It's time to wake up!

a reply to: vethumanbeing

You did say that the person dug in their heels and would not share. I took this to mean that the person clammed up about that topic.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: vethumanbeing

You did say that the person dug in their heels and would not share. I took this to mean that the person clammed up about that topic.

It was a misunderstanding regarding experiencing Death during an OOBE. I have almost; but outsmarted the circumstance. This person experienced real death during an OOBE (HOW SO YOU ARE ALIVE) and standing NOW before me. It did not come to fisticuffs. The problem for me was if one dies during an OOBE how is resurrected back into physical body form? EXPLAIN THE PHENOM.

originally posted by: Andy1144
a reply to: Peeple

I already said one can do ANYTHING he want's if possible, including rewire his brain if he desires, but only if he is influenced in some way to make that decision and those influences are out of our control.

Then who or what is in control? There would have to be a plan, a structure shaping the events happening, what do you think would that be?
To me it sounds like you are abusing Alan Watts in order to not being responsible for your actions?
What do you believe direkt experience means?

originally posted by: Peeple

originally posted by: Andy1144
a reply to: Peeple

I already said one can do ANYTHING he want's if possible, including rewire his brain if he desires, but only if he is influenced in some way to make that decision and those influences are out of our control.

Then who or what is in control? There would have to be a plan, a structure shaping the events happening, what do you think would that be?
To me it sounds like you are abusing Alan Watts in order to not being responsible for your actions?
What do you believe direkt experience means?

Peeple; the brain can rewire itself. Fact: a Fine arts Painter then became a fine dining restauranteur for 11 years then took some classes at the Illinois Institute of Technology and became a successful Mechanical Engineer and scuba diver (idea of an under water petting Zoo, not happening). This person still lives but is very frail because life's challenges are what they are and take a toll. Not enough years allowed to be everything or one dreamed of being.

originally posted by: Peeple

What do you believe direkt experience means?

Here is a definition of 'Direct Experience':

Direct experience generally denotes experience gained through immediate sense perception. Many philosophical systems hold that knowledge or skills gained through direct experience cannot be fully put into words.

You cannot grasp it; Nor can you get rid of it. In not being able to get it, you get it. When you speak, it is silent; When you are silent, it speaks.

A good start are the audio books by Alan Watts

Note: Words only provide reference to experience. They are not the experience they refer to. The reference can be quite exciting though.

en.wikipedia.org...

Then who or what is in control? There would have to be a plan, a structure shaping the events happening, what do you think would that be?

Nothing is in control - there is no controller.
Life is in freefall.

There has to be an aspiration for what is true.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Underwater petting zoo, lol. Sure time is a factor. But besides that, to me this "all is just happening" sounds like a cheap excuse.
While i admit one may not always get everything i want, it is ultimately my decission how much effort i put into achieving my goals. If i wouldn't be in charge, why bother trying?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

If that's true for you, fine. I am causing the effect i want to see happening. And my experience tells me my mind changes the outcome. I decide, nothing happens just because it happens...

originally posted by: Peeple
I am causing the effect i want to see happening. And my experience tells me my mind changes the outcome. I decide, nothing happens just because it happens...

Hunger arises - did you make that happen? Frustration arises - did you make that happen?
Do you deicide what you will see or hear today? If a bird flies past the window, can you choose not to see it?

You are the aware presence - you only get to experience what appears in that space of awareness.
If hunger arises - then thoughts about food and where to get it arise - getting up (or not getting up) to get the food happens and eating happens - everything just happens. You (as the aware presence) can notice this.

originally posted by: Peeple
And my experience tells me my mind changes the outcome. I decide, nothing happens just because it happens...

The experience is hunger - the mind appears as words leading to the fridge. Did you decide with your mind to experience 'hunger'?
Does your mind decide to experience frustration? Does your mind decide to experience a loud noise? Did your mind decide to experience a bird flying past the window or a aeroplane in the sky?

Thoughts will tell a story about how to get something which is not here. Hunger maybe here and the thoughts look for food. Frustration maybe here and thought will look for peace of mind.

If it is seen that when there is frustration that is what there is - frustration is the direct experience. What does frustration feel like? What does fear feel like?
What is happening is denied - covered up by thought stories about something else - something other.

Coming to what there is without anything other, is love, which is the opposite to fear. If fear arises now and it is looked at, it will transform into love.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

urch, we already had that a few pages ago, just with addiction...

Okay so let us talk hunger: i can constantly drink f.e. if i don't want to get hungry. Or use other hunger surpressing substances, if i have them available.
To be frustrated means i have to overthink my approach and chose a new one. Frustration is no direct experience, it is an interpretation of the result.
And the love part: what? I don't get what you are trying to say?
To sum up: i don't control all enviromental influence but i always control my reaction.

originally posted by: Peeple

To sum up: i don't control all enviromental influence but i always control my reaction.

If anger arises that is the reaction - but you don't control whether anger arises. If anger is seen as negative then the reaction to anger is wanting something else.

Frustration is no direct experience, it is an interpretation of the result.

With no interpretation there is a feeling - but that feeling often gets labelled something - maybe frustration or anger but it is not usually felt as it is - and that can be because a word has been given to a feeling and then thought looks for something else. But that feeling is what there is - direct experience.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

No. Direct experience is a warm, fluffy fur, when i pet a dog. Comfort is the feeling that arises after my brain made an interpretation of the experience.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Itisnowagain

No. Direct experience is a warm, fluffy fur, when i pet a dog.

It may be easier to see that 'feeling fur' is direct experience but 'feeling frustration' is no different.

Comfort is the feeling that arises after my brain made an interpretation of the experience.

Comfort is already here prior to any interpretation.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

No. It just happens very fast.

Frustration is the result of failure, no direct experience, see above...

originally posted by: Peeple


Frustration is the result of failure, no direct experience, see above...

Frustration maybe the result of believing that there is such a thing as failure.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Itisnowagain
No. It just happens very fast.

Sorry - what is this the answer to? Can you say what it is that happens very fast?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

The interpretation of the experience happens very fast.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Itisnowagain

The interpretation of the experience happens very fast.

Yes a word or label arises 'very fast' - it is an interpretation - a judgement - a concept - an idea 'about' what is actual.
The feeling of fluffy fur is not the word 'fluffy fur'.
The feeling of fluffy fur is felt as direct experience - but it is not fluffy fur - it is sensation.