Muslim Invasion of Europe

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: anxiouswens

Any country (on the planet) that refuses to appropriately screen for bio-security, radicalism and anything else which is anti-that countries core values, traditions and customs, can suffer the consequences thereof.

They will. It's just a matter of time.
We are witnessing the last few moments of Europe as we've known it for the last 1,000 years.

a reply to: bastion

I just assumed they meant the people who are illegal immigrants now
and who will soon become legal immigrants,
will join with the part of the arab population we have now, who lives primarily off welfare.

You think they will remain here as illegals? Why?

a reply to: masqua

I'm sorry, I just don't understand this sentiment.

If my country was being bombed to dust, I would leave for another country that I felt shared my values so that I would be comfortable there, so likely I would go to Australia or US and would probably fit in very well.

I don't see under what situation I would try to emigrate to the countries who were responsible (even partly) for the bombing...

originally posted by: Bluesma
a reply to: bastion

I just assumed they meant the people who are illegal immigrants now
and who will soon become legal immigrants,
will join with the part of the arab population we have now, who lives primarily off welfare.

You think they will remain here as illegals? Why?

I'm a mathematician, I follow what stats and studies show - which is that the vast majority who claim legal residency are far less likely to receive or claim welfare. i.huffpost.com...

The article makes the unfounded claims and assumptions that the vast majority will just sponge and self-segregate; which is the polar opposite of what scientific studies of the last 15 years have shown.

you mean illegals like these? Every single day there are reports of people caught in lorries coming from Calais. They are coming into the UK illegally. The obvious thing to do would be to then deport them but that doesn't happen. A lot of immigrants know how to play the system so they then say they want to seek asylum. A lot get rid of their passports and papers so it is not so easy to return them when country of origin isn't known. There is a massive backlog of asylum applications and so in the meantime whilst they are waiting for a decision they get paid £5 a day or £35 a week, plus accommodation, plus meals. www.dailymail.co.uk... eek-days-arrival.html

Which is why there is then nearly nightly scenes like this at Calais www.facebook.com... reply to: bastion

www.dailymail.co.uk... rt.html

And all of this is especially frightening when you see headlines like these that an ISIS fighter is hiding in Calais:

www.folkestoneherald.co.uk...

originally posted by: bastion
It's a load of nonsense, as per usual, from Gatestone - how exactly do 'illegal immigraints' 'live off the welfare state'? The 'journalist' hasn't even done basic research, he just relies on myths to promote fear and hatred which undermines the genuine issues Europe may face from mass immigration.

I believe the article is written by a Scandanavian journalist researcher, so I do not believe that that the information could possibly be dubious or of ill natured intent.. people are genuinely concerned about the enourmous influx of migrants to the eu and more particularly to Germany and Sweden, so I would suggest we refrain from making these apologetic comments in defense of this sordid influx when the truth of the matter is that there is a genuine authentic threat to european nations of the arrival of these displaced persons who have are yet to considered genuine cases of true persecuted asylum seekers.

perhaps worth showing more up to date stats. These go from 2001 and 2011. Things have got a whole lot worse this past 4 years.a reply to: bastion

originally posted by: angryhulk
Before long I will be a foreigner in my own country.

They aren't going to take over, not in the UK anyway, we've got the Channel to keep them out which has worked for a thousand years. To be honest the whole muslims taking over is an illusion. They seem to be many but this is exaggerated in the cities, as your taxi or fast food (cash in hand/no tax to be paid) will usually be operated by them. Get out of the major cities and I'll bet you don't see a single muslim. We are safe here in the UK, but you do wonder about Europe to be fair.

I found these stats www.paneuropeannetworks.com... but I am not a mathematician so I was left a little confused. They are from 2014 and little bit more up to date than yours. You might be able to explain what the stats actually show. I'm not altogether sure whether people from non-EU countries are more likely to be unemployed so it would be interesting to know. However, in the UK even when people are working they are still entitled to many benefits including working tax credits, child tax credits (which is being cut to 2 children now because a lot of people both British and non-British have had big families and been entitled to more) child care, housing benefit etca reply to: anxiouswens

originally posted by: tony9802

originally posted by: bastion
It's a load of nonsense, as per usual, from Gatestone - how exactly do 'illegal immigraints' 'live off the welfare state'? The 'journalist' hasn't even done basic research, he just relies on myths to promote fear and hatred which undermines the genuine issues Europe may face from mass immigration.

I believe the article is written by a Scandanavian journalist researcher, so I do not believe that that the information could possibly be dubious or of ill natured intent.. people are genuinely concerned about the enourmous influx of migrants to the eu and more particularly to Germany and Sweden, so I would suggest we refrain from making these apologetic comments in defense of this sordid influx when the truth of the matter is that there is a genuine authentic threat to european nations of the arrival of these displaced persons who have are yet to considered genuine cases of true persecuted asylum seekers.

Click on his name on the site to reveal prior articles he's written. Every one is an anti-Islamic opinion piece. Even the headline of the article claims it's a 'muslim invasion', which is a deliberately provocative wording as immigration is not an invasion and they're not all Muslim, let alone Shia or Sunni. The entire article is a based on inventing a load of worst case scenarios that have little to no basis in reality.

I fully agree there are genuine concerns to be had - however they are not to be found on neo-conservative sites like gatestone, express or mail; which have been time and time been caught again printing lies and have a self confessed bias due to their nature as 'viewspapers' not 'journals or publications'.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
I found these stats www.paneuropeannetworks.com... but I am not a mathematician so I was left a little confused. They are from 2014 and little bit more up to date than yours. You might be able to explain what the stats actually show. I'm not altogether sure whether people from non-EU countries are more likely to be unemployed so it would be interesting to know. However, in the UK even when people are working they are still entitled to many benefits including working tax credits, child tax credits (which is being cut to 2 children now because a lot of people both British and non-British have had big families and been entitled to more) child care, housing benefit etca reply to: anxiouswens

Thanks, curently trying to dig up the original Eurostat paper as without methodology and full set of results, there isn't enough information provided to tell whether the article is an accurate representation of the paper or not as stats are so open to abuse.

oh I agree we have got the tunnel to separate from us Europe but it isn't being protected like it should be is it? What you are also not taking into consideration is that we are part of the EU still. If we remain part of the EU at some point Germany and other European Countries will give these immigrants citizenship status, they will then be free to come over to UK and there will be nothing we can do to stop it. Does that not concern you? Presently, however I agree Europe are the ones who have the massive problem and burden and I think it is unfair that a lot of these European Countries didn't even ask or what this. This has been bought about by Germany opening their doors to the world and people have heard their calls. Don't forget Merkel has now gone one step further is trying to do deals with the Turks, what if they get visas? They too will be free to move around Europea reply to: ufoorbhunter

I am more concerned about the comments I put in my post taken from that article. I could have taken those comments from any other media as they are widely publicised, for instance only 25% are genuine refugees from Syria, they are mainly muslim, they are mainly fit young men, ISIS have said they were going to infiltrate real refugees etc. Whether you agree with the article or not, it brings up many points that have been appeared already on ATS.a reply to: bastion

to just back up what the article says here are the official figures from the EU ec.europa.eu... reply to: bastion

I found this to be very enlightening and a kind an I told ya so moment getting ready to happen. . . .

originally posted by: anxiouswens
at some point Germany and other European Countries will give these immigrants citizenship status, they will then be free to come over to UK and there will be nothing we can do to stop it. Does that not concern you? [/post]

Yeah know where you are coming from. Maybe it's just inevitable that we will be swamped by asian and african hordes. There is no answer really, in some ways is this not divine intervention for the whole of Europe's complicity/look the other way while European jewry was destroyed. Political correctness will always win the day in Europe because of that period in years gone by. Maybe we should all now be punished by God above for not bombing the railway lines to the death camps. Best bet get over to Australia or America somehow.................... Maybe our cousins over there saw this coming.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
I am more concerned about the comments I put in my post taken from that article. I could have taken those comments from any other media as they are widely publicised, for instance only 25% are genuine refugees from Syria, they are mainly muslim, they are mainly fit young men, ISIS have said they were going to infiltrate real refugees etc. Whether you agree with the article or not, it brings up many points that have been appeared already on ATS.a reply to: bastion

This is part of the problem - just because something is widely publicised does not mean it's true.

It is a fair assumption that they're predominantly male, muslim and indeed ISIS have claimed they wish to infiltrate.

However do you honestly think that journalists were sent to interview every immigrant to determine whether they were genuine or not, dicing with death interviewing ISIS members and were fortunate enough to come up with the perfectly rounded figure that only a quarter are legitimate.

Or do you think it's more likely that they just plucked any random number out of thin air to tie a bow around the article(s).

A brief look at UN figures shows the articles are way off the mark with over 90% of sea arrivals having fled warzones: data.unhcr.org...

a reply to: bastion

which studies? Thank you.

a reply to: bastion

its not an assumption. It is the UNs own numbers. 72% male.

This is an article from the Telegraph relating to ISIS infiltrating refugees, this article also relates to a Syrian network in France www.theguardian.com... Refugees have also voiced their concerns about christians being thrown overboard by radicals www.theguardian.com... I've used the Guardian because definitely not far right propagandareply to: bastion

These are official EU figures!!! Are you arguing the official figures of the EU are right winged propaganda now?a reply to: bastion