Russian civilian aircraft goes off radar, reportedly crashes over Egypt

a reply to: Crumbles

Yes he did. You are right. But he was pretty clever at the time hiding it, ruling with an iron fist and the mind of a clever paranoiac fanatic, murdering many people on the top who could be in a position to expose such events. He manipulated history so cleverly that it took decades to piece together what was happening really.

Few civilians accepted the fact that concentration camps existed in the Soviet Union until the seventies when samizdat became popular and Solzhenitsin got Nobel price for a novel based on his Gulag experience.

Many Soviet prisoners of war were murdered by Soviet troops and many Russians etc. who spent any time beyond the front lines. However, most of these events were not international news at the time, war was already happening with millions dying everywhere, so historians discovered facts later.

Russia's ideology now is not Soviet socialism, but a strong feeling of nationalism.
Blowing up Russian tourist children would make the leader - very unpopular.
Very soon.

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Really?

The news has only just broke and you're already throwing around false flag accusations??

So who perpetrated this false flag? What kind of involvement are you implying? Military? Aide?

Russia already has had a close relationship with Egypt since president Morsi was ousted..

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Didn't the MSM immediately point the finger at Al Quaeda as soon as events started to unfold on 9/11?

The narrative was set almost immediately and like good citizens, the majority went along with it.

ISIS have claimed that they shot the plane down, but Russia are playing these claims down. Interesting.

news.sky.com...

Why can't planes be designed to break into sections where the fuselage doubles as a capsule that parachutes safely to the ground in the event of an imminent crash?

a reply to: Bone75

Yeah and why didn't the plane have antigravity technology that kept it safely hovering above ground in the event of a mid flight malfunction? Antigravity technology seems pretty obvious to me and I'm with you in that the best way to solve this tragedy before it happens is by being the world's most ridiculous Monday morning quarterback.

They say the pilot said he was having problems on the radio....Has this been confirmed? There was no 7700 squawk I don't believe which seems slightly odd. I don't know if there is a difference between letting ATC know your having trouble and a Mayday call but I guess it all happend quite quick.

People seems to be quick to declare it as technical faults! Not saying it was not but I don't think airlines would be avoiding the area for "technical faults" so there must be some degree of suspicion.

Either way it looks like the plane came down in peices and in flames one way or another...

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: corblimeyguvnor
Egypt now reporting no survivors. Low speed crash, plane broke into two parts

Russian police have just "raided" the offices of the airline

Breaking on BBC just now

How have they determined "a low speed crash"? What the hell is that anyways? From my understanding they lost contact with the plane roughly 20 min after take off. Putting the aircraft at roughly 30000 feet. Terminal velocity would be quite fast from that altitude.

Also, at 30000 feet, to be shot down you would need a full scale SAM launcher to reach 30000 feet. Nothing shoulder fired would reach this altitude. So, I highly doubt Egypt shot down a Russian airliner.

Low Speed Crash, in my opinion would be a controlled, full flaps and landing gear down attempt at an emergency landing, suggesting it wasn't shot down as has been speculated here, and that's all it is, speculation. But hey, i was just reporting the breaking news from the BBC

CbG

Right on cue. This has nothing to do with Egypt. Now the invasion of Syria by Russia with ground troops to "chop off the head of ISIS" can begin. Jives with the report the other day of Russia calling up 150,000 troops for Syria.

originally posted by: corblimeyguvnor

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: corblimeyguvnor
Egypt now reporting no survivors. Low speed crash, plane broke into two parts

Russian police have just "raided" the offices of the airline

Breaking on BBC just now

How have they determined "a low speed crash"? What the hell is that anyways? From my understanding they lost contact with the plane roughly 20 min after take off. Putting the aircraft at roughly 30000 feet. Terminal velocity would be quite fast from that altitude.

Also, at 30000 feet, to be shot down you would need a full scale SAM launcher to reach 30000 feet. Nothing shoulder fired would reach this altitude. So, I highly doubt Egypt shot down a Russian airliner.

Low Speed Crash, in my opinion would be a controlled, full flaps and landing gear down attempt at an emergency landing, suggesting it wasn't shot down as has been speculated here, and that's all it is, speculation. But hey, i was just reporting the breaking news from the BBC

CbG

Hmm From looking at the pictures I wouldn't say it was low speed. More like Mach 1

originally posted by: ashpack

originally posted by: corblimeyguvnor

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: corblimeyguvnor
Egypt now reporting no survivors. Low speed crash, plane broke into two parts

Russian police have just "raided" the offices of the airline

Breaking on BBC just now

How have they determined "a low speed crash"? What the hell is that anyways? From my understanding they lost contact with the plane roughly 20 min after take off. Putting the aircraft at roughly 30000 feet. Terminal velocity would be quite fast from that altitude.

Also, at 30000 feet, to be shot down you would need a full scale SAM launcher to reach 30000 feet. Nothing shoulder fired would reach this altitude. So, I highly doubt Egypt shot down a Russian airliner.

Low Speed Crash, in my opinion would be a controlled, full flaps and landing gear down attempt at an emergency landing, suggesting it wasn't shot down as has been speculated here, and that's all it is, speculation. But hey, i was just reporting the breaking news from the BBC

CbG

Hmm From looking at the pictures I wouldn't say it was low speed. More like Mach 1

Just got the update, and read the latest updates on this thread after responding to a question about a low speed crash. Dunno where the BBC was getting the information from at the time but, hey, they are MSM.

MEMO TO SELF: do not post breaking news updates until verified true or false through other sources.

CbG

Regards to family and friends.

According to RT-

13:39 GMT According to Egypt's security forces, as cited by Reuters, a technical fault was to blame for the crash. Search and rescue teams are finding bodies in a radius of up to 5km (3.1 miles) from the crash site. Approximately 150, some burnt, have been pulled out of the wreckage so far. The sources say the aircraft took almost a vertical trajectory as it plummeted down. Large parts of the fuselage burned in the process.

Updates

a reply to: dreamingawake

Looks like they were able to recover both black boxes now.

originally posted by: Bone75
Why can't planes be designed to break into sections where the fuselage doubles as a capsule that parachutes safely to the ground in the event of an imminent crash?

A simple and genius idea, sir!

Several compartments that blow releasing shoots if there's damage that prevents any kind of controlled landing.

Why not?

a reply to: McGinty

Each section of the plane would require parachutes to reduce collateral damage, but imagine how many parts would be reusable. I don't see why it can't be done.

a reply to: Bone75

If i new this tech was in place i'd keep my seat belt tight and hope for best. some chance of survival is world's better than none.

originally posted by: Bone75
Why can't planes be designed to break into sections where the fuselage doubles as a capsule that parachutes safely to the ground in the event of an imminent crash?

I love this.

a reply to: Kokatsi

Former KGB speaks volumes to me. Annexation of sovereign territory also speaks volumes about ideology. Just my 2 cents. That air campaign is turning into a full blown war. This just hits the nail for backing. Nothing like a tragedy to rally the support.

If Russia planned this, which is unlikely, they would need an American culprit, or a group backed or trained by Americans, not the IS, don't you think? They would also have probably warned certain people not to board (think 9/11). SMS-es would disappear - hackers are clever. KGB would be circumspect. The rebels in Ukraine that shot the Malay plane down were most likely Russian soldiers or the paramilitary acquired a BUK which was later cajoled out of the country quickly. The Russian power is now in a proxy war with the West, though they dislike Chechens in the IS. We are getting to dangerous ground in terms of mentality though.

Communication is so thwarted in Israel and Palestine that paranoia closes the avenues completely. You cannot prove anything because the enemy will go to the maximum length in your mind. But Israelis do not like sacrificing their own people (there are far less of Israelis than their enemies). This kind of sick thinking already raised its head in connection with Ukraine. They said the Ukrainians shot down the Malay plane last year just to show the world how evil the rebels were. But at least those victims were not Ukrainian. See my point?

The West is full of possible false flags because it mostly consists of parliamentary democracies, so they would need to hide an evil act like 9/11 which is still dubious in my eyes. Russia may need Gulf of Tonkin incidents to start a proxy war, but I think those terror acts in Moscow that catalyzed anti-Chechen sentiments were really that, Chechen terrorist acts.

See, if Russia wants to attack anyone now, except maybe large Western powers, it won't need any false flag it would just attack and explain to its populace that it was necessary. There were no incidents in the Crimea, and there were only video footage, sometimes manipulated, during the war against Kiew. You don't need so many false flags in a command economy - ideology is enough to drive them.

And it would be far easier to have a military plane accidentally "shot down" by the wrong guys (presumably American-backed rebels) and the charred body of a pilot will have enough convincing power.

The pilot apparently told controllers he was having radio problems before the handoff to Cyprus.

Get your tin foil hats out because The United States is somehow behind this

a reply to: ubernood

You think they are sitting on some provocative evidence like they did with the Zimmerman letter and Woodrow Wilson?