Donald Trump: We Will Have a ‘Deportation Force’

originally posted by: usernameconspiracy

Do you know how many people from around the world come in on work or student visas each year? How to you suggest we monitor them? Many are nowhere to be found when that visa expires. And in that scenario are we simply allowing the farms to pay them the fifty cents an hour that they do illegally (both in paying them and in paying them below minimum wage) and just accept we have a new slave labor force?

I would say billions... for visa expires they would not have anywhere to work if we actually find business for using them. With a work visa program we set the wage that the farms need to pay. This is a win win for both sides as it also protects the worker.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
I agree we need them, but not 12 million as I said before pickers and farm workers only account for less than 500,000 of the 12 million, and most of the pickers maintain a house back in their country and working here is paying for it all.

It's a slightly different issue for the non farm workers but still related. I assume the ones you have a problem with are the ones who come here, maybe work and if they do it's low value work like being a cashier in a spanish neighborhood convenience store.

I think it's still impractical to kick these people out. The jobs we open up by doing so are bottom of the barrel jobs and we already have too many of those. What we need for citizens are real professional jobs. Science, technology, manufacturing, and so on. Skilled labor, or if not skilled then labor that produces something. Our problem with illegal immigration isn't taking any of those jobs, but ironically enough it is giving us some demand to have a few of those jobs.

originally posted by: Aazadan

It's a slightly different issue for the non farm workers but still related. I assume the ones you have a problem with are the ones who come here, maybe work and if they do it's low value work like being a cashier in a spanish neighborhood convenience store.

I think the vast majority of the 12 million do not even work.

a reply to: Xtrozero

We can start by building the wall and finding companies that use these workers. We need to cut off the work to force these companies to hire Americans or it will cost them a lot.

We can save ourselves a lot of time and money. There is no need of a wall.

Illegal immigrants come for jobs, money and the lie of the American dream. I have been across the border, and I saw the level of poverty among some of these people. They are some of the most resourceful people you will ever meet, because they have learned there is value in everything. There is very little waste among these people, they find a use for almost everything we throw away.

The worst time for them is when night falls, and you can see the lights of OZ, looking almost like stars, just beyond their reach. They know they will never be able to reach the real stars, the ones in the sky, but there is always the possibility, the hope, that they can reach those bright and brilliant lights reflecting the golden streets of the American dream, and they are so close and yet so far.

Stop the jobs and they will stop coming, and they will return on their own. As far as for those $5.00 apples, well it is cheaper to buy meat where I live, than it is to buy fruit. Apples at 2 to 3 dollars a pound, the cost adds up fast. I have heavily cut back on my purchase of non-local fruits and produce. So the cost will eventually be self-limiting.

The cost isn't going to keep going up, when produce is rotting on the store shelves, and if it comes down to local and home produce for a while; well, that is were we where before mega farms took over, and caused this mess in the first place. With mega business farms,we ended up with hard working farm communities being destroyed. Mega farms that provide low quality to unhealthy products, at five times the cost, and dependency on illegals or migrants.

I have no problem with shutting them all down if it gets our country back on the path to being on track.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I went to AZ to visit my in laws. They showed me a big wall, and I saw some blimp flying around. And they pulled my blue eyed blonde hair tush over and scared me at the check point miles from the border. All I can figue is, I had Wash. plates. I had no dope, gun, or anything except luggage. Uh oh, I drift.
What are they going to about the oceans? And would not everify be cheaper than manpower of finding the law breaking companies?

a reply to: Aazadan

When your culture is grounded in being farm labor parents are going to teach their children, people exchange tips, and that culture tends to be very good at it.

American farmers did this for centuries without a problem.

When you have jobs that need to be done and they're important it's a good idea to not get rid of the people that know how to do that job.

But they did, and this is the result.

Lets face it, we all know that if we get rid of these people that Americans are not going to do the jobs for what these people are working for. In Georgia they couldn't get people to work the fields at $20/hour. It literally just rotted in the field since there was no one to pick it.

Yet Americans did this work for a lot less, and with pride.

Even in Florida, in two of the poorest communities, Belle Glade and Pahokee, were the people were poor farm workers, but they had homes, communities, and a sense of communal pride. They even bragged about quality of their dirt, until big business took over, raped the land, pulled up stakes and left the people 1000% percent worst off than when they were slaves.

It is not that Americans won't work as field laborers. They just refuse to be slave workers for big agribusiness corporations that are solely for profit and the people of the world be damned.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

When Americans were farmers, they lived in poverty. The lowest cost of living areas have always been the farming towns precisely because these are the areas that don't have money. What lifted modern farmers out of poverty is hiring labor where they can take advantage of exchange rates.

Besides, bragging about the quality of your dirt is an outdated concept. Traditional farming is disappearing. Hydroponic and vertical farming are so much more productive and have such a reduced environmental impact in terms of land needed and water used that we're going to have to transition to it.

It is not that Americans won't work as field laborers. They just refuse to be slave workers for big agribusiness corporations that are solely for profit and the people of the world be damned.

It's hot, hard, and dirty work. Why would anyone ever do that for a wage that isn't enough to raise a family on, take vacations, have a real retirement, purchase a home, or in any other way qualify at even lower middle class status.

a reply to: Aazadan

It's hot, hard, and dirty work. Why would anyone ever do that for a wage that isn't enough to raise a family on, take vacations, have a real retirement, purchase a home, or in any other way qualify at even lower middle class status.

I think I see were the real problem lies in America.

Hard, legal, necessary, and productive, work is considered dirty and demeaning. People who live within their means, and who can't afford to lavish their children with a bunch of crap that is just pre-landfill material, who can't afford to take bragcations, or "real" retirements, are lower than middle class. That living their lifestyle should be avoided at all cost, even if it means, not having a job with a sustainable income, owning a home, or rising above a government subsidy.

I grew up in a farming community, and you are absolutely right. We were poor. The strange thing is that we never knew we were poor until outsiders informed us of our lowly status. It wasn't until I left home that I realized how backwards, low-classed, and financially poor we were.

Yet most of us thought we were doing okay. We looked after each other, everyone shared what they had with those that had less, and while everyday wasn't Christmas, most people seemed fairly content.

Again let me explain that my post is not an attack on you personally. I appreciate you pointing out the faultiness in my thinking. I realize now that I was looking at this problem from the viewpoint that we could resolve this issue by making sacrifices, and reducing our dependency on big agribusinesses and governments. I see now why I was so very wrong.

We can't start with fixing the outside problems until we fix the inside problems first. We can't start with fixing the corruption in government or businesses, until we fix the corruption we have within our own hearts, minds and souls. Until we fix self, we don't stand a snowball's chance in hell, at resolving any of the issues we face in this world today.

So I thank you.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: anon72

Stop acting like they should be afforded the same rights as legal US citizens.

They do have the same rights. The Constitution covers everyone in America whether they are a citizen or not.

Under the NDAA we could label them invaders legally and whoopsie there goes that.

But do you want to become a nation no better than China or Russia?

You have a problem but do you want to sacrifice your souls to sort it? Or go for better ways like like blocking welfare and employment to immigrants making immigration pointless.



country to what image I may portray on ATS I rather like most Americans (its your government I take issue with), and it would sadden me to see the American people go down a dark path and sacrifice what makes them special.

Crazy id LOVE to see them block welfare and jobs to immigrants but then youd have mass homeless because it still be better than being in mexico.

Unfortunatly the government has screwed th epooch so bad on this its almost no way to fix it save doing that. But hey I wont vot e on it so im not gonna be responsible for their actions. They do what they want no matter what we say anyway.

And if they are homeless ? So what?

They wont be taking welfare and they wont be taking jobs.

And if your police can put down the donaughts and stop wasting there time chasing pot smokers and shooting black people they can pick some of these new homeless up, check out there background and ID and if Illegal deport them.

No special task force, no more Alphabets for your Alphabet soup, No extra money and more importantly no erosion of civil liberty's and humans rights.

You got a point Crazy but i also see th e majority turning to crime if they cant get anything out of us anymore. Also i think its a cruelty to pander to them or grant them the same legal standing as a us citizen when they are not. its misleading giving them false hope.

And as soon as they resort to crime the LEO and agencys (cause god knows you have to many of them already ) can pick them up jail them and then deport them.

How would ANOTHER alphabet agency help?

Not asking for a new agency. i t woudnt help to have another one. If they untied ICE's hands it be a good start. What do we do about multiple deported individuals? We could make it a capital offense i guess if they do it more than one time. Wonder how many would try to do it then if we put them to death for breaking it twice?(playing devils advocate on that one sentence)

@mom of 3.
Yes it says All men,but obviously didnt actually mean it since Slaves and non whites were not considered men back then. That change came later after the law breaker lincoln won the illegal civil war.(freeing th eslaves as cover for his many broken laws but still on that note I approve at least. still dont excuse his many offenses against th e constitution NO MATTER THE REASONS) As it stands today it does but why when they break th elaw to get in in the first place? try them with their own nations laws and youll see a sharp reduction in entries.

You all in favor of Trumps plan better start finding out how to become an.....

Illegal Alien Transfer Specialist real quick.

DRUDGE is reporting just now:

REUTERS 5-DAY ROLLING POLL: TRUMP 34%, CARSON 19.6%, RUBIO 9.7%, CRUZ 7.7%...

It's going to be Trump and Hillary will be fighting with the FBI as they are going to charge here and her little buddies from the stuff they did (and didn't do) while at the State Dept.

Again, the cover up will be worse than the original charge....

a reply to: yuppa

"@mom of 3.
Yes it says All men,but obviously didnt actually mean it since Slaves and non whites were not considered men back then. That change came later after the law breaker lincoln won the illegal civil war.(freeing th eslaves as cover for his many broken laws but still on that note I approve at least. still dont excuse his many offenses against th e constitution NO MATTER THE REASONS) As it stands today it does but why when they break th elaw to get in in the first place? try them with their own nations laws and youll see a sharp reduction in entries.

Women had to fight and go to jail to get equal voting rights. 1920.

What Trump said is something that gets him in the media for a long duration. Trump is basically everywhere and his strategy pays off. I don't see anyone else in the media so many times being named (for good and bad).

But what he said is nothing new - his idea has been done at least twice in the past 60 years. The Bracero program and Operation Wetback comes to my mind. The irony is that in both cases the Mexican Government was the one starting the initiative because they couldn't handle the illegal immigration on their southern borders while at the same time loosing a lot of their own work force - so the Mexican Gov asked the US to return the illegals!

While Wetback itself was very successful - 1 million deportations under 6 month - it eventually failed because the US Government didn't "think" that they would return. Also there whole deportation process was stupid. Putting people in unknown places without food, shelter or access to family.

Here is the deal: Everyone says it's too expensive, it's too much .. we can't do this. But nobody wants to propose a different solution. I think that's what Trump really intends to do. To get people to think and come up with solutions how to deal with this situation and don't tell me it's not an issue. I think everyone agrees on that and giving anyone citizenship is definitely not the solution because technically and legally they still broke the law and are not eligible for receiving citizenship.

I stood for 6 years in line to get my Permanent Residency. It took a while and it cost money. It would be unfair to anyone actually abiding to the system and come here legally. Most people like to ignore this fact - especially on the left side of the spectrum.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Why, yes. Yes, I was. But I never mentioned President Bush or the big O. And I wasn't "protesting". I merely stated the fact we have a "deportation force" chartered and istablished by "law". But I don't disagree with Trump's intent. He's right!

With that attacks on Paris and the Mass influx of YOUNG ISLAMIC TYPE MALES.... look what happens. SO what was one of the 1st things France did....? CLOSE THE BORDERS

Either we do the same or face the same types of actions. Which frankly I can't believe hasn't happened here on a larger scale compared to the LONE WOLF types.

Which, they are lone wolves. They are single attackers all align w/ Radical Islam-their cause.

originally posted by: introvert
A deportation force, huh?

Is this what America has become and what we find acceptable?

We are going to allow the government to create a force in which they have the ability to uproot people, detain them and ship them off to wherever?

What about due process? What happens if they make a mistake.....error in the system?

This is a bad, bad deal and no one should support gestapo-like tactics. If Obama or a Leftist had said something like this we would be calling them Hitler.

Can I move into your house? You shouldn't have a problem with me taking over a room or two you wouldn't call the police on me would you? I just need a place to stay.

When people enter a country illegally it's called illegal immagration. When people enter a business or home illegally it's called breaking and entering.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Xtrozero

I went to AZ to visit my in laws. They showed me a big wall, and I saw some blimp flying around. And they pulled my blue eyed blonde hair tush over and scared me at the check point miles from the border. All I can figue is, I had Wash. plates. I had no dope, gun, or anything except luggage. Uh oh, I drift.
What are they going to about the oceans? And would not everify be cheaper than manpower of finding the law breaking companies?

Az must not like us Wa people with all that legal pot...hehe

The money from fines and work visas would pay for it all. These people pay someone 2 k or more to get them in the US. If they paid 800 for a visa that would be much cheaper for them and would generate a lot of funds.

a reply to: Xtrozero

That is a humane step I could live with and a good point.

We do not need a deportation force as bad as we need Obama to stop bringing in refugees that are 70%male into new Orleans.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
We do not need a deportation force as bad as we need Obama to stop bringing in refugees that are 70%male into new Orleans.

Well if they get out of line i sense a mass of them to be found in the swamps in a gators belly. Seeing as how bad the syrians like to try and change the local customs.

In light of this thread and the Paris attacks, I really like Trumps idea(s).

I will send a note to him and suggest he start near Dearborne Michigan.....

Deportation of illegal folks doesn't mean just the baddies from South of the Border.

I am sure once we start checking people out,..... we're going to find them from everywhere.

It will truly be a turning point in American history if he gets elected and does something about the people in the US who shouldn't be in the US.