PRISM, PROMIS, Politics, and Pia -- the mummified woman found dead in Pontiac, Michigan

originally posted by: StoutBroux

No doubt their is a connection between Pia and Cecil, but I'm not feeling like he personally had something to do with her murder. The man seemed of good character, well loved. Also, he was 71 years old in 2008 (born in 1937) so what could it possibly have benefited him? I guess I don't see motivation here.

Also, as to motivation, perhaps Pia knew something that could damage the image Obama painted of himself, in 2008, if it got out (and others). If she had a falling out with her boss, perhaps someone felt she could no longer be trusted to keep quiet.

a reply to: StoutBroux

AND...since you are into reading Cecil's website, you will find there is also an interesting connection to the man once reported to have helped Obama get into Harvard: Khalid al-Mansour. As Percy Sutton once reported, Khalid al-Mansour was advisor to Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud -- he's pictured here along with Cecil's son-in-law, Abdullah Al Ahmadi -- married to Cecil's daughter Deborah (Layla):


Formerly found here: /www.kingdom.com.sa/EN/MC_PR_NewsDetails.asp?p=3&z=24&ID=377

This page is gone now, too. But I saved the pic when I came across it a few years ago.

Well, here we have the liberal left (Obama and Clintons) and someone will still blame Bush for something!!! So, my question is, when will the liberal left stop supporting these idiots? Answer: when someone else gives them more things for free! Maybe Bernie will have an epiphany!!!

originally posted by: daveinats
Well, here we have the liberal left (Obama and Clintons) and someone will still blame Bush for something!!! So, my question is, when will the liberal left stop supporting these idiots? Answer: when someone else gives them more things for free! Maybe Bernie will have an epiphany!!!

What does this have to do with Pia other than political trolling?

a reply to: Malynn

I don't really think they killed Pia just to keep her from blowing whissles.

Someone went through a lot of work that simply doesn't add up.
Let me see if I can make some sense from what I read here (I didn't make any research about it but I will, anyways if you don't mind me reasoning a few things just from the posts I read here)

Assuming someone killed the woman (we don't have that proved just yet, do we?), here are my major doubts:

1) Why didn't they get rid of her body? Why just leave her in her own car in the garage? I mean one of two things: they either expected someone to find her body in the car and rule suicide or, if they planned to use her "records" to somehow fake her voting and cashing her money, they should have gotten rid of her body. It doesn't make any sense to me to leave here dead body in such a way she could be found any time, and still use her name like if she were alive (not sure I made this point clear enough)

2) Why did anyone went through the trouble of keeping the externals of the house clean enough so no one would suspect she was gone (and almost going back to #1) and just leave her dead body "findable". It's almost sick.

3) If she was dead for so long, how come that her animals were still alive, even if they looked abandoned? That is so incoherent! Anyone who has a pet knows that pets that has zero contact with a human being for too long would probably turn into a beast, react somehow or die. But no, they resisted for many years with little to no food, or vet care. Were they just "baby/young pets" when she was alive? After all 5 years is a long time for the vast majority of pets to live, especially if unattended. This pet story just doesn't add up at all. Something is so wrong here.

4) If Pia's family say she would stay months out of reach, that's one thing, but years? I mean, no Christmas cards or pictures, no vaccation visits, no funerals or weddings, no Thanksgiving, no skype, no dinners, no boyfriends? Nothing? So the woman is gone for 5 years and the family goes "oh, she just works a lot". Nope. This isn't the reaction of any family I know. They didn't even care to send the police after the first year? It also doesn't add up.

5) How about her health? Doctor's appointments, health insurance, Dental records, Rx prescriptions? She was that healthy for 5 years huh?

6) I can't go now looking for the quote that says "they found no finger prints". Does that mean, they didn't find any other fingerprints but hers, or no fingerprint at all? It makes a whole lot difference doesn't it?


Now, since nothing presented in Pia's case make sense, that would suggest me that her killer(s) (again, we don't know for sure. We are presuming she was killed), is a careless professional, and the responsibles are still mocking the society, laughing at us saying "who cares what they think, we are beyond reach"... and I trust ASTers have a good feeling as to who "they" are.




Amazing thread, fascinating indeed!

originally posted by: tsctsc

1) Why didn't they get rid of her body? Why just leave her in her own car in the garage? I mean one of two things: they either expected someone to find her body in the car and rule suicide or, if they planned to use her "records" to somehow fake her voting and cashing her money, they should have gotten rid of her body. It doesn't make any sense to me to leave here dead body in such a way she could be found any time, and still use her name like if she were alive (not sure I made this point clear enough)

Yes, I agree there is some reason they left her. Could mean a few things -- as you pointed out.

2) Why did anyone went through the trouble of keeping the externals of the house clean enough so no one would suspect she was gone (and almost going back to #1) and just leave her dead body "findable". It's almost sick.

Very sick. It seems orchestrated to make sure no one would find her for a good long time.

3) If she was dead for so long, how come that her animals were still alive, even if they looked abandoned? That is so incoherent! Anyone who has a pet knows that pets that has zero contact with a human being for too long would probably turn into a beast, react somehow or die. But no, they resisted for many years with little to no food, or vet care. Were they just "baby/young pets" when she was alive? After all 5 years is a long time for the vast majority of pets to live, especially if unattended. This pet story just doesn't add up at all. Something is so wrong here.

Haven't looked into the pets too much. Will have to go back and read when I have a chance!

4) If Pia's family say she would stay months out of reach, that's one thing, but years? I mean, no Christmas cards or pictures, no vaccation visits, no funerals or weddings, no Thanksgiving, no skype, no dinners, no boyfriends? Nothing? So the woman is gone for 5 years and the family goes "oh, she just works a lot". Nope. This isn't the reaction of any family I know. They didn't even care to send the police after the first year? It also doesn't add up.

This was reported in July of 2014:

"She socialized with friends and coworkers from her job at Alltel, a financial software company that contracted with now-defunct Chrysler financial, according to friend and co-worker Brian Hicks, 38, of Utah. Hicks said she had multiple boyfriends during the time he worked with her, from 1999 to 2003. He went on a ski trip to Boyne Mountain with Farrenkopf and a boyfriend in 2000."

Link

5) How about her health? Doctor's appointments, health insurance, Dental records, Rx prescriptions? She was that healthy for 5 years huh?

No dental records. Her body was ID'd using DNA from a bone marrow donor database (if I recall correctly). She was a drinker and a smoker, overweight, too. She could have died from natural causes, of course. Yet, her family believes she was in fear for her life and murdered.

6) I can't go now looking for the quote that says "they found no finger prints". Does that mean, they didn't find any other fingerprints but hers, or no fingerprint at all? It makes a whole lot difference doesn't it?

Everything I've read said there were no fingerprints, at all, on the wine bottle.

Amazing thread, fascinating indeed!

Thanks!

a reply to: MotherMayEye

It's horrifying that the best and only lead could be swept under the rug as a 'possible' clerical error by election officials without any evidence, at all.

That would not happen in any other unexplained death.

It's clear we will never be told the truth about voter fraud. I will no longer accept the argument that studies show voter fraud is not a real problem. Anyone who buys that claim based on the studies (which are typically funded with government grants) needs to read this post.

Great work, OP!

What would it take to have the investigation reopened?

a reply to: Astyanax

great question!

originally posted by: Astyanax
What would it take to have the investigation reopened?

I imagine the best way would be through her family. Her niece set up a Facebook page right after her body was found, but I noticed it has since been removed.

I hope there's an innocent explanation for that.

If anyone has ideas, I would love to hear them.

Also, Pia's client at the time she left her job was Chrysler Financial -- and they went bankrupt in April 2009.

I wonder if there is some connection to Obama's auto bailouts?

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

2) Why did anyone went through the trouble of keeping the externals of the house clean enough so no one would suspect she was gone (and almost going back to #1) and just leave her dead body "findable". It's almost sick.

Very sick. It seems orchestrated to make sure no one would find her for a good long time.

That's where I am having trouble to accept: if they wanted to make sure no one would find her, why didn't they just get rid of the body and pretend she moved out?
It seems no one in the neighborhood would notice for that matter.

4) If Pia's family say she would stay months out of reach, that's one thing, but years? I mean, no Christmas cards or pictures, no vaccation visits, no funerals or weddings, no Thanksgiving, no skype, no dinners, no boyfriends? Nothing? So the woman is gone for 5 years and the family goes "oh, she just works a lot". Nope. This isn't the reaction of any family I know. They didn't even care to send the police after the first year? It also doesn't add up.

This was reported in July of 2014:

"She socialized with friends and coworkers from her job at Alltel, a financial software company that contracted with now-defunct Chrysler financial, according to friend and co-worker Brian Hicks, 38, of Utah. Hicks said she had multiple boyfriends during the time he worked with her, from 1999 to 2003. He went on a ski trip to Boyne Mountain with Farrenkopf and a boyfriend in 2000."

Link

And yet nobody seemed to miss her... for 5 years! No friend, boyfriend, ex-boyfriend, or any family members.
No one cared she just vanished from the face of the earth (although theoretically she lived in the same house).
For someone who is "fun to be with" she was forgotten pretty quick, don't you say?


And

5) How about her health? Doctor's appointments, health insurance, Dental records, Rx prescriptions? She was that healthy for 5 years huh?

No dental records. Her body was ID'd using DNA from a bone marrow donor database (if I recall correctly). She was a drinker and a smoker, overweight, too. She could have died from natural causes, of course. Yet, her family believes she was in fear for her life and murdered.

There is the other point I simply can't take it:
her family - the very ones who didn't bother to know her whereabouts for 5 long years - "believes she was in fear for her life and murdered".... how in heck did they know that???? They didn't even know she has been dead for 5 years!!!

And (for the sake of benefit of the doubt) let's assume she made some contact right before she died, and told them she felt threatened, why after few weeks with no contact, didn't they stop at her place to check her out (or sent the police over), just to make sure she was doing well?

I hope this question here raises a lot of eyebrows, because this sounds either a "staged family" or someone in the family knows the truth and is lying big time.

As for her dental records, DNA stuff and health care... smoker, drinker, overweighted, and she never ever had a cavity that would allow her dental recognition?
Can't buy that one too, can you?

6) I can't go now looking for the quote that says "they found no finger prints". Does that mean, they didn't find any other fingerprints but hers, or no fingerprint at all? It makes a whole lot difference doesn't it?

Everything I've read said there were no fingerprints, at all, on the wine bottle.

Ok, so we have a wine bottle that was never manipulated by anybody right beside a 5-year-long dead body in a car in a garage.
And suicide or natural causes are still on the table?

Whew...

If you don't mind my saying but: when things are too complicated, is because they are really simple. I don't want to say what slowly is coming to my mind because it will be premature, but here is my very very humble suggestion as to the continuation of your investigation: don't chase shadows, meaning, it seems that there is a lot of misleading info and smoke curtains raised with the purpose of making you stop to ask and answer questions that are fruitless. Pass by the indignation and look objectively. I explain it better with the following:

Forget forensics - the "why they didn't" will not take anybody anywhere. It's obvious why "they didn't". Just take whatever is available, and if there is anything at all that makes sense, grab it and go from there.
Forget her family and friends explanations - all they will do is to lead you to dead ends (pun unintended).
Forget the "file erase" thing. I really don't think she was a file erase case. IMHO she is a distraction. "They" made her case so puzzling in such a way that people with more investigative traits (the types who love challenges) would waste time trying to solve it instead of going after the "real deal".

Of course, it still seems that it all is connected somehow to PRISM, PROMIS, the Clintons, Bushes and Obamas. And this is the main clue. I believe you are right about your supicions as to the shadow government and its intentions.

It takes a long time to gather so much information, and it's worse when you have to connect points that may be very far apart.



PS: Just for brainstorming purposes (and I may be going way too far on this, but...) :
Isn't it interesting how the "technician" who went abroad some 30 years ago to install the software, have been in the countries which are at the core of the latest economic problems we are facing? Greece (which is the fuse to dismantle the Euro), and Saudi Arabia (whose crude oil price fall is causing a domino effect around the world)?

I don't know...

originally posted by: tsctsc

PS: Just for brainstorming purposes (and I may be going way too far on this, but...) :
Isn't it interesting how the "technician" who went abroad some 30 years ago to install the software, have been in the countries which are at the core of the latest economic problems we are facing? Greece (which is the fuse to dismantle the Euro), and Saudi Arabia (whose crude oil price fall is causing a domino effect around the world)?

I don't know...

I am with you on it all. Your last point (above) is one that struck me, too. I don't think you went too far. Incredible coincidences in terms of the global economy. There's just so much connected to this story, it's hard to grasp it all before throwing out ideas. Throw them out! I'll listen.

Also, the men I mentioned in the post with the Saudi's at the top of Page 3 are closely linked with the BCCI (Bank of Credit & Commerce International) scandals in the late 80s/early 90s, too.

originally posted by: tsctsc
IMHO she is a distraction. "They" made her case so puzzling in such a way that people with more investigative traits (the types who love challenges) would waste time trying to solve it instead of going after the "real deal".

It's sad, but no one seems to have paid any real attention to this case. Michigan election officials said her vote was probably an error and from the comments I read, people just accept it as fact and move on.

I read the lead investigator said that this vote anomaly needed to be followed up on, but then no follow up info has ever been offered. I get the sick feeling that a real investigation was nipped in the bud.

PS: Just for brainstorming purposes (and I may be going way too far on this, but...) :
Isn't it interesting how the "technician" who went abroad some 30 years ago to install the software, have been in the countries which are at the core of the latest economic problems we are facing? Greece (which is the fuse to dismantle the Euro), and Saudi Arabia (whose crude oil price fall is causing a domino effect around the world)?

My thoughts exactly!

Fascinating thready BTW. This is the kind of thing that would make me look over my shoulder more than I already do if I were to start digging on.

I bet all kinds of scary skeletons would rattle out if you were to start opening closet doors...

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
I bet all kinds of scary skeletons would rattle out if you were to start opening closet doors...

Ha! And that brings me to yet another point about Cecil Goeldner. He had a private pilot's license and is connected to PROMIS through Systematics, Inc.

I wonder if Cecil ever flew out of Mena, Arkansas.

Obstruction of Justice: The Mena Connection

It's all a very complex, twisted web. Something really frightening is going on with the federal government.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Wonderful with People as Yourself researching this kind of Information Maybe at some Point in Time
We The People can Take back The Country that is Rightfully OURS.
Very well Done.

We need More like Yourself so We can get to the Bottom of all this Treachery.
We have been Fed LIES for Way,Way too long.

This is Our Country and We Need to Take it Back.

EXCELLENT

originally posted by: bluesman462002
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Wonderful with People as Yourself researching this kind of Information Maybe at some Point in Time
We The People can Take back The Country that is Rightfully OURS.
Very well Done.

We need More like Yourself so We can get to the Bottom of all this Treachery.
We have been Fed LIES for Way,Way too long.

This is Our Country and We Need to Take it Back.

EXCELLENT

Thanks! I'm glad this story resonated with you and I completely echo what you said.

We can't count on any oversight from the media, law enforcement, and there's no oversight in the federal government. It's up to us.

Thanks again, I really, really appreciated your comment.

originally posted by: tsctsc

I don't really think they killed Pia just to keep her from blowing whissles.

I have gone back to this quote in my mind a couple of times today:

(Virginia Dunham) Goeldner said she told only a few close friends about her nephew, for fear that someone might do something that would hurt his chances to get elected.

They were concerned about someone doing something to hurt Obama's chances to get elected. What could a 70 year old couple from Maumelle, Arkansas, be so worried about?

It seems obvious to me why Virginia made this statement.