China not afraid of war with USA - Homeland invasion and occupation now possible!

a reply to: StargateSG7
Thanks for posting. China has been building up their military for some time now. The elites have been elevating them via trade imbalances with the west, borrowing money from them for entitlement spending and dismantling our own military. Michael savage always said liberalism is a mental disorder.

a reply to: combatmaster

If no nukes were involved, China still doesn't have the means to project power beyond its immediate region.

Their enormous Army would be difficult to supply across huge distances, and most, if not all of their landing crafts would be destroyed well before making it to our territorial waters.

They have an huge military that has seen essentially zero combat in the last 57 years or so. They have no military experience, they have poorly trained soldiers. We have PFCs in the Army with more experience in actual combat than their generals. With that in mind, how do you suppose such a poor excuse for an army would fare against one of, if not the most, well trained, funded, and equipped Army in the world?

originally posted by: tkwasny
The "sniper behind every bush" is a vast understatement. The average gun owner has 8.1 guns. The average gun owner has about 1000 rounds of ammo for EACH GUN. If TSHTF, I will be, and the other 60 million gun owners will be arming our relatives and neighbors that do not have guns. The US unorganized militia will suddenly exist in numbers nearing 250 million as pissed off hornets that just got a stick jabbed into their nest.

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Modern MetalStorm Guns can fire 100,000 to 1,000,000 rounds
per minute and when attached to full image recognition hunt,
target and kill sentry gun software It would not be hard to kill
300 Million People in less than 10 minutes with a whole line
of MetalStorm guns!

Your militia is ABSOLUTELY TOAST against
such software and hardware power!

And to make sure ammunition costs get pushed
waaaaay down, cheap steel rods 4 inches long
and 3/16'ths of an inch in diameter coated in
ceramic could be sent through ultra-capacitor
based Electromagnetic coil rail guns sending
a ceramic-coated steel dart at up 6000 MPH
at a MUCH HIGHER RATE OF FIRE than
conventional ammunition.

The kinetic energy would be equivalent to
a .60 CAL Sniper Round (NOT .50 CAL! .60 CAL!)
It would split heads and torsos open like exploded
watermelons! And with enough FAST-DISCHARGE
ultra-capacitors the rate of fire would ASTRONOMICALLY FAST!

300 MILLION DEAD in TEN MINUTES !!!!!!!!

Machines Win! Humans ALL DIE !!!!!

And China NOW has the EXPERTISE
to build and deploy such systems!

a reply to: StargateSG7
So. After reading the vast majority of this thread, i don't actually see where the OP explained how China is going to actually land hundreds of thousands of troops on North American shores. Never mind feed and supply them.

PS. And not to nitpick, but why CAPITALIZE some words randomly?

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Seriously, I think the taking of Taiwan would be the essential aspect for China o use such techniques against the US Navy and I also think it would be very effective against Taiwan, I think the large issue for China is they don't actually want Taiwanese deaths in such extremes because they feel they do have "some" body of support within Taiwan, but there are plenty of locations across from Taiwan to do it and the range is right, done properly you could get large numbers of such equipment to the area "given time" and done slowly without drawing massive attention and IF and I do say IF you could draw in the USA Navy without knowing entirely what was coming it could be done.

I would probably lure in the Navy by using the Chinese conventional fleet with a willingness to loose some ships to the battery that would come and on land a well in hopes the US Navy would draw in close thinking it was there to "put the bullet in the head" so to speak and Chinese land defenses had already taken a beating to a degree where it was safe to do so and then unleash the swarm, the point wouldn't be "to win" a War against the USA so much as a long term strategic battle. If you get in and sink a volume of US ships particularly a US Carrier what (playing as a Chinese General of course) you'd be accomplishing is a Morale victory, it encourages US enemies around the world "that it can be done" it costs the US a lot of money fuels up the anti war crowd in the USA and it buys the time to "land" enough men on Taiwan to where now the USA is an expensive war in which it also has to take back Taiwan, not to mention once you are there even if your going to get shoved off the Chinese have free reign to kill leadership and opposition and dismantle infra structure etc etc etal...

To occupy Taiwan would be the holy grail IMHO alongside sinking a Carrier it creates a very different Pacific outlook long term if they manage to get a cease fire but keep it later on they have essentially some form of legitimate claim and creating a situation where you force US boys to die on the ground and sailors at sea seriously helps with the one thing that could keep the US at bay Finance and a public against the war, Americans these days are real picky about dying for causes or their children and the USA has a serious issue... Numbers of Troops without a Draft and economy, lets say they successfully force men on the ground in Taiwan and even land enough guys in the Philippines covertly to force deployment there as well... Then you just have to Nudge NK into action and suddenly the US has to have a Draft YET the US isn't engaged by manpower on Chinese soil, IF SK and Tokyo are economically damaged by NK (not China) the US economy takes a major major hit, while having to be down a fleet from a single battle and the US people have a draft.... I think from the POV of a single defeat you could see the USA forced into a WW2 style effort and I would if I was China be willing to bet on the US public not having the same degree of committal it had then. The Chinese could probably get a cease fire on SK and Japan in return for keeping Taiwan. Once they have Taiwan they are very far along the road to eventual parity in the Pacific.

a reply to: StargateSG7

MEtal storm has never been sold to china. So no they woudnt be using that.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: StargateSG7

MEtal storm has never been sold to china. So no they woudnt be using that.

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I've built a version of MetalStorm myself using CO2 based paintball guns
that can fire stacked series of paintballs at 2000 rounds per minute equivalent
so it is TRIVIAL to make normal-ammo based MetalStorm Guns
not to mention making FAST-DISCHARGE ultra-capacitor Coilgun
versions that shoot steel darts.

Various build documents have been on the Internet for almost
a decade now and the MetalStorm system is SOOOO simple that
China would IGNORE any patents on it and just build them by
the millions!

originally posted by: StargateSG7

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: StargateSG7

MEtal storm has never been sold to china. So no they woudnt be using that.

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I've built a version of MetalStorm myself using CO2 based paintball guns
that can fire stacked series of paintballs at 2000 rounds per minute equivalent
so it is TRIVIAL to make normal-ammo based MetalStorm Guns
not to mention making FAST-DISCHARGE ultra-capacitor Coilgun
versions that shoot steel darts.

Various build documents have been on the Internet for almost
a decade now and the MetalStorm system is SOOOO simple that
China would IGNORE any patents on it and just build them by
the millions!

HEres a thought. you do know that to use such a thing they would have to build it on site actually. SMuggling in that amount of ammo OR trying to PROCURE IT ON SITE is a real real pain(as in next to not gonna happen) ALso COil guns have a low range. 30-06 has more range. MEtal storms are like claymores easy enough to avoid if you actually survey the battlefield.

originally posted by: nightbringr
a reply to: StargateSG7
So. After reading the vast majority of this thread, i don't actually see where the OP explained how China is going to actually land hundreds of thousands of troops on North American shores. Never mind feed and supply them.

PS. And not to nitpick, but why CAPITALIZE some words randomly?

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I captilize randomly BECAUSE It emphasizes
to the rest of the world that I have grandiose,
if not ultra-paranoid freako, uber-prepper,
libertarian loner viewpoints that showcase
my ultra-reactionary railings and diggings
against a VAAAAAAST Right-Wing Draco-Reptilian,
Illuminati New World Order, FEMA camp-instigating
evil jack-booted thug Federal and State government
conspiracy to pull us ALL down into a VAAAAST and
perverse globalist, leftist, communist poverty-ridden
life with NO LIBERTY, NO GUNS and NO LIQUOR !!!!
;-) :-)

So There I CAPITALIZE letters cuz I can !!!!!!!

Amerika F(*^& Yeah !!!!!!!

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: StargateSG7

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: StargateSG7

MEtal storm has never been sold to china. So no they woudnt be using that.

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I've built a version of MetalStorm myself using CO2 based paintball guns
that can fire stacked series of paintballs at 2000 rounds per minute equivalent
so it is TRIVIAL to make normal-ammo based MetalStorm Guns
not to mention making FAST-DISCHARGE ultra-capacitor Coilgun
versions that shoot steel darts.

Various build documents have been on the Internet for almost
a decade now and the MetalStorm system is SOOOO simple that
China would IGNORE any patents on it and just build them by
the millions!

HEres a thought. you do know that to use such a thing they would have to build it on site actually. SMuggling in that amount of ammo OR trying to PROCURE IT ON SITE is a real real pain(as in next to not gonna happen) ALso COil guns have a low range. 30-06 has more range. MEtal storms are like claymores easy enough to avoid if you actually survey the battlefield.

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You're NOT thinking outside the box enough!!!

With enough money and intelligence 50,000 Chinese soldiers
CAN be trained well enough to blend into American society
on a temporrary basis that a group could rent a warehouse,
buy miles of steel wire for the steel darts (teh wire usually
used for building fencing, road-bed or concrete reinforcement
or other innocuous tasks) and build coil guns from commonly
bought electrical and mechanical materiel!

Even shoulder fired misile systems can be MADE using
commonly available systems. The explosive parts COULD be
made in secret warehouses and then distributed country-wide.

A coil gun has a range up to 3 miles or more depending
upon the pulsed discharge rate of the capacitors so range
is NOT an issue here.

When the soldiers are dispersed to their intended targets
(i.e. missile bases, SAM batteries, critical infrastructure,
pipelines, bridges, roads, tunnels, powerlines, refineries,
gas stations, etc.) and receive the TRIGGER DAY SIGNAL,
they can start lobbing steel dart MetalStorm rounds and
rockets at their intended targets ALL AT ONCE to take
everyone by surprise. The SAM batteries
(i.e. Surface-to-Air Missiles) would be taken
out first and then the land-based nukes
using a direct suicide attack scenario
to destroy the silos themselves since
it would take LESS THAN a few tens of men
to take out the Apache Attack Helicopters
and F-16 support squadrons usually used on
missile bases. THEN you go after the soldier
barracks, mess halls and other technical
support buildings and take them out
so you can then you can directly attack
the missile doors by using 4000 Degree
thermite cutters or 100,000 PSI
portable water cutters to QUICKLY
cut holes in the concrete slab/steel
missile doors so you can lob bundles
of C4 down the missile tubes!

Once critical infrastructure is taken out,
and anti-aircraft systems are obliterated
then modified Boeing 747 or other heavy
aircraft would begin their daily bombing
runs from overseas China to drop 55 gallon
drums of Napalm out the cargo doors using
just mechanical feed systems. Inside the drums
are timed detonators that disperse the contents
over an area of tens of square meters starting
firestorms in an ALL-OUT-WAR SCENARIO!
500 Sorties a Day x 60-to-90 days = TRUE WIDE AREA
DEVASTATION --- Then Winter Sets In and
everyone else DIES after 5 months !!!!!

NO OTHER troops or landing craft are needed!
JUST SMUGGLED-IN TROOPS brought over in
shipping containers and staying in bought
and-built-in-the-USA rented warehouses
for building all the rockets, coil guns and
explosives needed to pull off such a stunt !!!!

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It would be FAR EASIER for China
to pull this off than America since
the diverse nature of the American
populace ALLOWS people to disperse
themselves widely and in a hidden manner!

It would be pretty hard to hide a bunch of
Gweilo's and Round-Eyes in Chinese mainland
warehouses to pull off a major attack like this.

China could smuggle a few tens of soldiers each
day in shipping containers ALL over the USA and
do it over a period of many months if not years
and EASILY assemble a final army of 50,000+ soldiers
hiding in rented warehouses waiting for D-DAY !!!!

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SOOOOO !!!! YOU MUST THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX
if you want to win a war on a strategic and tactical level !

While I DOUBT most of China's POLITICAL LEADERS would
entertain such a scenario, finding it on a human level
a pretty abhorrant inhumane act, I wouldn't put it
past some Hitleresque off-kilter MILITARY leaders
(i.e. Gen-X'ers) who grew up on Chinese versions
of ultra-violent Halo and Mass Effect video games
to become entranced by such a fantasy scenario!

One thing I have learnt in my many years, is while
MOST PEOPLE OF ANY CULTURE OR NATIONALITY
will tend to behave in a humane and "normal"
manner, its the crazies who TEND to cause all
the trouble. With all my schooling, I STILL could
NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY MILLIONS of everyday
supposedly NORMAL German citizens actually
FOLLOWED Hitler?

From a historical perspective after the fact,
I could see what the end result would eventually
be....BUT...I personally STILL don't get HOW
ONE MAN could cause so many problems for
an entire nation!

So.... these posts are a WARNING that it takes
ONLY A FEW people in the Chinese Government
to cause ENORMOUS PROBLEMS for Americans
(and the rest of the world) and IF we continue
to stick our heads in the sand, the CONSEQUENCES
are far more SEVERE than what happened in the
1940's because like in today's game of Football,
the players are BIGGER, FASTER and PACK A
MUCH BIGGER PUNCH !!!!

So if WE get hit unexpectedly we might NOT
be able to recover AT ALL --- PERIOD !!!
We could be DOWN FOR THE COUNT -- PERMANENTLY !!!!!!

It's Your Choice America --- Prepare Yourselves Accordingly!
I'm just giving you the head's up on what MIGHT happen!

An ounce of prevention if worth FAR MORE than a pound of cure!

Does the USA really believe it can wage war with both Russia and China in North Africa, The middle East, Northern Pakistan, Afghanistan and be victorious enough to demand repatriations and lord it over the vanquished with impunity?????...Really..?????...#@*ing Really???????????.................. Things are worse than i thought guys. The US has gone Rogue on planet Earth and all who dwell upon it..

a reply to: StargateSG7

All well and good

except the largest Non White Minority group in the USA by 2065 will be Asian, with a strong share of that Chinese, close in number to Caucasians with an Asian dominant Canada to the North.

Doing anything that gets Americans even noticing Asian immigration let alone killing Asians is utterly contradictory to the point and that point is to have the kind of relationship with North America Europe does.

Workable idea don't get me wrong

But China's never doing anything that takes down it's soon to be Asian neighbor across the Pacific unless we force them too.

I don't even get our govt... If you KNOW your country is going to be closing Half Asian in your lifetime, why worry about Chinese dominance other than insane Xenophobia, i'd be funding the Island building the money is going to come right back at us without a conflict...

China would be quite an Ally if you REALLY want to assure another American Century have another Europe on the other side of the other pond.

a reply to: StargateSG7

They may not be afraid. They should be. Not being afraid of the USA is very ignorant. Not afraid of the worlds superpower? Asia would have the worlds largest parking lot. We wage war after tying one arm behind our back against countries that are throwing everything they have at us. Hell...both arms and one leg. No one has seen the US at full power. Nobody wants that. Not even Americans.

It's probably not the wisest thing to start trouble by edging in on territory claimed by the Phillipines, and like Taiwan I believe they have a defense agreement with the U.S.

Anyhow if worse comes to worse, it's likely we have some leftovers from the cold war.
en.wikipedia.org...

And it's likely there are sucessors to that which have been improved.

Those things are just quietly sitting down there in place, perhaps as another tier of MAD doctrine. Right now it's turned off, as we prefer open passage and free trade across most oceans. But if turned on, ships or subs running into those areas covered by them likely wont be getting too far. The navy has a tendency to like calling the shots in where it does it's battles and having something very difficult to counter and hard to locate is part of it.

So an effective invasion is unlikely to be coming by sea.

Only way to really try to invade the U.S. would be to pre-stage in South America or across the Bering Strait where it's possible to make use of a land bridge. Other than that is to try to do your best with sleeper cells already in the country. I don't think those would slip that easily past intel, given stories about how the gov't likes to keep tabs on and harass small fry. (But they'll stay quieter about any bigger game they're hunting if it's out there.)

Of course the long term strategy for any U.S. opponent may be simply to wait and watch for economic self-destruction. Many things are already mismanaged enough here as it is. (But with China that may be a contest of seeing who's disenfranchised turns to civil unrest first, might be a bigger break for them to turn it outwards rather than inwards.)

a reply to: Soloprotocol

We have a few friends also who happen to be quite lethal. If there was an all out ww3 today. The US would become even more powerful. The good thing is the US isn't property collecting. North America could be ours without having to wage a war. They know better.

a reply to: StargateSG7

SOrry but a little while off the grid dont really bother u s in the rural areas. We also recognize strangers round here and best believe someone from not around here will go missing and no one bats a eye. The Federal government has the means to run totally off the grid too. like i said before its a pipe dream youre worrying over.

Also there IS a deadmans protocol in the US just like the russians have. A attack on a missile silo can set off a full response automatically if they actually get into it. If i am not mistaken they also have self destructs and remote detonators if they are compromised. To prevent a rogue launch.

Also..rail guns take a large power source to run effectively. Dont see any chinese being able to make them. most are conscripts who are just smart enough to shoot a gun.

a reply to: criticalhit

How can I put this...
IT'S NOT just the equipment it's also the skills.
When the US operates at war it's a machine ,not individual commanders trying to figure out what to do so charge in a wave.
China can't DO that with out a fight.
We have done it since WWII in a dominant fashion.
No challenge just initail losses,then a response.

If you look at just the numbers, trained soldiers, amount of weaponry, money spent... the USA should not exist. It faced the British Empire at a time that they were considered undefeatable, won a war against the far more experienced Spanish crown, even in the Mexican American war most best were on Mexico. Obviously, the numbers never tell the whole story.

US has allies, China does not.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: StargateSG7

SOrry but a little while off the grid dont really bother u s in the rural areas. We also recognize strangers round here and best believe someone from not around here will go missing and no one bats a eye. The Federal government has the means to run totally off the grid too. like i said before its a pipe dream youre worrying over.

Also there IS a deadmans protocol in the US just like the russians have. A attack on a missile silo can set off a full response automatically if they actually get into it. If i am not mistaken they also have self destructs and remote detonators if they are compromised. To prevent a rogue launch.

Also..rail guns take a large power source to run effectively. Dont see any chinese being able to make them. most are conscripts who are just smart enough to shoot a gun.

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The Deadman's switch aka The Samson Option
Is merely an automated launch system, that in the American case, relies upon automated
detection of nuclear detonations at ground and
atmospheric levels and/or a continous negative
Response to a time-oriented signals intelligence-based Challenge And Respond
System. If a specific signal is present (or not present!) then the missiles default to a selective
Target list and can auto-launch. Unlike Russia's
Version, the USA version is required to be
activated on a Manual basis ONLY after
A DefCon-1 state is reached and the
President signs off on the necessary codes
Used to activate the system. Submarine
commanders can also be sent warhead and
missile activation codes that allow a manual
missile targeting, arming and launch via an
ELF radio activation system.

On a normal President-activated launch protocol,
the activation codes contain checksums and
Check flags indicating and confirming the
preset target and yield of the W88 warheads.
Test or training launch codes do not have valid checksums or check flags so the missiles lock out
To prevent an accidental launch and arm.

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On ground based nuclear missile systems
you can bypass the Lockouts by removing
all timers and electrical connections to the warhead detonators and install Picosecond
capable high power IGBT (Insulated Gate Bipolar Transistor) switches or use tube-based Krytrons attached to your own clock timer-based master detonator so the core compression explosives can be detonated at EXACTLY the same time to start the fission/fusion process.

You just need to get to the warhead cables
attached to the core compression explosives
and attach those cables DIRECTLY to your own
picosecond switches. That bypasses all electronic
Lockouts and altitude sensor electrical gates.

Modern inner core / outer nuclear core physical
Separators used as internal warhead lockouts
or used in the disablement of a higher yield
secondary detonation can also be bypassed
But thats another story which I can get into
At a later time.....

Once you re-enable the missile warheads
Using your own detonators, a simple and
relatively cheap inertial guidance system
can be installed after you rip out the original
computer controlled multi-technique targeting
and flight control system on the missile itself.
Then you literally Fast start the turbo pumps on
the rocket (if liquid fuelled) using Manual ignition
and launch your nukes at your own designated
internal targets...which China could do once its
soldiers attack and disable the missile tube
doors on a temporary basis....!!!

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Rail gun capacitors can be charged and recharged
From simple dynamos / AC / DC systems operated from and attached to Motorcycle or car engines.

It is the timing and speed of discharge from
The fast-discharge capacitors AND the length
Of the tube containing the pulsed linear induction
Coils which govern final projectile velocity
and fire rate. 3 or 4 metre coil tubes could be
Made into sections for onsite installation attached
To 3-axis stepper motors and a full optical or
Infrared image recognition auto targeting system.

All that sentry gun machine vision and auto targeting computer code is now fully open source on the internet available to ANYONE !!!