towards things external of my being.

I am still recovering or stuck in zone where I feel I cant move forward, but in time with more love I know I can prosper mentally and physically for my own well being so as that my well being can touch those around me and create a snowball effect in the opposite way than what hate does.

Hate just breeds more hate, hate cant cancel itself out, only a humans free will can cancel the hate they might feel.

I have hope for humanity in these troubled times, there are more people that want peace than those that want war, but its hate and war ideologies that broadcast so much more loudly than the love and peace ideologies that volume of the hate muffles and makes the love unheard of in times when its needed to be heard.

a reply to: StallionDuck

Right now, you're acting like a bouncer with a bully complex standing outside a club where the likes of people like me aren't welcome. Get off it and deal with it. You don't have a right or a say so of who speaks here. If you don't like the questions I'm posing, maybe you should offer a solution or simply go your way.

lol. You're the bully, not me. I am female senior with a 4 year-old's sense of justice.

You are not posing questions - you are ranting and using ATS as a soapbox to hate-monger. I have a right to call you on your bs, and to stand up for reason and justice.

My question is do we accept the refugees or do we turn our backs on them. It seems like they should be able to handle their own issues. If they would just have their own military. But of course they did away with it.

The problem I have is ignorance where Americans see Paris as a haven but not Beirut. They want to do away with evil but have no idea how much they ruin in doing so.

This shouldn't be our fight. Yet everyone else wants us to fight. I don't really see what the US getting into a war with Isis is going to accomplish other than yet another enemy we can defeat. Honestly this debate of war gets old. What are the other countries trying to do to combat this besides asking us for aid. There is a whole lot missing only because my republican friends keep feeding me their be reasons to get into war.

originally posted by: GiulXainx
My question is do we accept the refugees or do we turn our backs on them. It seems like they should be able to handle their own issues. If they would just have their own military. But of course they did away with it.

The problem I have is ignorance where Americans see Paris as a haven but not Beirut. They want to do away with evil but have no idea how much they ruin in doing so.

This shouldn't be our fight. Yet everyone else wants us to fight. I don't really see what the US getting into a war with Isis is going to accomplish other than yet another enemy we can defeat. Honestly this debate of war gets old. What are the other countries trying to do to combat this besides asking us for aid. There is a whole lot missing only because my republican friends keep feeding me their be reasons to get into war.

At this point in time we have to fight ISIS, how we do it is a whole other story and like they used to say that's above my pay grade,but whatever we do, we should be smarter than them.

a reply to: Spider879

What makes it a "Difficulty Level: Master" type thing is that its not just ISIS you are gonna fight. Its also all the people along the chain of command between a nation and its war apparatus. If a buck can be made, even if it means being obstinate and will cost a few more lives, you can bet your sweet ass that a buck will be made.

War is more about squeezing blood from stones and less about righting injustices. Righting injustices is merely cover for ulterior motives.

And that is the handbasket that has brought us to hell in the first place: ulterior motives.

a reply to: soficrow

Seriously?

Let's break this down, shall we?

I made a response to the OP. Others made a response to my response, apparently not understanding my point, which was pretty clear, I might add. Now... Instead of actually arguing the point I was making, they were simply saying the same damn thing I was getting at. How they misread my original response is beyond me. It was clear. Others understood it.

Fast forward to the post that I responded to, the same response that YOU responded to.... which had nothing to do with you, I might add. Since you decided to take it upon yourself to jump in and try to call me out on BS that wasn't there, I'll explain it to you in a "4 year old" way.

Let's see if you get confused.

Someone said that "Christians" have done the same as ISIS in some date and time. My argument is.... You can't label someone Christian if they're not following the terms of what is Christianity. Doesn't matter if the person call's themselves a Christian or not. Plain and simple. You with me? Hope I don't loose you...

The response was akin to someone else responding to what you just read and said basically that Christians have done the same bla bla bla... My argument again is... Just because you call yourself whatever, doesn't mean you are. I can call myself black, or jewish and kill in the name of it.. but I'm neither, so how would it apply? Hence the loop comment.

Now... YOU came in to my post and pushed your "you need to back off" statement. So who's being the bully? I was having a CIVIL argument. No soapbox. Unless you mean the very same one you're standing on now.

In case you haven't noticed... ATS is a HUGE friggin soap box, based on your definition of it. If you're accusing me of it because I argued my point to someone who responded to MY response.. then yes... ATS is one big soap box and sorry to say, you're standing on it to.

The audacity of you telling me what I should do here when your voice is no more important than mine.... 4 year olds sense of justice huh? Hey... you said it. To top it off, your self prescribed "reason and justice" seems to be lacking in the sense that you apparently have no idea what any of this is about. You just wanted to jump in and throw out your 2 cents.

My responses were not rants. THIS is not a rant. Calling you a mindless, unintelligent liberal... now THAT would be a rant. (bet you come back and say I resorted to name calling)

So, either you read what was intended, stop putting your own ideas in between my lines or just carry on with your 4 year old justice system. What's really sad is... people actually agreed with you and they themselves, I'm betting, didn't even know what the responses were about. They just seen one person pouncing on another and went with it. Otherwise they, like yourself if you had an inkling of a clue as to where I was coming from, wouldn't have me responding right now.

Why don't you go back and read what I said and where it came from... Then come back and tell me why my responses were rant. Go on... I challenge you. Tell me exactly what I said in my posts that made me a bully, that proves that I was ranting. Then.. Tell me what the substance of my posts were. What were they about? Why do you disagree? I'm calling you out. Do it... Let's see how worthy your judgmental 4 year old justice system works.

originally posted by: GiulXainx
My question is do we accept the refugees or do we turn our backs on them. It seems like they should be able to handle their own issues. If they would just have their own military. But of course they did away with it.

The problem I have is ignorance where Americans see Paris as a haven but not Beirut. They want to do away with evil but have no idea how much they ruin in doing so.

This shouldn't be our fight. Yet everyone else wants us to fight. I don't really see what the US getting into a war with Isis is going to accomplish other than yet another enemy we can defeat. Honestly this debate of war gets old. What are the other countries trying to do to combat this besides asking us for aid. There is a whole lot missing only because my republican friends keep feeding me their be reasons to get into war.

If you went to your neighbors house and burned it to the ground, would you have a responsibility for housing his children?

Seems to me that if We The People don't like the refugee deal...then we should swallow the bitter pill, learn a hard lesson, and give a nice hard yank on our governments leash.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Spider879

What makes it a "Difficulty Level: Master" type thing is that its not just ISIS you are gonna fight. Its also all the people along the chain of command between a nation and its war apparatus. If a buck can be made, even if it means being obstinate and will cost a few more lives, you can bet your sweet ass that a buck will be made.

War is more about squeezing blood from stones and less about righting injustices. Righting injustices is merely cover for ulterior motives.

And that is the handbasket that has brought us to hell in the first place: ulterior motives.

Dang what you said make that even more problematic ,the hidden hands cost a lot more lives and money than on the battlefield..sigh!.

Anyone notice that there is an abundance of people with the "pro Muslim, pro taking in Syrian refugee" mindset on ATS? In other situations, I personally am very hard pressed to find people who feel that way. In America, it seems like maybe, 1 in 25 people have that view. So, why are there so many on ATS, I have to wonder who these people really are and where they are from.

originally posted by: 222mockingbirdlane
Anyone notice that there is an abundance of people with the "pro Muslim, pro taking in Syrian refugee" mindset on ATS? In other situations, I personally am very hard pressed to find people who feel that way. In America, it seems like maybe, 1 in 25 people have that view. So, why are there so many on ATS, I have to wonder who these people really are and where they are from.

Maybe if you widen your circle you might be surprised,folks do live in bubbles after all.

a reply to: 222mockingbirdlane
I think your 1 in 25 view maybe a bit off. At least I hope it is. Every American should be concerned if they are told that refugees are coming in from Syria and at the same time paris just captured 7 refugees held up in an isis safe house.

The problem is the lack of details concerning the vetting process and waiting period. One group says they will be vetted and the other group says there is no way to vet them because of lack of records. I am understanding that there is a two yr waiting period in usa and that they are being vetted against known terror list.

There is a risk and the refugees should be closely monitored.


Looks like your post struck a nerve and after rereading your post I am realizing that the flu has hampered my comprehension skills. I agree that most americans are for taking extreme caution or no refugees at all. I see now that is what you were saying. yes there is a strong but silent muslim support on ats.

originally posted by: 222mockingbirdlane
Anyone notice that there is an abundance of people with the "pro Muslim, pro taking in Syrian refugee" mindset on ATS? In other situations, I personally am very hard pressed to find people who feel that way. In America, it seems like maybe, 1 in 25 people have that view. So, why are there so many on ATS, I have to wonder who these people really are and where they are from.

Well...personal accountability and taking responsibility for ones actions (or inactions) really isn't en vogue in the US. So its unsurprising that the majority of people feel that way.

originally posted by: 222mockingbirdlane
Anyone notice that there is an abundance of people with the "pro Muslim, pro taking in Syrian refugee" mindset on ATS? In other situations, I personally am very hard pressed to find people who feel that way. In America, it seems like maybe, 1 in 25 people have that view. So, why are there so many on ATS, I have to wonder who these people really are and where they are from.

Perhaps on ATS there are people who see the reality of the situation and accept the hand that our respective governments have played in creating the crisis in the first place. It is not about being pro Muslim but about paying for what we have done. We might not like the idea of housing those refugees but should accept the responsibility and realise it is a small price pay to for our crimes.

a reply to: deadeyedick

Looks like your post struck a nerve and after rereading your post I am realizing that the flu has hampered my comprehension skills. I agree that most americans are for taking extreme caution or no refugees at all. I see now that is what you were saying. yes there is a strong but silent muslim support on ats.

I'm not pro Muslim, or Christian for that matter. It isn't a requirement when it comes down to calling it like it is. I see extreme caution when it comes down to protecting American lives. It's a pity that the same caution is not used whilst bombing and killing others in the middle East. The truth is every life deserves the same respect.

a reply to: deadeyedick

It is pretty close to zero sum thinking to assert that there is "muslim support" on ATS.

What I see on ATS is support for humans in need due to the inappropriate actions of our government(s). In this case, yes....its Muslims. But its wholly irrelevant to someone who is unconcerned with peoples religious leanings. All that matters is that they are human.

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: 222mockingbirdlane
Anyone notice that there is an abundance of people with the "pro Muslim, pro taking in Syrian refugee" mindset on ATS? In other situations, I personally am very hard pressed to find people who feel that way. In America, it seems like maybe, 1 in 25 people have that view. So, why are there so many on ATS, I have to wonder who these people really are and where they are from.

Maybe if you widen your circle you might be surprised,folks do live in bubbles after all.

That's always a good thing to do, but my husband and I own a pretty far reaching entertainment business, my bubble is pretty big. Even looking at Facebook alone, hundreds of people who never usually mention politics are outspoken about this. It's easy to see what the consensus is. The small bubble only exists right here, on ATS.

a reply to: 222mockingbirdlane

Facebook would be a great example of "Mob Mentality".

Suppose it also depends on your friends list on Facebook, for every negative comment I've seen on Facebook, I've seen 10 positive.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I enjoy your view and wish I had the same eyes as you but some things I can unsee.

It is just mind boggling and all I can figure is that before we all came to earth the bad guy must have taken the role of what is good and what makes sense. Nothing else can explain what i am witnessing.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I enjoy your view and wish I had the same eyes as you but some things I can unsee.

It is just mind boggling and all I can figure is that before we all came to earth the bad guy must have taken the role of what is good and what makes sense. Nothing else can explain what i am witnessing.

THis is a bit off topic, but ill post it anyway.

There was no bad guy. There is "us". We are all stuck on this rock together, and if reincarnation is a truth, we are all stuck here together doing this over and over again repeatedly. Sometimes you're the heel, sometimes you're the face. But in the end there really is no "you" and "I". All human history is one big, giant shared experience.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
Well personal life events have givin me a different view of our existence. Believe me that if not for what I have experienced in my life then I could agree with that view but my conscious will not allow for ignorance of my events that shaped me.

I am not alone in my views and I can see how the forces I speak of have found its way into the minds of many muslims that believe they are imprisoned here on earth and have been promised that if they betray this life they get to return victorious to the life they were forced to leave for this rock. Most Christians believe some similar things.


It would be easy for me to have different beliefs in this life but reality keeps calling me back to the facts of life I was shown.