CDC Scientist Admits Data of Vaccines and Autism Was Trashed - HUGE

a reply to: Bluntone22

For me?
It isn't just about the vaccines.
It is about the fact, that information was destroyed, and he is admitting to it. That is a hell of a revelation, coming from someone in the CDC, isn't it?

I mean geez, I'm sure it was just a "One Time Thing"

Right?

a reply to: chiefsmom


Can he prove it happened?
If he can then yes, heads should roll.
If he can't produce any evidence then what?

a reply to: Bluntone22
First off, even if he could, I seriously doubt more than one head would roll. Generally only one sacrifice is need, from what I've seen in the past. (Any X agency)

And if he can't? Somebody somewhere should at least be keeping a closer eye on the CDC.

But now I have to ask you, What do you think this man stands to gain by coming out with this, if he is lying? A ruined career doesn't pay much.

a reply to: chiefsmom


I honesty don't trust the CDC any more than the IRS, EPA or any other government alphabet department. They should always be watched.
But I do expect people making accusations to back their claims up with some proof.
As for his motivation, I have no clue. Maybe he wants to write a book. Maybe he's telling the truth.

And yes, nobody would likely get punished just like the irs scandals.

originally posted by: chiefsmom
But now I have to ask you, What do you think this man stands to gain by coming out with this, if he is lying? A ruined career doesn't pay much.

Which was clearly on his mind since he sought out protection from a whistleblower attorney. I don't see what he could possibly gain from lying either.

a reply to: Bluntone22

They've had 17 years to find a nut. And boy, were many nuts found, just not the sort you're talking about.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

It's stunning that any one would make that claim.

You find it stunning that people would make this claim? I find it par the course when non-science minded people try to debunk science.

a reply to: Realtruth

A statement from Dr Thompson, straight from his lawyer:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE-AUGUST 27,2014

STATEMENT OF WILLIAM W. THOMPSON, Ph.D., REGARDING THE 2004 ARTICLE EXAMINING THE POSSIBILITY OF A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MMR VACCINE AND AUTISM

My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.

I want to be absolutely clear that I believe vaccines have saved and continue to save countless lives. I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits.

My concern has been the decision to omit relevant findings in a particular study for a particular sub­ group for a particular vaccine. There have always been recognized risks for vaccination and I believe it is the responsibility of the CDC to properly convey the risks associated with receipt of those vaccines.

I have had many discussions with Dr. Brian Hooker over the last 10 months regarding studies the CDC has carried out regarding vaccines and neurodevelopmental outcomes including autism spectrum disorders. I share his belief that CDC decision-making and analyses should be transparent. I was not, however, aware that he was recording any of our conversations, nor was I given any choice regarding whether my name would be made public or my voice would be put on the Internet.

I am grateful for the many supportive e-mails that I have received over the last several days. I will not be answering further questions at this time. I am providing information to Congressman William Posey, and of course will continue to cooperate with Congress. I have also offered to assist with reanalysis of the study data or development of further studies. For the time being, however, I am focused on my job and my family.

Reasonable scientists can and do differ in their interpretation of information. I will do everything I can to assist any unbiased and objective scientists inside or outside the CDC to analyze data collected by the CDC or other public organizations for the purpose of understanding whether vaccines are associated with an increased risk of autism. There are still more questions than answers, and I appreciate that so many families are looking for answers from the scientific community.

My colleagues and supervisors at the CDC have been entirely professional since this matter became public. In fact, I received a performance-based award after this story came out. I have experienced no pressure or retaliation and certainly was not escorted from the building, as some have stated.

Dr. Thompson is represented by Frederick M. Morgan,Jr., Morgan Verkamp, LLC, Cincinnati, Ohio,
www.morganverkamp.com... -a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

Since 2004 there have been hundreds of studies that have shown without any doubt that vaccines do not cause autism.

Dr. Frank DeStefano, lead author of the 2004 study, said he and his colleagues stand by their findings. DeStefano said all the study authors, including Thompson, agreed on the analysis and interpretation before the study was submitted for publication 10 years ago. However, he said he plans to review his notes and will decide whether to run another analysis on the data. CDC researchers are standing by their original findings: that there is no link between autism and vaccination schedules.” edition.cnn.com...

a reply to: Agartha

I totally appreciate his sentiment and never doubted for a second that he was of any other opinion. But, if I was an African-American parent to a young son, I would probably opt for a delayed vaccination schedule, regardless of the fact that a reevaluation of the data says the original conclusion is wrong.

The original conclusion should have been published for peer review to show it was wrong, not buried. It doesn't inspire confidence in people who are nuts or in people who are not nuts, too.

Merck comes into my Sister's (a nurse) office weekly and incentives the doctor to give out vaccines and prescriptions like candy, they really push adderal which is for KIDS! Go google it and be shocked.

It's a business, the only drug that can be enforced by the state, a pharmaceutical's wet dream.

And America's mantra is: "They're ger'nna take 'er guns! But now you go on git your kids vaccinated, we don't want those disease bags 'round 'er kids, ya hear?"

Irony.

They'll also say "you're baby won't have any reaction, but if they do, it's pure coincidence." Or, "your baby won't get anything from a vaccine, they're weakened strains blah blah blah."

The first thing my boy got after his shots was fever! And he was pale for about six hour straight!

It's all BS. If there wasn't anything to worry about like they tell, there wouldn't be reactions....period.

a reply to: Realtruth

My original thread on this topic from July 2015

Let me break it down.

This 2004 study by the CDC was trumpeted by the vaccine Nazis for years afterward as the definitive proof MMR2 didn't cause autism. Too bad THEY PROVED THE MMR2 CAUSES AUTISM. They met in secret to destroy the evidence. It's criminal fraud. Because of the fraud, 10,000 African american children have autism. They said it was science. They are devils.

This is a scan of the actual letter Thompson sent to his superior.


These are his words taped without his knowledge.

“Oh my God, I cannot believe we did what we did. But we did.”
“It’s the lowest point of my career, when I went along with that paper. I went along with this, and we didn’t report significant findings.”
“I am completely ashamed of what I did. I have great shame now. I was complicit, and I went along with this.”
“I have great shame now, when I meet families with kids with autism, because I have been part of the problem.”

Pretty clear for reasonable people. Too bad 50% of people coming into this are likely shills or terribly ignorant.

Her name is Julie Gerberding


One of the criminals, Frank deStephano is currently the head of the vaccine safety division at the CDC.

It's a crime against humanity and ATS has been asleep except for the ever diligent pharma shills. There were rallies at the CDC and at other locations around the country 3 weeks ago. Media is ignoring it

Are you going to sit there and let our children be destroyed? I'm not.


This is the secondary analysis by Brian Hooker. Pharma devils in control of the medical journal syndicate had it wiped from the internet.
www.dropbox.com...

a reply to: Shiloh7
I lost a good friend over this issue.

I discussed with her my concerns about the all the new vaccines being developed and being forced on us. She became very angry with me. She said her doctor told her that it was all bull and the vaccines were safe.

A few months later her son who was in advanced studies classes in school, got his mandatory vaccines. He was ill for several days, and he has never been the same since. He is not severely autistic but he definitely has some serious cognitive issues.

I noticed that she kept avoiding me, so I confronted her. She told me she can't bear to look at me because I had warned her, and she mocked me. Now her son is mentally impaired and she hasn't a clue on how to help him. She said every time she looks at me, or thinks about me, she wants to cry.

I couldn't console her, and she continues to reject my offers of friendship.

So, yes. I believe some vaccines can be very harmful, and when it is about profit, and not about the patient or health, the opportunity for corruption and the possibility of great harm to the patient, is ever present.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
A vast majority of doctors say vaccines are safe.
We can't ignore the concensus.
To do so would indicate a conspiracy.

www.nbcnews.com...

M.D. directed treatments are the 3rd leading cause of death in the US. You sure as hell better ignore the consensus.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Agartha

I totally appreciate his sentiment and never doubted for a second that he was of any other opinion. But, if I was an African-American parent to a young son, I would probably opt for a delayed vaccination schedule, regardless of the fact that a reevaluation of the data says the original conclusion is wrong.

The original conclusion should have been published for peer review to show it was wrong, not buried. It doesn't inspire confidence in people who are nuts or in people who are not nuts, too.

The original conclusion was that there was no correlation between MMR and autism in African-American children.
Think about it: are black boys so biologically different from all other ethnic backgrounds and even black girls?
It doesn't make sense. We are all biologically the same.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: chiefsmom


Can he prove it happened?
If he can then yes, heads should roll.
If he can't produce any evidence then what?

You clearly don't understand. He was an author. He witnessed all these events. He is now a whistle blower. Anyone that thinks a whistle blower has a conflict of interest is a shill or really really ignorant.

originally posted by: intrptr



So are we trashing the CDC over this? Dumb move.

On a side note, I was given a couple boosters when I was a baby and one inoculation for small pox. I haven't had any other Vaccines in my entire life. I'm not sick either, except for the fallout from a life of cigarettes and other abuse.

You want a recommendation, I vote we forgive them having turned politically correct, they are still one of the goto agencies, handled the Ebola outbreak in the US quite well.

Dumb move? Do you have any clue whatsoever about the long string of criminal activity, fraud and crimes against humanity perpetrated by the CDC? You must.
Believing what you write is a really dumb move. Believing the CDC will get you killed or maimed.

originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Agartha

I totally appreciate his sentiment and never doubted for a second that he was of any other opinion. But, if I was an African-American parent to a young son, I would probably opt for a delayed vaccination schedule, regardless of the fact that a reevaluation of the data says the original conclusion is wrong.

The original conclusion should have been published for peer review to show it was wrong, not buried. It doesn't inspire confidence in people who are nuts or in people who are not nuts, too.

The original conclusion was that there was no correlation between MMR and autism in African-American children.
Think about it: are black boys so biologically different from all other ethnic backgrounds and even black girls?
It doesn't make sense. We are all biologically the same.

And yet autism is far more prevalent in boys.

originally posted by: Realtruth

Did anyone say "All" vaccines? I must have missed that.
*SNIP*
I'm stunned you would not take the time to read the OP closely and listen to Ben Swans report completely.

I direct you to the first words in your OP:

originally posted by: Realtruth
Proof that Vaccines do indeed cause autism-like issues, and that ATS members are being validated on their past threads, comments, and concerns regarding government cover-ups, and corruption regarding some vaccines.

What say you ATS?

If you can't stand behind your own OP, what are we to think about your ... should we say "honest intentions"?

Perhaps you'll point out where you say "some Vaccines" or "the MMR Vaccine"? Oh that's right ... that's not what you said.

You are trumpeting that "Vaccines cause autism" and the anti-vaxxers are vindicated.

Have some dignity not to nit-pick and misrepresent your own post for gods sake.

a reply to: VP740

Science should be driven by fact and reason. Covering results due to political controversy isn't keeping politics out of it, it's turning it into junk science and political propaganda.

Ideally I agree with your point, realistically though...As long as humans continue to have emotions and egos, getting rid of political influence in science won't happen anytime soon. Which is why all you can do is limit it's role in studies like this, anti-vaxer's main concern against vaccination is an appeal to emotions argument and this sort of #e gives the dunces who don't quite understand how vaccines work fodder to further their own political agenda.

I'm sorry, nothing in the OP (or this thread) proves or confirms that vaccines and autism are linked. What has been validated is politics trumps fact or reason any day apparently.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

And yet autism is far more prevalent in boys.

True but I remember reading an article a while ago that there is speculation that girls are not referred for diagnosis and thus they are missing from statistics. This is due to the fact that girls are less disruptive and can hide their difficulties better than boys.

www.autism.org.uk...