PRISM, PROMIS, Politics, and Pia -- the mummified woman found dead in Pontiac, Michigan

a reply to: Bridget08

Oh my gosh. I am so sorry about your sister, Paula. But I am glad you found my post. I actually tried to post the connections I noticed on a Facebook page set up for Pia, but the FB page was eventually removed.

I don't believe Pia's death was investigated with any intestinal fortitude nor professionalism. This case is not closed in my mind and will never be until there is a thorough and objective investigation. If there is anything I can do to help bring attention to Pia's death and the need for a criminal investigation, reach out to me. Please private message me if you want my help or support. I am happy to share everything I believe could be important and I am willing work for her cause, too.

originally posted by: Bridget08
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I am Pias sister who loved and miss her dearly I respect what your doing and would like to know what more we can do to figure out who murdered her, thankyou.
-Paula

I really hope you come back to this thread because I do have some thoughts to share and questions I'd like to ask!

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: Astyanax
What would it take to have the investigation reopened?

I imagine the best way would be through her family. Her niece set up a Facebook page right after her body was found, but I noticed it has since been removed.

I hope there's an innocent explanation for that.

If anyone has ideas, I would love to hear them.

Facebook's Zuckerberg is pro-Hillary. Facebook link to the movie "Clinton Cash" has been deleted. See thread.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Ok, that touched of some free-association in my wee little brain.

So much world news focuses on the middle east and associated subjects. Oftentimes South America is forgotten.

But I recall the Nazi-Bush connection and that the Bushes bought large amounts of land in South America and that Nazis are rumored to have fled there.

There is also a good amount of proof that the Bushes and Clintons are very close.

You've shown there is a closer connection between the Obamas and the Clintons than is publicly portrayed.

Looks like nothing so much as a cabal.

I almost forgot, what if the Nazis actually won?

Actually, there was an article by some British journalist who uncovered a link between Prescott Bush (Dubya's grandfather) and a bank funding the Nazis way back in the 1930's.

The link in your post leads to a thread that does NOT do justice to the idea of closet Nazis ruling the world.
Jim Marrs has an excellent book, "The Rise of the Fourth Reich," on this very topic. Joseph P. Farrell goes into it with even more detail with his series of books.

I believe the heart of the NWO Globalist Cabal is comprised of Fascist Elites (banksters & European aristocrats).
They use the Far Left (along with the violent Jihadists) to do their dirty work. A form of Communism, Communitarianism, will be used as the political system to control the NWO Slave Class.

The Fascist Elites will create their own separate world I refer to as "Elysium."

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
Very far out idea but what if the reason for the mummified remains is to throw off the fact that she is not dead at all but one of the many missing who were "very good' at something the powers need and has disappeared into the black realms still doing her job.

Reminds me of Jim Keith's book "Casebook for Alternative 3" -- he mentioned people (gov workers, contractors, scientists, etc.) disappearing forever -- shunted off to work on Black Projects, like the Mars Colonization Project.

Jim Keith died in 1998 at age 49 under strange circumstances.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: SeaWorthy

I don't know if you saw this comment I left on Cecil Goeldner's son-in-law, Abdullah Al Ahmadi: Comment

Khalid-al Mansour was a close advisor to at least two Saudis linked to BCCI.

Yes I saw that great thread...I tried to share that with someone who refused to believe it...happens all the time no one will dig or even look when someone else does. I guess it is too much trouble, we have garbage piled up let's not look maybe we won't fall in and can ignore the stench!

I call it DENIAL. I suspect there are many people who refuse to look at the evidence for conspiracies because it's too frightening. The shock they suffer when they realize they've been lied to by their media, their government. The world is NOT what they've been taught it is. The shock is too much for them.

They would rather pretend that all is well, that good, trustworthy people run the world, and our government cares about us. It's so sad.

It can be pretty lonely when you're the only one in the room who's awake. By "you" I mean the plural "you", the conspiracy "nuts."

I was wondering about the bottle of wine, with some wine still left in it.

After 5 or 6 years, an opened bottle of wine, or anything water based come to that, would have evaporated long ago.

The fact that there was still wine in the bottle is suspect.

originally posted by: AuranVector

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: Astyanax
What would it take to have the investigation reopened?

I imagine the best way would be through her family. Her niece set up a Facebook page right after her body was found, but I noticed it has since been removed.

I hope there's an innocent explanation for that.

If anyone has ideas, I would love to hear them.

Facebook's Zuckerberg is pro-Hillary. Facebook link to the movie "Clinton Cash" has been deleted. See thread.

Ah....

As it turns out, Pia's sister, Paula, found this thread and commented. See her comment here: Link

a reply to: Cygnis

It would shake the world to it's core, should the truth ever become common man's knowledge.

So why do things like this not become the "common man's knowledge"? Seems as if in the last few years, thanks to this newfangled www thingy, we have gotten a lot of truth yet most of it never becomes "common man's knowledge".

Propaganda machines are working quite well. People still think the MSM news is real. People are actively stumping for Trump and Hilary.

That's just the tip of the iceberg. So why is it that a dumbass like myself can see through this charade yet, at least in my dealings with the public, no one else can?

Sorry for the rhetorical questions as there are answers but none of the brainwashed could even understand the questions, let alone understand any of the answers. At least I know I'm brainwashed and am trying to fight against all of the propaganda that has been thrown at my brain all these years.

This story seriously haunts me. I found it crop up, again, looking into other things and requested, again, for a certain Michigan reporter who asked for leads to look into it.

I hate the helpless feeling it gives me, so much.

There is a lead here. And I've yet to see any evidence that anyone has officially/formally looked into it.

I would look into the identification of the body.. For some reason the method of using bone marrow seems fishy to me. What was the reason for her donating bone marrow in the first place? Was it for a family member or someone close to her? If so then there should be ample proof that it was actually her that donated right? As well their should be actual evidence of the DNA tests that proved identity.

This is the area that i would look into first to see if something doesn't fit. If something does seem awry, then I'd start looking at reasons why she or someone else might want to fake her death. It has to be pretty hard to fake someone's death without raising alarms..Having her disappear for a long period of time then providing a mummify with a shady identification process then confusing the situation with a bunch of misleading angles to follow seems like a pretty smart way to do it in my opinion.

I'd think that medical records more than five years old wouldn't be impossible for the right person to forge..

a reply to: Quauhtli

Regards to the bone marrow identification. The reason Pia would have been in the database in the first place would be if she had agreed to become a bone marrow donor; my ex-wife is one and it's a specific database set up for just the purposes of bone marrow transfers.

I do believe that one has to give a sample in order to become a marrow donor and there would be evidence of that on her bones.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

You didn't reply to my post but ATS thinks you did so I got a notification. I had forgotten this "little" bit of the rabbit hole so I'm glad this has been resurrected.

At my local watering hole many think I'm off my rocker when I try and broach subjects like this. A few get it and at least two former military guys, one being a guy who worked at the Pentagon, are totally in agreement with me. They have been there, done that, rode the bull AND bought the t-shirt and those were some very enlightening conversations, to say the least. They have seen the BS and recognize it.

So I KNOW I'm not a crazy person but no one want's to hear it. Oh sure, they will talk about serious stuff all the time but when it gets down to the nitty gritty people are all "LA LA LA LA LA" with their fingers in their ears. Stupid partisan lines and propaganda easily turn people into fools.

Any contact with Pia's sister? I'd so love to hear what she has to say.

a reply to: TheSpanishArcher

I would love to see Pia's sister engage in this conversation.

Pia's family are the only ones that could effectively demand an investigation into leads, like this. At least investigators might feel some sense of responsibility to check it out and report back to the family on what was found.

That would be a great first step.

I was moved that Pia's sister found her way to this thread and took the time to register and comment. I regret not anticipating that her family might find this thread and for failing to let them know there is support here to demand a more exhaustive investigation.

I don't know how to attract press/law enforcement attention to Pia's bizarre death circumstances and her illegal vote, without Pia's family to help support such an endeavor.

This story is more interesting, raw, explosive, etc...than Russia, than deleted classified emails....why don't people care about where this story might lead?

I don't know/understand.

If others don't care about this story, then I don't believe they genuinely care about much...even if they insist they do. Even if they say they care about the Russia/Trump story...even if they say they care about Seth Rich.

THIS story -- the story of Pia Farrenkopf -- is worthy, even if the press isn't selling it.

I personally find solace in knowing some ATSers recognized the story as an important piece of a puzzle...but there's still no justice for Pia.

Justice for Pia is too inconvenient in the current political climate which is dependent on total partisan division.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

To me, this is one of the most important yet underrated threads on the entire site. I was hopeful when Pia's sister posted that perhaps we would be able to help the family in finding closure on this matter and let them know that there are indeed others out here who are interested in seeing that Pia receives justice.

The line from Voltaire and whom is not criticized comes to mind.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
The line from Voltaire and whom is not criticized comes to mind.

Yep.

That is why the story is so hugely important and also why it is completely ignored & unresolved.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Thank you for this thread!

The first thing I did when I joined (and figured out how to navigate, search, etc) was run around and S+F the threads that I felt were worthy. This is one. You have done a wonderful presentation of data, a touching handling of the death of person while still asking tough questions, and have given a look behind the curtain if even for the briefest glimpse.

Anytime "money has gone missing" threads pop up I think of this one. There is a shift in focus that happened from being money centric to not caring any more by the power brokers. I take that to mean, either they don't care, or, they have the keys to store and can get in anytime they want (which I think is the reason).

There has been a tendency to run around complaining about ATS and how it once was. Well, here is the stuff of legendary ATS...

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

It means a lot to be reminded that not everyone needs an official investigation and media attention to legitimize circumstances that speak for themselves.

Thank you...

(Your comment was so sweet, TEOTWAWKIAIFF.)

It’s so crazy that my deep dive to Felix Sater led me to a rabbit hole, well several, which led me to read a book regarding this cabal network termed The Octopus.

The book was around Danny Casolaro’s death and his investigation leading up to his death regarding this “group” or cabal The Octopus. This PROMIS software is important but there are many important pieces here, and if you’re curious how my extensive research on Sater leads to this thread referred to me by @JadedAndCynical start with my thread here on p. 10 but if you get enough time, I recommend reading the entire thread to get the idea of what all of THIS is, and hopefully join the research here or in that thread. Felix Sater

I think this ties into so much of the craziness taking place right now I wish more eyes and brains were looking into it.

A few facts in my thread (or will be added soon) which should be of interest

1. Robert Maxwell and Richard Armitage were two of the individuals listed in a 1985 DOJ document as brokering sale of PROMIS software. Adnan Khashoggi was another.
2. PROMIS software was distributed to banks law enforcement and intelligence agency Es worldwide
3. MOSSAD is alleged to have modified (or Michael Riconosciuto did based on what he explained as his modification to the software) to provide a two-way back door to it
4. Jim Cohen of the House Judiciary Committee said during Inslaw investigation about PROMIS software ability to mask/hide or make money invisible in the international banking systems SWIFT and CHIPS; yes, also possibly voter systems
5. Bill Browder worked for Robert Maxwell, who died a mysterious death on his yacht in 1991, while Browder went to Russia and amassed billions with Hermitage Capital Find before being # out of Russia in 2005; Sergei Magnitsky death led to Browder lobbying Congress to pass Magnitsky Act in 2012 with other countries following suit in successive years
6. Andrei Nekrasov a Russian filmmaker who is publicly anti-Putin decides to make a film regarding Magnitsky as a kind of puff piece but ends up doubting the story. Losing friends along the way, he makes his film an investigative documentary casting serious doubt to Browder’s Magnitsky narrative. Turns out many of the Russian documents were provided and translated by Browder’s firm to U.S. investigators who didn’t do much investigating themselves
7. Infamous 2016 Trump Tower meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya was all about holes in Browder’s story and Natalia’s written testimony is she was trying to meet with anyone who had connections in DC to explain there were holes to Browder’s story which had been based on getting this Act passed by Congress
8. Veselnitskaya and Nekrasov arranged to have the Magnitsky film aired by Newseum in DC the day before or after (I forget) the date of the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting; the film has been banned from playing most everywhere else being deemed Russian propaganda
9. Adnan Khashoggi dies in 2017, around six months after President Trump beat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election
10. Saudi purge in Nov 2017
11. Adnan’s nephews alleged death (no body found) Jamal Khashoggi gives Trump political grief after CIA states witty high likelihood Saudi Arabia was responsible and Trump isn’t as convinced

While these facts don’t make the ties obviously clear, if you review my entire thread you will see how Felix Sater tied to Trump for over a decade and a half who also started off as an asset for the DIA in Moscow (1996-98) also turned states evidence against NY crime families in a $40 million stock pump-and-dump scheme and started cooperating with the FBI signing a cooperation agreement in 1998 with Andrew Weismann. Yes, the Weismann who was on Mueller’s team. Sater also links in the mid-2000s to Kazakhstan where he had built contacts and met the Khrapunovs and Mukhtar Ablyazov in the 2006-07 range, and by 2009 both the Khrapunovs and Ablyazova are fleeing Kazakhstan amid Nursultan Nazarbayev’s government claiming they stole billions from BTA Bank. Recall Uranium One scandal came out of Kazakhstan and it was 2005 when Ablyazov signed the deal which sold the original uranium mining rights to Bill Clinton’s pal, Frank Guistra, of Urasia Energy. It was 2007 during “uranium bubble” when Urasia and Uranium One has their $3 billion reverse merger. It was 2009 when Mukhtar Dzhakishev was arrested in Kazakhstan and jailed as part of the uranium sale controversy, the guy Clinton himself met with in 2005, and again in 2007 in his Chappaqua, NY home prior to the 2007 controversial merger.

I’m not sure what all of these varied dots connect to but there’s definitely a network there in the fog of this, along with organized crime worldwide with links to Bush/Clinton, and pictures of Sater with Bill Clinton, all while ha also working closely with Donald Trump, businessman and billionaire real estate mogul, and an intelligence asset.

It’s hard to look at these dots and think it was a large sting to get this organization and Sater was an asset investigating Trump all that time, because if so, Mueller and team had their big chance and totally blew it. It doesn’t add up.

Meanwhile Trump had a Russian investigation into his campaign leveled at him and Sater was used in numerous articles as a “Russian mobster” and later “Russian mobster informant” when his original ties back to DIA as a military intelligence asset go back over two decades to 1996, being recruited (per Sater) by the now deceased Martin Blane of Blane International Group.

It’s all a tricky and complicated mess, spanning many many years.