PRISM, PROMIS, Politics, and Pia -- the mummified woman found dead in Pontiac, Michigan

originally posted by: mike dangerously
The Octopus has tentacles in Operation Paperclip as well.

I'd love to hear more about this!

a reply to: MotherMayEye


According to Michael Riconosciuto many of the operatives involved in the Inslaw affair and the various other black ops that make up this mess were part of Operation Paperclip through the Office Of Naval Intelligence they brought Nazi Scientists in as well.This lead to a Spook War between a CIA group called Aquarius and a Naval Intelligence group called Com-12.Riconoscisuto claims that Com-12 were "almost mystical" good guys.Aquarius is said to have origins that lay with MJ-12 and the Roswell crash their main project in the 90's was the elimination of 2/3rds of the world's population upon completion of the human gnome project.Com-12/ONI are said to be trying to save constitutional government while Aquarius/CIA is a NAZI cabal in the government aligned with otherworldly Aryans.


PS:I told you this rabbit hole goes far deeper then you think.

a reply to: mike dangerously

So it does! I sent you a heartfelt thanks in a PM!

a reply to: MotherMayEye


I got it. *respectful bow* I have been following The Octopus since high school all from a quick little report about Danny's death set it in motion.

Well, that was all very exciting. Now what?

No posts in the thread for several days now. Is nobody keen to solve this mystery? Surely this is just the kind of topic the razor intellects of ATS are assembled to solve?

The OP alleges electoral fraud, secret collusion between government and business, the destabilization of foreign economies through bank fraud, secret cabals running the US Democratic Party and the government itself, and -- last but by no means least -- murder.

(Oops. Almost forgot cruelty to animals, a truly heinous crime. What was I thinking?)

Yet everyone seems content to go 'Ooh woo gosh gee' and leave it at that.

If any of you genuinely believe these crimes have been committed, you have a duty to expose them and bring the perpetrators to justice. If the criminals have so infiltrated and corrupted the establishment as to be able to prevent this, then it your duty to mobilise your fellow-citizens and overthrow the establishment.

Seriously.

Instead, it seems as if most of you are using this to entertain yourselves and reinforce your belief in conspiracy theories.

I asked earlier what it would take to have the investigation into this woman's death reopened. No-one really wanted to discuss it. The fact is that no-one here really wants that to happen. Might just spoil the fantasy with too much reality, eh?

The fortunes of this thread (so far) completely bear out my own suspicion that all conspiracy theories are false, fabricated as popular entertainment or (for some) a convenient excuse for their own failures in life.

Prove me wrong.

a reply to: Astyanax

I am with you. If you want to help, I will brainstorm with you. Maybe if two people contacted the investigators and urged them to do a serious investigation?

I appreciate that you took this thread seriously!


EDIT: Here is a link to my blog, BTW, if you want to contact me there -- I check in there more regularly than ATS. I have a post on Pia there, too: Political Dirty Tricksters

In fact, if anyone else wants to help follow up on this, please feel free to contact me. There's power in numbers!

Or perhaps you didn't and I am misreading your skepticism for frustration that people aren't active in resolving the injustices they see.

Either way, I appreciate the sentiment that people need to get active if anything is going to get done.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I am with you. If you want to help, I will brainstorm with you. Maybe if two people contacted the investigators and urged them to do a serious investigation?

I'm afraid that wouldn't do, particularly since I am neither a citizen of, nor resident in, the United States of America.

But even if I were a US citizen, the only thing that would persuade the authorities to reopen the investigation is evidence of foul play in the woman's death. Of which there is none, I fear — at least not on this thread, or in the sources linked to it.

Do you have any ideas about how new evidence might be found? One way might be to investigate the accounts of the company she worked for, looking for evidence of creative accounting, unexplained movements of funds, etc. I imagine you would need a subpeona for that.

You need to impress, and interest, an investigative journalist connected to some real media muscle. Any ideas?

a reply to: Astyanax

A detroit news station asked for ideas on what to ask investigators:

"What would you like MLive to ask investigators about this case? Please let us know in the comment section below."

Link

So I emailed them, and of course I received no response. I briefly described why the vote cast under her name was important considering where she worked and why.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Well, it's Detroit. A city far from New York, with troubles of its own.

You need to interest a NY organisation.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Well, it's Detroit. A city far from New York, with troubles of its own.

You need to interest a NY organisation.

I'm not following. Pia lived and died in Pontiac, Michigan. Or is there another reason you're thinking New York?

originally posted by: Astyanax
Do you have any ideas about how new evidence might be found? One way might be to investigate the accounts of the company she worked for, looking for evidence of creative accounting, unexplained movements of funds, etc. I imagine you would need a subpeona for that.

You need to impress, and interest, an investigative journalist connected to some real media muscle. Any ideas?

Also, I think it's reasonable to demand evidence that Pia's fraudulent vote was a clerical error. That's the best lead.

Maybe an open records request to Michigan election officials? I'm going to look into their state open records law. They are typically modeled after the FOIA.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I just read this entire thread. I hadn't seen it before today as I was off the site for many days last month. Fascinating stuff and exactly what gets my juices flowing. S&F and "many thanks".

But, alas, I have become a bit cynical these days about so-called investigative journalists. They are on the verge of going extinct and being replaced by vapid quick sensational soundbite blurbs.

There would have to be a monetary incentive for them to thoroughly investigate something as complicated and time-consuming as this investigation would be. That is sad to say, but true.

The other thing is the fear that if you get too close to the truth, chances are you, too, might go missing or get Breitbarted in some way.

Also, you have to wonder how infiltrated our system is. Ex: Who, in Michigan, put the stop on looking further into the voter clue? You can have information all day long, but unless the powers that be allow that information to be investigated, you are dead in the water. The tentacles are everywhere it seems.

originally posted by: queenofswords
But, alas, I have become a bit cynical these days about so-called investigative journalists. They are on the verge of going extinct and being replaced by vapid quick sensational soundbite blurbs...

...Also, you have to wonder how infiltrated our system is. Ex: Who, in Michigan, put the stop on looking further into the voter clue? You can have information all day long, but unless the powers that be allow that information to be investigated, you are dead in the water. The tentacles are everywhere it seems.

I am a cynic, like you. I can't beat my head against a wall when it is clear those who can do an investigation are unwilling to -- whether they are journalists or law enforcement.

I am willing to put my money where my mouth is though and at least reach out, but I can see the door is closed on this and won't be opening.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

An American news hub. You need to get this nationwide.

I have no doubt that Pia's murder is somehow connected to the various other deaths and so-called suicides that surround this case.Like I have said to everyone who has taken a look this it does not get anymore murky and shady than the INSLAW/Octopus scandal.

I feel the mail thing is very important. Clearly she did not get her mail and throw it into the vehicle for two years. There was further unopened mail in the house.

About 200 pieces of unopened mail were scattered inside the SUV postmarked from 2005 to 2007.

I would place her death at 2005 and consider that she was replaced by a lookalike for a time. Perhaps the corpse was kept in case they needed teeth, prints or tissue. She was known to be a neat person she did not leave the mail in the vehicle.

However, police did find the floors littered with empty bottles of soda, yet more unopened letters, loose clothing and trash.

Someone else was staying inside the house at some point and getting the mail and messing up the house. later it seems they stopped picking up the mail.

Bills and letters would stack up in Farrenkopf’s mailbox and then be returned to the post office unclaimed, a letter carried told the U.S. Postal Inspector in 2014.

Everything points to her being dead 2005
Examples

1. Property sued Pia in 2005 for breaking her lease,
2. Credit card companies also launched three lawsuits against her over unpaid bills between 2005 and 2007
3. Though it was often unclear where Pia was, she wasn’t always shut in her home. Police checked on her house in 2005, after neighbors told them that they had not seen her in a month.

The police took the pets in 2005 when they checked on her home and yet did not find her in the garage thus she was not there at that time, who ever used to get the mail and drove her car and took her place must have retrieved her body and place it there later.

Inside, they rescued her abandoned cat, Bungie, and white poodle, Baby. However, while the pets were kept in a shelter and Baby was later adopted, there’s no record that Pia ever came to collect them.

The cash in her pocket could possibly suggest that she was going to run and was stopped.

So this WAS NOT her and yet I would assume the vehicle was the same they later found her in.

Then in May 2008, Pia resigned from her job, under unclear circumstances, and in October of the same year she was cited for driving with a suspended license, expired plates and no insurance.

If someone took her place they were not coming and going from her house or someone would have seen her and though she was still there while the neighbors last saw her 2005 and reported her missing.

The only other and possible explanation beside a look alike replacement would be that the persons at work lied about her being there and quitting "May 2008, Pia resigned from her job, under unclear circumstances".

She wanted out by 2003

In preparation for opening her business, Pia and her sister Jean, who managed a Curves location in Massachusetts, traveled to Texas in 2003, where the two attended a two-week seminar on health.

Very far out idea but what if the reason for the mummified remains is to throw off the fact that she is not dead at all but one of the many missing who were "very good' at something the powers need and has disappeared into the black realms still doing her job.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

I have found the truth is often more far out than I imagined.

The input in both of your comments is much appreciated...thanks!

Amazing thread, fascinating indeed!

Agreed!

2) Why did anyone went through the trouble of keeping the externals of the house clean enough so no one would suspect she was gone (and almost going back to #1) and just leave her dead body "findable". It's almost sick.

No one kept the house up.
"Neighbors said they helped clear the driveway and mow the lawn while they believed Farrenkopf was still in the home, though many eventually moved away."

3) If she was dead for so long, how come that her animals were still alive, even if they looked abandoned? That is so incoherent! Anyone who has a pet knows that pets that has zero contact with a human being for too long would probably turn into a beast, react somehow or die. But no, they resisted for many years with little to no food, or vet care. Were they just "baby/young pets" when she was alive? After all 5 years is a long time for the vast majority of pets to live, especially if unattended. This pet story just doesn't add up at all. Something is so wrong here.

The pets were removed "rescued" from the house when police were called by neighbors having not seen her in a month in 2005.

4) If Pia's family say she would stay months out of reach, that's one thing, but years? I mean, no Christmas cards or pictures, no vacation visits, no funerals or weddings, no Thanksgiving, no skype, no dinners, no boyfriends? Nothing? So the woman is gone for 5 years and the family goes "oh, she just works a lot". Nope. This isn't the reaction of any family I know. They didn't even care to send the police after the first year? It also doesn't add up.

Big Families of nine are sometimes like this I have a sister I have not heard from in 20 years and can find no information on where she moved.

She was seen as friendly but clearly burned bridges easily."Strack recalls how easily Pia could cut people out of her life".

She traveled the world "postcard or call would come from a far-flung place like Austria" making another reason not to hear from her often. This would also affect any friendships, people would be used to her being abroad, they don't mention any friends that she had at the time of her death I would say she no current friends to miss her.

5) How about her health? Doctor's appointments, health insurance, Dental records, Rx prescriptions? She was that healthy for 5 years huh?

This could mean something but I myself have not seen a Dr of any kind for 10 years so may not.

6) I can't go now looking for the quote that says "they found no finger prints". Does that mean, they didn't find any other fingerprints but hers, or no fingerprint at all? It makes a whole lot difference doesn't it?

From the article "Investigators couldn’t find any fingerprint on the bottle.

I looked it up fingerprints disappear with time actually very quickly.
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