It's time to wake up!

a reply to: UniFinity

You understand this but dont experience it. Do you understand this? Do you understand that it doesn't make any difference unless you experience it?

a reply to: daskakik

Yes, but as I said, I was discussing enlightenment with someone who generally knew how it was meant. No-self, oneness, whatever. That is how that word is most usually associated.

a reply to: Andy1144

how do you experience non self?

just passed this from my last post, so I don't have to change pages all the time...haha

non-self is not anything I can point to or show or think about it, but can be experienced from relative (fake I) point as I AM.
It always is like a witness or non doer, maybe. But without this non self, nothing would exists or be possible.

a contradiction.

a reply to: UniFinity

Direct experience, weve been over this.

Wasn't the "wake up call" 14 years ago??? People need to stop hitting the "snooze" button.

a reply to: Andy1144

yes, I know that, but how do you know you are DE?
are there some attributes like feeling, knowing, intuition? Probably not. We are taking about stateless state of existence of non self.

AHA! when there will be absolutely no indicators that it is anything else, this is it.

I just realized I still have expectations, but not as in thoughts but feelings, I am waiting for something to feel!!

while posting now, I am experiencing a lot going on inside my body. My third eye is buzzing like it is trying to make me realize something...

anyway, could you please give some non-self inquires? When you can...

thanks!

originally posted by: Andy1144
Yes, but as I said, I was discussing enlightenment with someone who generally knew how it was meant. No-self, oneness, whatever. That is how that word is most usually associated.

This isn't about you and those who undesrtand you. It's about those who define it differently.

To me, DE is pretty insignificant.

a reply to: daskakik

Why is it about those who define it differently? You've just created that. I simply started talking about this because there were people who understand what I mean by the terms. To those who dont I can only explain what I mean.
DE is insignificant to you because your denitiion of it is different then mine.

originally posted by: Andy1144
Why is it about those who define it differently? You've just created that.

I keep telling you that that was my point. I have said it in the last 3 or 4 posts.

I simply started talking about this because there were people who understand what I mean by the terms. To those who dont I can only explain what I mean.

That is what I was pointing out, that what you mean may not be the way they are understanding it.

DE is insignificant to you because your denitiion of it is different then mine.

No, I am using your definition. I have experienced it and it isn't that big of a deal.

Just because you think it is some big revelation doesn't mean that others see it that way.

This is the wiki take on 'direct experience'.

Direct experience generally denotes experience gained through immediate sense perception. Many philosophical systems hold that knowledge or skills gained through direct experience cannot be fully put into words.

You cannot grasp it; Nor can you get rid of it. In not being able to get it, you get it. When you speak, it is silent; When you are silent, it speaks.

A good start are the audio books by Alan Watts.

en.wikipedia.org...
Interesting!

a reply to: Itisnowagain

whaaat, thanks for the info!

Andy, I am sure now what you are doing with your posts about telling me to get experience, but due to language or my inability to explain things better we are going in circles.

Or I am going around in circles like a hamster and you try to stop me. That is more accurate hahah

I am very interested in non-self inquires, can you throw a bone to pick please!?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Interesting, it sounds like "being in the zone" or flow

Something that all humans have probably experienced at some point in their lives.

a reply to: UniFinity

Ok, so DE simply means experiencing the immediate sense perceptions. It's that simple.
What is your direct experience like now? Sounds are happening, thoughts are arising, sights are being seen. Sensations, ect.
Don't think about it but relax into your immediate experience and see everything happening. Just start here. Its that simple. Remember dont think about this, just experience.

a reply to: daskakik

You are not using my definition of DE. I am talking about something different but believe your certain of everything I say.
The illusion of self falls away many times a day probably for everyone. In this sense its no big deal. It can fall away when your looking at a waterfall and the sense of a me looking ends. This is no big deal.

What is a big deal is seeing this clearly in DE. This makes the realization stick because you are conscious of the self illusion mechanism. This has had major implications. People can go through great depression and when they see through the self so much suffering drops. It is a big deal.

a reply to: Andy1144

yes, will do.

thank you again Andy, for a self-proclaimed fool , you sure know how to write and have given me a lot of insight with your posts!

a reply to: UniFinity

Tell me what your immediate sense perceptions are in this moment. Again, really simple. Just relax, and see what's happening now in this moment.
Then we will move on. By the way, it is so simple your mind will probably come up with a lot of expectations. But it's simple, what is happening right now.

"I just realized I still have expectations, but not as in thoughts but feelings, I am waiting for something to feel!!

while posting now, I am experiencing a lot going on inside my body. My third eye is buzzing like it is trying to make me realize something... "

Forget about the third eye and waiting to realize something. That is a major hindrance for you to see this. DE is so simple even a kid could do it. Nothing wise about this.

originally posted by: UniFinity
a reply to: Andy1144

how do you experience non self?

just passed this from my last post, so I don't have to change pages all the time...haha

non-self is not anything I can point to or show or think about it, but can be experienced from relative (fake I) point as I AM.
It always is like a witness or non doer, maybe. But without this non self, nothing would exists or be possible.

a contradiction.

doesnt it seem a tad ironic to experience non-self through the medium of self?

sorry if this tangent veers off the actual topic.

a reply to: TzarChasm

It is ironic and a paradox. You need a self to see it doesnt exist.
We've talked about two perspectives. The absolute and relative. In the absolute, there is no self, and nothing to realize.

In the relative, there is the illusion of a self which needs to be used in order to see that it is just an appearance, an illusion.

originally posted by: Andy1144
a reply to: TzarChasm

It is ironic and a paradox. You need a self to see it doesnt exist.
We've talked about two perspectives. The absolute and relative. In the absolute, there is no self, and nothing to realize.

In the relative, there is the illusion of a self which needs to be used in order to see that it is just an appearance, an illusion.

there is no illusion of self. I AM. that is enough to shatter that illusion.

the rest of you can do the same thing.