It's time to wake up!

a reply to: Itisnowagain

What are you trying to say with that? That i was right and you are wrong? That you finally understood direct experience?

a reply to: Peeple
That's funny!

a reply to: Peeple
No that is not what is being said!
How are you right and how am I wrong?

If you re-read the page 60, you'll find that this statement:

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
Yes a word or label arises 'very fast' - it is an interpretation - a judgement - a concept - an idea 'about' what is actual.
The feeling of fluffy fur is not the word 'fluffy fur'.
The feeling of fluffy fur is felt as direct experience - but it is not fluffy fur - it is sensation.

Is pretty much summing up what i said the entire time.

You called frustration direct experience, but it is the interpretation of an experience, and the dog was an example around the concept of comfort. Which is the same thing, different colour...

originally posted by: Peeple

You called frustration direct experience, but it is the interpretation of an experience, and the dog was an example around the concept of comfort. Which is the same thing, different colour...

You stated that frustration means failure - does it?

If there is a label bought into then other concepts appear and are bought into - frustration gives rise to the idea that 'I have failed'.

If the direct experience of 'frustration' is felt (the direct feeling not the word and what it implies) - like 'fluffy fur' - it does not mean anything at all.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Aha. As always i have no clue what you are saying. But i get the feeling i disagree.

First failure, then interpretation, then frustration.

a reply to: Peeple

It is all just wordplay. I think we all get that "words" are not what they describe.

We also get that registering what is happening takes time.

We aslo get that the reaction one might have is only in our minds.

None of that automatically leads to some of the conclusions that people are coming to.

Also, realizing this doesn't actually change anything, unless you are over-reactive. If you are not that type of person then DE is "meh".

Unnecessary post edited in order to avoid topic drift.

a reply to: daskakik

DE is meh, I told you already. Seeing through the illusion of self isn't completely the same as experiencing DE. There is more to it.

originally posted by: Andy1144
DE is meh, I told you already. Seeing through the illusion of self isn't completely the same as experiencing DE. There is more to it.

Sorry, I don't take what you say to be gospel.

Anything you have described and linked to is, to me, not impressive.

a reply to: daskakik

I am not telling you to believe anything. I just say, experience reality as it is in DE, not assumptions about it. Your opinions on this don't matter. It's the actual experience which counts. And DE is the only experience which is assumption free. But as I said, you need self inquiry during DE investigation to see through the illusion. DE experience alone is nothing.

And also control cannot be found anywhere. For it to exist would be equivalent of being able to be conscious of being unconscious. But it is never possible. That's how incoherent control free from any influence is.

originally posted by: Andy1144
I am not telling you to believe anything. I just say, experience reality as it is in DE, not assumptions about it.

Already experienced it. You don't believe me. Now what?

a reply to: Andy1144

This is the leap that I mentioned above. You can't prove it so why keep bringing it up?

a reply to: daskakik

Self inquiry? How many times do I have to tell you experiencing DE doesn't mean anything without self inquiry?

originally posted by: Andy1144
Self inquiry? How many times do I have to tell you experiencing DE doesn't mean anything without self inquiry?

How many times do I have to tell you that I know all this already?

a reply to: daskakik

Can I prove that it is impossible to be aware of being unaware? Yes.
With control, it is the same thing because the idea would contradict the natural laws of reality. Plus, it can be verified in DE there is no control. You're over complicating things.

a reply to: daskakik

And you've done self inquiry? You know what that is?

a reply to: Andy1144

You are making this out to be bigger than it actuallly is.

And you've done self inquiry? You know what that is?

Yes, but since I don't gush about it, you don't believe me.

a reply to: daskakik

How did you do self inquiry? What does one have to do in order to do it?