Donald Trump: We Will Have a ‘Deportation Force’

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: Aazadan

That just sounds like an advertising problem and not a labor problem.

Sounds like they planted before having anyone set to pick.

They knew it was coming for a year or two in advance. The farmers couldn't line anyone up, but then had to plant full crops anyways because if they didn't they would guarantee no revenues. They hoped to plant but still find people come harvest time because they were left with no choice. It didn't work, everyone who tried to harvest for them was an illegal and they weren't able to hire them due to the states extremely harsh anti illegal laws they passed.

It's a multi faceted problem. Not only are illegals the ones willing to work for the wage, but they have dominated that field. Legal citizens don't have the experience. The way picking is done is based on the amount picked. When I say something like $20/hour for picking it's actually more along the lines of something like $2/pound with the expectation that people pick 10 pounds per hour to give a generic example.

But, not only are illegals the only ones willing to do the work but when legal citizens applied thanks to having no experience in the sector their harvest rates were much lower. In most cases, despite being paid a rate per pound of 3x as much (or more if they were working below minimum), the legal picker was only picking around 1/5 the number of crops and that further compounded the issue.

Many farms actually managed to replace large portions of their illegal labor but the work still didn't get done because the people weren't productive enough.

History has shown again and again that if you eliminate all the people who know how to do an important job with the expectation that the rest of the common people in society can rise up and do it instead disaster ensues because no one knows how to do it efficiently. Remember the Russian famines following the rebellion? That happened for literally this exact same reason: They got rid of all the farmers and no one knew how to grow/harvest food.

a reply to: usernameconspiracy

He already said Mexico will be paying for it and you can bet those tunnels will be found and filled with snakes or mines real quick if he is put in charge. Trump is the only way this country has a chance to rebound, the rest are all willing to bend over for Hillary when push comes to shove.

a reply to: Aazadan

It is a good lesson full of many angles.

It is not surprising to not be able to find Americans seasoned in field experience.

I can't help but find fault in the process they used though because I could have a small army in a matter of weeks if I were paying 20 hr.

Yes it most certainly would take a few yrs. to get the kinks out.

I just think the story is telling a false narrative.

I guess I should have paid more attention to the fact it was a gov. project.

a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

He already said Mexico will be paying for it and you can bet those tunnels will be found and filled with snakes or mines real quick if he is put in charge.

He can say it until he goes blue in the face, doesn't mean mexico is going to do it.
When they say go pound sand what then? He going to threaten to break trade deals and go around congress to get it done?

And you can't kill people like you are implying, that isn't how our justice system works.
Or are you against the constitution?

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Your granddaughter will be fine Randy

America isn't over - it's just changing

Thank you mon, I hope you're right of course.

a reply to: Aazadan

Well, Hitler had the same problem with 6 million that Trump does with 11 million logistically. So Trump can only come up with the same solutions.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: Aazadan

It is a good lesson full of many angles.

It is not surprising to not be able to find Americans seasoned in field experience.

I can't help but find fault in the process they used though because I could have a small army in a matter of weeks if I were paying 20 hr.

Yes it most certainly would take a few yrs. to get the kinks out.

I just think the story is telling a false narrative.

I guess I should have paid more attention to the fact it was a gov. project.

I don't understand either. Experience comes with repetition. If I know that I am getting paid by the pound to pick. It is not going to take me very long to learn the job. I have learn jobs far more complex in very little time and it's not rocket science.

I admit that it may take me a few days to hit my stride, but I would be picking for the max I could physically pick during my shift.

After reading all the great input I have made up my mind.

STicking with Trumps plan.

Better to try to solve the problem then to do nothing at all.

They win then. Crime does/would pay.

Now, kindly plan ahead, get back to where you need to go and get that paperwork in to the INS so they can process you LEGALLLY and you MAYBE able to return.

GOOD LUCK

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: anon72

Just what needs to be done! If people are claiming that they can be good, productive citizens, sneaking in illegally isn't the way to prove it. Plenty of of people come legally, and are, in fact, good citizens. I know some awesome immigrants. Let these illegals wait in line and follow the same rules.

What about those waiting in line? It seems that just because Mexico is close they get a brake to come here and another 5 billion do not. To be honest the south boarder has moved north. Just go to any southern town and it is 90% Spanish in every way in including flying the Mexican flag with a vast amount of them here illegally.

I don't think someone should get preference because of being closer, either! Anyone who wants to come should have to qualify, first off, and many don't come close. We don't have any obligation to take in anyone, and with so many wanting to be here, we need to be a lot pickier. Stable people, with no criminal history or ties to anything radical, are what is needed.

I know what you mean about the southern areas, too. Lived in Texas for a lot of years, and was totally sick of all of the nonsense. Special programs for Hispanic students only, many refusing to speak English, just to talk about others (I knew enough then to know that took place), foreign flags all over, racism in hiring (saw that a place I worked; one department head was hiring only Hispanics, and we got complaints); it goes on and on.

We shouldn't be, as a nation, catering the way we do. Why should labels have Spanish on them? We don't print them in Russian, or Chinese, or French, or Italian, or Swahili, or Farsi, or Korean, or Japanese, or German, etc., but we sure print a lot in Spanish! Why should one group get preferential treatment??

It's bad in the border towns these days. I know someone still in Texas, spent her life there, that says no one that knows anything goes to those towns anymore, because of all the violence.

Whole thing is a mess!

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
Just what needs to be done! If people are claiming that they can be good, productive citizens, sneaking in illegally isn't the way to prove it. Plenty of of people come legally, and are, in fact, good citizens. I know some awesome immigrants. Let these illegals wait in line and follow the same rules.

I don't think someone should get preference because of being closer, either! Anyone who wants to come should have to qualify, first off, and many don't come close. We don't have any obligation to take in anyone, and with so many wanting to be here, we need to be a lot pickier. Stable people, with no criminal history or ties to anything radical, are what is needed.

I agree with you 100% and this is one of my main reason that I feel the 12 million here do not have any rights over millions of others that also want to come. Not a single person of the 12 million have been vetted by anyone.

I know what you mean about the southern areas, too. Lived in Texas for a lot of years, and was totally sick of all of the nonsense. Special programs for Hispanic students only, many refusing to speak English, just to talk about others (I knew enough then to know that took place), foreign flags all over, racism in hiring (saw that a place I worked; one department head was hiring only Hispanics, and we got complaints); it goes on and on.

We shouldn't be, as a nation, catering the way we do. Why should labels have Spanish on them? We don't print them in Russian, or Chinese, or French, or Italian, or Swahili, or Farsi, or Korean, or Japanese, or German, etc., but we sure print a lot in Spanish! Why should one group get preferential treatment??

It's bad in the border towns these days. I know someone still in Texas, spent her life there, that says no one that knows anything goes to those towns anymore, because of all the violence.

Whole thing is a mess!

I spent 5 years in San Antonio, and just spent 5 week in San Diego recently working with the navy special warfare group where I honestly felt like I was in Mexico...hehe

a reply to: deadeyedick

I doubt it. The fact of the matter is, there are jobs that Americans won't do. Jobs involving hot miserable conditions in long hours that break your body are things that we simply won't do, Agriculture and Construction are two of those jobs. As a nation we've moved past that, but we haven't eliminated the need for those jobs, so people from other nations are filling them. Working sun up to sun down in 100 degree weather doing unpleasant manual labor for a wage that doesn't even get you what would have given you the purchasing power of minimum wage 50 years ago is something that people have realized is a bad deal. Illegals have no problem with it though because they can take advantage of the exchange rates and give their families in Mexico very nice lives.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
So is 500 million OK? I'm sure we could find 500 million rather quickly that would love to come here. I have a sister in law that has been working on coming here for 10 years the legal way so what about her and the 10s of millions that are trying to do it the same way?

Our immigration policy only takes skilled labor. You have to offer a valuable skill to get in. Picking crops in a field is not considered skilled labor, we'll never let them in. If that migrant worker were a doctor he could get on the immigration list. Someone who picks oranges though? Not a chance, and people like it that way because if we start letting in unskilled labor, we're letting in people who compete for 60% of the jobs offered in the country.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Really? Can you point out where it says that in the Constitution then? Because I can't seem to find that anywhere in it.

This subject actually came up as a result of the Patriot Act and warrantless wiretaps + detaining people at gitmo and others. The court interpretation in the end (I think it was around 2006 but I don't remember exactly) overturned the previous assumption that the US Constitution applied to anyone in their dealings with the government and changed it such that it only applies to US citizens in their dealings with the US government.

That was the legal loophole used to allow the government to continue doing what it was doing. It now has implications in our dealings with illegals. The Constitution does not apply to them, though since it does apply to a legal citizen you technically still have to prove someone is an illegal before you can say "we think you're an illegal so get aboard the deportation train".

a reply to: anon72

"It's going to be a Trump wall..."

I can't be the only one who honestly believes that he will build a wall, and it'll be a good thing.

a reply to: Aazadan

Nope the constitution applies to anyone on us territory.

originally posted by: Sremmos80

And you can't kill people like you are implying.

You have a really loose definition of the term 'people'.

Besides, Obama drones 'people' literally every #ing day. What's wrong with a little hypothetical streamlining when you're sort are so keen to ignore atrocities that are happening today?

I love how liberals don't think we should have guns even though it's in the Constitution, but then think illegal aliens have the same rights as Americans because they believe that's what the Constitution conveys.

a reply to: Lipton

You know when you assume you make an ass of your self. I am 100% against obamas drones and it is a serious issue. People are humans period, if you think anything less then you are the one with the loose definition.

a reply to: TheGoondockSaint

That is a two way street. Do you think the constitution can be cherry picked?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
I am 100% against obamas drones and it is a serious issue.

I've read enough of your nonsensical, warm fuzzy garbage to know that you're full of #.

You'd sacrifice our nation on the altar of multiculturalism at his whim.

People are humans period, if you think anything less then you are the one with the loose definition.

It's sad you believe that. For example look at dog breeds. There is no question that they are almost the same, but when compare German Shepherds and pit bulls the differencesare clear, one is intelligent and the other is trash.