Caitlyn jenner named woman of the year by glamour

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Caitlyn jenner named woman of the year by glamour

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Shouldn't need to be said, but.....

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a reply to: Darth_Prime

Baloney I personally don't agree with the award nor the gender application. My wife and billions of mom's the world over have deserved far greater applause for alot longer than this ...imo pretender...as being a woman, ask any actual one...is not defined by a breast job and a weave. I completely disagree with Glamour, mind you it's a sub standard periodical with absolutely no gravitas..

a reply to: Bluntone22

Wonder when he will end up in jail for the car accident he was involved in...can't imagine if my father was killed buy this guy only to get a ton of attention taken off of the real issue of manslaughter...if folks remember he rear ended a white prius and Malibu which resulted in the death of a 70 + year old man...

But lets celebrate that he had a sex change....forget the other people in the world who do good everyday...I'm so sick of the media and Hollywood....

a reply to: chrismarco

Great and valid point! The...um...person killed someone...imagine how those loved ones feel watching this charade...this is demeaning to women imo...I have no problems with transgender...but what has Bruce OR Caitlin done for women?

On topic, I will give my opinion of her being nominated.

She is a sensational reality tv star, former athlete, and a target for discrimination. Among the previous Glamour Magazine's "Woman of the Year", we have people like Lady Gaga and Victoria Beckham. This nomination isn't for anything in particular other than being famous and interesting. There is absolutely nothing controversial about a former-athlete-turned-reality-star being nominated for an award that doesn't mean anything.

So do I think she deserves the nomination? Sure, because there aren't really any criteria for it other than the editors at Glamour thinking she should be nominated. It's not a Grammy, Emmy, or anything else where people are competing with their talents. It is literally a boardroom deciding she is a fascinating woman this year.

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: odzeandennz

You are false, Her Gender-Identity has always been a Woman and always will be[/quote

edit on 23-10-2015 by DOCHOLIDAZE1 because: (no reason given)

and you know this because you know him personally? and asked him exactly how he feels? and he gave a completely truthful answer?

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a reply to: Abysha

I think that is a fair assessment.

Glamour Magazine feels that she has sold enough magazines (and will continue to do so) because she is interesting. So they gave her an award (that, obviously, will only drive the interest in their page filler Jenner).

Bruce Jenner wasn't really interesting. I mean, as a fixture on the couch or in the bed on their show....he was just the other person one of the chicks was talking to. Not very interesting at all.

But as Kaitlyn Jenner....now she's interesting. Its not personality, or insight. The show wasn't called "The Jenner's". It was called "The Kardashian's". Its the sex change that has made this person interesting.

I think I am fairly open in my support for LGBT type issues. And really have nothing to lose or gain by Jenner's choice of gender, so am mostly agnostic on the matter as people can do what they please. But...the circus surrounding it? I can't help but be cynical. Sorry....but support can't come at the cost of being honest to myself here.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Abysha

I think that is a fair assessment.

Glamour Magazine feels that she has sold enough magazines (and will continue to do so) because she is interesting. So they gave her an award (that, obviously, will only drive the interest in their page filler Jenner).

Bruce Jenner wasn't really interesting. I mean, as a fixture on the couch or in the bed on their show....he was just the other person one of the chicks was talking to. Not very interesting at all.

But as Kaitlyn Jenner....now she's interesting. Its not personality, or insight. The show wasn't called "The Jenner's". It was called "The Kardashian's". Its the sex change that has made this person interesting.

I think I am fairly open in my support for LGBT type issues. And really have nothing to lose or gain by Jenner's choice of gender, so am mostly agnostic on the matter as people can do what they please. But...the circus surrounding it? I can't help but be cynical. Sorry....but support can't come at the cost of being honest to myself here.

Fair enough. Caitlin Jenner has been a huge double-edged sword for transpeople. Most transwomen can't stand her as she makes a spectacle over something very serious and makes a person vulnerable. On the other hand, she has caused some people (not many, apparently) to actually research what she is going through. I can't decide if she's done more damage than good.

originally posted by: Abysha

If you don't think she deserves it, where are all of your threads on Lady Gaga, Selena Gomez, Cheryl Cole, Kylie Minogue, Victoria Beckham, Rachel Stevens, Christina Aguilera, or Britney Spears? All of them are pop stars, reality tv stars, or models. None of them cured cancer or were awarded with Glamours Woman of the Year Award for anything beyond just sensationalism. They all won the award and you never wrote threads about how they also didn't deserve it.

Either you are mistaking this award for a Nobel Prize or you are simply discriminating against Caitlin. Can you tell me why she deserves the award any less than Lady Gaga?

originally posted by: Bluntone22
I'm sympathetic to the man's situation, but all this pc/pr crap is getting old.

If you were "sympathetic" to her, you would have enough human decency to not call her a man. It is not a matter of being "pc" to respect another human. If you think it is, you are a bad human.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
There are loads of women that have actually done something to inspire women and they were just slapped in the face by a public relations stunt.

Like Lady Gaga? Yeah, ok...

mou

Kylie Mynogie is a breast cancer survivor. She does deserve recognition.

Sorry, but if Caitlyn is still an intact man, then he didn't take the ultimate commitment to being the female he says he feels he is.

I read a wonderful post on another discussion board that said until Caitlyn experienced periods, pregnancy, child birth or menopause, she was not a woman no matter her outward appearance.

originally posted by: Cheddarhead

originally posted by: Abysha

If you don't think she deserves it, where are all of your threads on Lady Gaga, Selena Gomez, Cheryl Cole, Kylie Minogue, Victoria Beckham, Rachel Stevens, Christina Aguilera, or Britney Spears? All of them are pop stars, reality tv stars, or models. None of them cured cancer or were awarded with Glamours Woman of the Year Award for anything beyond just sensationalism. They all won the award and you never wrote threads about how they also didn't deserve it.

Either you are mistaking this award for a Nobel Prize or you are simply discriminating against Caitlin. Can you tell me why she deserves the award any less than Lady Gaga?

originally posted by: Bluntone22
I'm sympathetic to the man's situation, but all this pc/pr crap is getting old.

If you were "sympathetic" to her, you would have enough human decency to not call her a man. It is not a matter of being "pc" to respect another human. If you think it is, you are a bad human.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
There are loads of women that have actually done something to inspire women and they were just slapped in the face by a public relations stunt.

Like Lady Gaga? Yeah, ok...

mou

Kylie Mynogie is a breast cancer survivor. She does deserve recognition.

Sorry, but if Caitlyn is still an intact man, then he didn't take the ultimate commitment to being the female he says he feels he is.

I read a wonderful post on another discussion board that said until Caitlyn experienced periods, pregnancy, child birth or menopause, she was not a woman no matter her outward appearance.

[SNIP]

Do you think she did not make an impact? Do you read Glamour?

Murderer.



Poor Malala.
What a waste of an award, editorial space and Internet data.

a reply to: Abysha

so glamour nominated a man for women of the year? either its a slight against women or its a ploy to make money. either way ats is wasting time discussing. are we not better then this?

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Cheddarhead

originally posted by: Abysha

If you don't think she deserves it, where are all of your threads on Lady Gaga, Selena Gomez, Cheryl Cole, Kylie Minogue, Victoria Beckham, Rachel Stevens, Christina Aguilera, or Britney Spears? All of them are pop stars, reality tv stars, or models. None of them cured cancer or were awarded with Glamours Woman of the Year Award for anything beyond just sensationalism. They all won the award and you never wrote threads about how they also didn't deserve it.

Either you are mistaking this award for a Nobel Prize or you are simply discriminating against Caitlin. Can you tell me why she deserves the award any less than Lady Gaga?

originally posted by: Bluntone22
I'm sympathetic to the man's situation, but all this pc/pr crap is getting old.

If you were "sympathetic" to her, you would have enough human decency to not call her a man. It is not a matter of being "pc" to respect another human. If you think it is, you are a bad human.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
There are loads of women that have actually done something to inspire women and they were just slapped in the face by a public relations stunt.

Like Lady Gaga? Yeah, ok...

mou

Kylie Mynogie is a breast cancer survivor. She does deserve recognition.

Sorry, but if Caitlyn is still an intact man, then he didn't take the ultimate commitment to being the female he says he feels he is.

I read a wonderful post on another discussion board that said until Caitlyn experienced periods, pregnancy, child birth or menopause, she was not a woman no matter her outward appearance.

Whether or not you recognize her gender is not the topic. This is not the thread to give you basic education on the topic. It is not philosophical. This thread is about her being nominated for something. The nomination is for making an impact in 2015 that Glamour magazine editors decided upon.

Do you think she did not make an impact? Do you read Glamour?

But it is the topic. Don't get me wrong, Caitlyn made a huge impact and was a highly visible trans individual in 2015 and brought a huge amount of attention to the subject.

My issue is that while looking like a woman through surgeries and clothes, hair and makeup, Caitlyn didn't go the final step and have gender reassignment surgery. What if Caitlyn decides that being a woman isn't all she thought it would be? She can once again become male if she chooses very easily.

a reply to: Cheddarhead

surgery is never "easy" there is always a possibility of death. but if he wants attention and money and the media can use him to distract us. then i guess surgery is "easy"

originally posted by: DOCHOLIDAZE1
a reply to: Cheddarhead

surgery is never "easy" there is always a possibility of death. but if he wants attention and money and the media can use him to distract us. then i guess surgery is "easy"

Agree with you completely about using Caitlyn as the shiny object over HERE and to distract us from what's going on over THERE.

a reply to: Bluntone22

I would like to know who he beat out.