Atheists object to Christmas toy drive on Air Force base – and win

originally posted by: dawnstar

Beliefs and such are the domain of the religions, and as such, the gov't shouldn't be interfering with them unless they start infringing on others....

One belief infringing on another in the military?

Nah, that would never happen

Cross Placed at Air Force Pagan Circle Prompts Probe

A large wooden cross was placed at an Air Force Academy worship area for pagans and other Earth-centered religions, prompting an investigation by academy officials, though some caution that it's hardly "destructive behavior." www.foxnews.com...

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: BubbaJoe

I'd personally suggest that E-3 man up. If he is in doubt of himself.... He shouldn't be a Soldier.

Really?, then you have no idea what a superior ranking person in the military can do to you with no repercussions.

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: BubbaJoe

I'd personally suggest that E-3 man up. If he is in doubt of himself.... He shouldn't be a Soldier.

Are none of the christians here going to admit the farce that this thread has become? He should just man up huh? What the actual #?

a reply to: dawnstar

Government computer? Really? Who's the "government"? If not,.. "We the people"?You're falling for the o'l "devide and conquer" routine... We all pay for "government computers" ...don't be ignorant.

a reply to: BubbaJoe

Oh, but I do! You know what? I offered him, to go out back to the "smoke shack".. Be a man or a clown in a "uniform"... It's that easy. Faith and belief...go a long way.

a reply to: ketsuko

did any of that fundraiser literature have messages spreading the Good News, or other religious ideas in them??
If two schools had the same catalog, only one was a religious school and the other wasn't, I kind of think the school might get into trouble if they let the one but not the other...

I am actually going to deviate for a bit, had a friend commit suicide while in the military, he was eulogized with a Christian funeral ceremony. After watching all the ceremony that goes with a military funeral, several friends and I hit the NCO club to send our friend off in the only way we knew how to.

About an hour in to our little drunkfest, an officer appeared at our table. He was a Rabbi, was invited to join us, had a drink, asked us how we were all doing, and gave us his card if we needed to talk. His actions that night say alot about the chaplain corp of the US military, religion was never brought up in that conversation, and he was a good sounding board, I visited with him a few times, as did others in our group. He in fact joined us, on the one year anniversary of our friends passing.

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Oh, but I do! You know what? I offered him, to go out back to the "smoke shack".. Be a man or a clown in a "uniform"... It's that easy. Faith and belief...go a long way.

Hahaa. Really? Behind the smoke shack? Oh man this is comedy gold. This is so indicative of where this thread is going. Behind the smoke shack for what i'm guessing is a little advanced interogation? Or maybe a make out session to relieve some of that man stress?

Are you claiming you threatened a superior officer? And he didn't do anything about it?

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Oh, but I do! You know what? I offered him, to go out back to the "smoke shack".. Be a man or a clown in a "uniform"... It's that easy. Faith and belief...go a long way.

I am agnostic and a black belt, are you suggesting I take an E7, 8, or 9 out to the "Smoke Shack" and kick their ass? I spent my last 4 years on active duty as an instructor, you do know there are a wee bit of ethics involved there?

a reply to: BubbaJoe

Roger that! Sometimes we just need to be heard and not "preached" at. I spent a few momments with a Catholic Chaplain (a Captain).... as a Protestant. But it was comforting to know he at least, had a basic foundation of where I was comming from.

a reply to: murphy22

"We the people" consists of more than just christians though, don't they? Maybe the Jews, the Buddhists, the Hindus, and whatever, don't want their tax money being wasted sending out emails full of christian dogma? Maybe the don't want to pay the salary of the teacher that is kicking their kids out from classrooms while others pray to the christian God. Heck maybe the homosexuals just don't want to pay the salary of the little country clerk who is denying them the marriage license that the supreme courts says they have the right to have!!!
We the people---- represents all of the people, not just your little group!!!

a reply to: DeathSlayer

This absolutely the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
These people aren't atheists, they're just assholes.
I don't believe in God, but so what?
Christmas is just a repurposed pagan mid winter celebration anyway, since Christ, if he was real, wasn't born anywhere near that time anyway....

a reply to: BubbaJoe

Right and wrong, defines "Ethics". I was right, he was wrong. ..I called him on it. We shook hands. Then I gave the "legal" salute. He returned it. ... Rank and titles don't make men.

a reply to: Woodcarver

Threaten? Hell no! I merely suggested a more "professional" place to discuss his "mentorship".. Don't be silly.

a reply to: VictorBloodworth

True story!

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Oh, but I do! You know what? I offered him, to go out back to the "smoke shack".. Be a man or a clown in a "uniform"... It's that easy. Faith and belief...go a long way.

You're full of it dude. 100% just outed yourself as full of shenanigans. Probably "beat up" a drill sergeant too, right?

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Roger that! Sometimes we just need to be heard and not "preached" at. I spent a few momments with a Catholic Chaplain (a Captain).... as a Protestant. But it was comforting to know he at least, had a basic foundation of where I was comming from.

This guy had no foundation of where we were coming from, I am not sure there was a christian, muslim, or jew at our table that night, I worked in a very technical field, and most of us were agnostic at best. But he brought the best of US Military Chaplain Corp, and was just there to offer what comfort he could. He had been in the chapel that day, and had seen our group, when his day was done, he specifically came to the NCO club looking for us. I know I often times come across as anti-christian, anti-religious, but that is not the case. If someone is living the life they are preaching, I will give them a listen, and then as politely as I can explain to them, why I think they are mistaken. It has opened up some interesting debates, and even one evangelical asking if I would like to continue the conversation over a beer? WTF

originally posted by: Annee
I support Separation of Church and State 100%.

Really? i love this comment from people...

No where in the constitution does it say anything about separation of Church and state. What it DOES say is -

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]

It does not prevent the government from engaging in activities, like charities and what not. What it does prevent is the Government from establishing an official state religion, like England has.

I would argue Atheist groups are in fact violating the 1st amendment by forcing their non belief on those who believe and want to share their beliefs via charity and helping others.

Operation Christmas Child at Samaritan's Purse.com

ABOUT US
After sharing the story of the Good Samaritan, Jesus said “Go and do likewise.” That is the mission of Samaritan's Purse—to follow the example of Christ by helping those in need and proclaiming the hope of the Gospel.

MISSION STATEMENT

Samaritan’s Purse is a nondenominational evangelical Christian organization providing spiritual and physical aid to hurting people around the world. Since 1970, Samaritan’s Purse has helped meet needs of people who are victims of war, poverty, natural disasters, disease, and famine with the purpose of sharing God’s love through His Son, Jesus Christ.

The organization serves the Church worldwide to promote the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

and specifically about "Operation Christmas Child"

What goes into the box is fun ... what comes out of the box is eternal.

In the hands of local churches, every gift-filled shoebox is a powerful tool for evangelism and discipleship—transforming the lives of children and their families around the world through the Good News of Jesus Christ!

As shoebox gifts are distributed, local pastors or church leaders present the Gospel in a fun way designed for kids while family and friends listen in. Along with their shoebox gift, children also receive The Greatest Gift, a colorful presentation of the Gospel in their own language.

Yeah it's "all about the kids" ... riiiiggght.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Annee
I support Separation of Church and State 100%.

Really? i love this comment from people...

No where in the constitution does it say anything about separation of Church and state.

I am fully aware of the entire Separation of Church and State info/discussions, etc.

What we have today has been decided by challenges and court cases won over the years.

I don't live 200 years ago.