Tuition fees and sugardaddies: The rise of student prostitution

a reply to: Isurrender73

What statistics and what do they have to do with this subject?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I just want honesty and consistency. The laws are not consistent and are based largely on a dishonest ideology that the government is protecting people from themselves. Abortion, body mutilation, and eating yourself into morbid obesity are all legal because governments regulate and tax the businesses and they are all "services" which "pay their tax dowry" in some fashion. Conversely, prostitution can be conducted entirely absent of any other taxed or licensed purchases, drugs can be grown or manufactured and sold in absence of most taxed or licensed purchases, and suicides can be carried out with no taxed or licensed purchases. It has NOTHING to do with "we're trying to protect you from yourselves" and everything to do with "have you provided your cut of flesh to the taxman and regulators for what you're doing?"

Hell, we're even seeing laws passed to outlaw home gardens because the taxes generated from seed sales pale in comparison to those collected from the sale of whole produce...

Have I said recently just how much I hate what this world has become?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
No, it is not, because college is not a basic need.

The only basic needs to not immediately die are food, water, and enough shelter to not freeze to death.

If that's all we're providing to people, that's a pretty low bar.

If we're talking more long term, Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs (see the word need in there) addresses the concept of sexuality and having to prostitute yourself violates it.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Well, I am all for legal prostitution. If two people want to engage in sex and one wants to pay the other I have no issue.

Nevada has already done it and they take their cut (not that I like taxes, but fair is fair).

originally posted by: Aazadan
If we're talking more long term, Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs (see the word need in there) addresses the concept of sexuality and having to prostitute yourself violates it.

Good for you and Maslow. Some people like sex so much they make it their career.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Aazadan
If we're talking more long term, Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs (see the word need in there) addresses the concept of sexuality and having to prostitute yourself violates it.

Good for you and Maslow. Some people like sex so much they make it their career.

I'm pretty sure these people going to college for educations in other fields are looking for that to be their career, not sex.

originally posted by: Aazadan
I'm pretty sure these people going to college for educations in other fields are looking for that to be their career, not sex.

That is their decision to make, not yours or anyone else's.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yup, Jenna Jameson or however you spell it is was worth around 30 mil.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Not I....

The plain and most basic ideal of this whole darn (meaning other word) subject is that is it currently illegal for two consenting adults to enter into a service contract however it is perfectly legal for those same two adults to do the same act for free.

That is hypocrisy and stupidity rolled into one "Hyppidity" for lack of a better word....

Jesus, the bickering of black and white stances is tiring. I had to stop after page two, it's just that ridiculous.

This isn't about adults, and it's not about monies, it's about the social impacts of increasing costs for basic needs.

People believe they need the college degree (they need talent, can't buy that!), and a generation ago... yes, this happened, but that's a lie in itself, because it's not an all or nothing deal... this has increased, and you'd have to be a complete idiot to think otherwise.

You'd also be an idiot to assume that someone who would opt for a sugar daddy is or isn't harmed, does or does not want this fully... it's all situational, and individuated. You look at trends, and think up scenarios, but overall assess that people are being put in a position where damage can happen... looking at the long term trends, things are still improving, but compared to a generation ago? More people getting crappier degrees, taking on more debts, being put in questionable positions on multiple levels.

What about the trends pointing towards lowered oxytocin levels in women? Just consenting adults? C'mon... I mean I can step outside of the morality of yesteryear and wonder if this is or isn't truly better, but damned... it's definitely different, and not nearly as simple as "two consenting adults". You could fund 100 studies to work at this a dozen different ways, compile the data into a layered perspective, 1,000 page book and not even get close.

So no, this isn't merely "two consenting adults", it's a hell of a trend that branches out far beyond the scope of this thread to really get to the bottom of it, but I sure ain't gonna do all that work.

a reply to: Isurrender73

Yes,it's absolutely bad news for women, its absolutely bad news for society, and its absolutely bad news for student culture.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Aazadan
I'm pretty sure these people going to college for educations in other fields are looking for that to be their career, not sex.

That is their decision to make, not yours or anyone else's.

Maybe not, but if you're going to listen to Maslow who knew a thing or two on this subject, he would say they're harming themselves and that they probably don't even realize it.

That said, better options can be provided without telling them they can't take this option. Actually doing things like addressing the cost of college and the financing options would do a lot. Having appropriate wages for college jobs would also do a lot.

It was before I was born but not all that long ago really a college student could work all summer and save enough to pay next years tuition, as well as for their room and board at the dorms. That is no longer the case.

originally posted by: Aazadan
Maybe not, but if you're going to listen to Maslow who knew a thing or two on this subject, he would say they're harming themselves and that they probably don't even realize it.

Good for him, not his call.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: nonjudgementalist
So you'd be happy to see your nations great university campuses turned into red light districts?

That's what this is.

I have no issues with what adults do with their time or their bodies.

The issue isn't about consenting adults or any of that crap. Hell, I even support legalized prostitution. The issue here isn't of legality, the issue here is one of serious social breakdown when prostitution becomes a norm of sexual exploitation. What concerns me, is what it is a symptom of. Prostituting one's self out as a form of income is not just like any other job, like flipping burgers or whatever. It is not something that most women would not want to do, for a variety of reasons, and has far more complications and risks, even in a legal setting than other crap jobs. Were our system actually functioning normal, there would be far more variety, flexibility, and affordability in educational opportunities, as well as methods to pay for it without selling your soul, your children, and their children into perpetual debt. Income options that don't involve having to be some rich old decrepit geezer's piece of meat, and degrade one's self in the process.

It's a symptom of a bigger disease: increased desperation, decreased access to resources, and an over-emphasis on college education for even low paying jobs.

originally posted by: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
It is not something that most women...

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Income options that don't involve having to be some rich old decrepit geezer's piece of meat...

This is what I was refering to earlier. If it were a young man and an older women we would be all cool?

Women (and men) are free to do with thier bodies what they want.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Aazadan
Maybe not, but if you're going to listen to Maslow who knew a thing or two on this subject, he would say they're harming themselves and that they probably don't even realize it.

Good for him, not his call.

Going by the credentials, it's more his call than yours.

originally posted by: Aazadan
Going by the credentials, it's more his call than yours.

Here is the thing, I never said it WAS my call. It is the adult's in questions call.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
Two consenting adults can do as they please.

I agree. What business is it of ours what two ADULTS do with their own time, including sex?

We are so damn puritanical sometimes I find it laughable.

The only reason th e government does is they arent getting a cut of the money. They ar e like a Pimp that way.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

a reply to: tothetenthpower

You guys don't have daughters?

The problem is they are indirectly forced into it and in most cases will regret the decision years down the line.

It's much more complicated than 'two consenting adults'. Age, maturity and decision making processes are all different things within different people.