Why usually tolerant British people like myself are becoming more intolerant and xenophobic!

a reply to: kosmicjack

It's all in white people's heads, the direct result of conservative propaganda, and reflects upon nothing outside the mind. It's actually all rainbows out there.

a reply to: anxiouswens

Excellent post! It's really hard to add anything to it, except that we have the same going on in Canada and with Trudeau in I expect it will get worse.

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: asen_y2k

originally posted by: grandmakdw
This is a comment without reading the other replies.

I have been saying that fit men should not be allowed
to immigrate with the women, children, and elderly.

They need to stay and defend their homeland
and their homes from ISIS. That is their duty
and they have run from their duty and are
cowards.

No fit man should be allowed to immigrate period,
from a war torn nation, he should be defending
his home, his people and his land, not running
like a dog with it's tail tucked between its legs.

One of the Human Rights guarantee the unity of a family. Your proposal goes against The Fundamental Human Right

That is a bunch of politically correct garbage.

I do not see in wartime a man refusing to defend
his homeland as a human right.
It is cowardly, and behaving like a dog running
with its tail between its legs.

If that were the case during WWII when most
men left there families to fight Hitler
they would not have left and
Hitler would be in power.
Sorry and politically correct excuse for
cowardly behavior.

These fit men who refuse to fight are behaving
like pigs feeding at the trough of plenty, while
the real men who stay and fight are led to the
slaughter because of the cowards.

Many during WW2 fought and many fled, same in Syria, someone is still there doing the fighting right now. If all fled the fighting would have been over.

All these laws and Human Rights are guaranteed for a reason. Because if they can be taken away for a few people today, it can be taken away from you tomorrow. We must never let our fears blind us too the extend that we willingly give up our rights!

originally posted by: kosmicjack
It's so interesting to me that PCness is so ingrained and pervasive that a concerned citizen like this OP cannot even politely and almost apologetically object to the situation on reasonable terms without being called racist or a hater. When you control speech or dialogue, you control the situation. It's positively Orwellian.

Im sure hitler would have supported your statement in order to spout untruth and hypocrisy in an attempt to persecute the Jews, in a polite way of course. Let others spout the hate with vitrol and violence, just stoke the fires.

We brits dont integrate when we emigrate, we don't learn the mother tongue or obide by the existing culture of the place moved to, we form communities and carry on with our britishness where ever we live. Yet we demand others act very different.

The burka comment made by the op in the way it was, was sensationalist to say the least.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
a reply to: uncommittedI didn't write that!!! If you look at what I wrote you will see that on my first post I said what had made me start this post was because I had SEEN this comment in the Independent "SwordOfIslam

We've got our flag ready for 10 Downing Street. When we prevail, you white chicken-sh*ts - who are so brave on a faceless website - will find out how sharp my sword is. Your children and grandchildren will be Muslims". I then went on to say on my second post that I had also seen this comment by the same person:

SwordOfIslam

Muslims - get used to us
.
White people are already a minority in Coventry. In the long run you will be a minority in the UK.

Muslims will run this country and your children and grandchildren will be raised as Muslims (God Willing)

Obey us and we will show you mercy. Otherwise my sword will fall on your white neck."

These comments have obviously been written by someone who follows Islam and who isn't white!!! So it would appear it is he who is making the assumption that true muslims aren't white. You do owe me an apology me thinks!!!!

You have my full apology, however it wasn't clear what you had done there when I read it, didn't show as a follow on from your first post as there was a post in between.

My points about the flag and Alan Hennings still stand though.

reply to: asen_y2k

The OP's point of view is more cultural, a reaction to what they see is a diminishment of the typical social norms and interactions within their own country coinciding with the influx of Muslims. But she would likely feel the same if a bunch of Americans or Russians came in and behaved the same way. It's the behavior, not the people..

But when her objections are shouted down as "racist", it's meant to socially ostracize her and marginalize the viewpoint as more radical or controversial than what it actually is - which is a common sense reaction to the situation.

originally posted by: ProleUK

Im sure hitler would have supported your statement in order to spout untruth and hypocrisy in an attempt to persecute the Jews, in a polite way of course. Let others spout the hate with vitrol and violence, just stoke the fires.

Thanks for providing an example to my point.

originally posted by: anticitizen
completely different culture, therefore they don't belong here.

i may sound harsh, but that's freedom of speech.

That's every country on the planet then, isn't it?

a reply to: kosmicjack

But when her objections are shouted down as "racist", it's meant to socially ostracize her and marginalize the viewpoint as more radical or controversial than what it actually is - which is common sense.

Thank you.

Everything I said in a nutshell.

a reply to: dukeofjive696969I'm sorry this is nothing like Jews etc. I am so sick of hearing this crap. The German Jews in the 1930's hadn't gone around trying to get people to convert to their religion, they hadn't tried to enforce their religious laws on to other religions, they certainly hadn't beheaded people and threatened people from different religions than their own. They were completely innocent and what happened to them was so terrible it is beyond words.

By the same token I wouldn't wish anyone who follows islam harm. Anyone who truly knows me knows how soft hearted I actually am and I would help anyone regardless of what colour, culture, ethnicity they are from. I like good people and I warm to good people. I don't like anything evil or barbaric and I am sorry but it is the fanatical muslims who have given all muslims this bad name. They are just as evil as the Nazis were and just as dangerous and that is why I can't for the life of me understand why we keep pandering to the hatred shouted on our British streets and it is also why I can't understand why we want to bring more of the same in from the middle east. I know there will be many good people within the migrants who are just fleeing for their lives but I also know there will be really dangerous and evil people hiding amongst them and that is what frightens me and I just can't understand why people can't see how dangerous this is. We wouldn't have let German Nazis come to the UK in the Second World War, so why when we have jihadists fighting a holy war whose very goal is to extend their caliphate into Europe are we blindly letting this happen.

Double post.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
a reply to: asen_y2k

The OP's point of view is more cultural, a reaction to what they see is a diminishment of their typical social interactions, coinciding with the influx of Muslims. But she would likely feel the same if a bunch of Americans or Russians came in and behaved the same way. It's the behavior, not the people..

But when her objections are shouted down as "racist", it's meant to socially ostracize her and marginalize the viewpoint as more radical or controversial than what it actually is - which is a common sense reaction to the situation.

What an interesting post - do you think muslims are a race then?

a reply to: ProleUKWhat was sensationalism about saying the truth. I live near a town in Greater Manchester where it is known for having the biggest muslim community within the UK, so then it obviously stands to sense that it is going to stand out more than ever when people are walking round in Burquas and it did stand out because I had been away for years.

a reply to: kosmicjack

I don't see how you can say anyone is trying to ostracise or marginalise the op.

I guess its all about context. Our NHS has more problems with alcohol than a few incidences with Muslims and their culture.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
a reply to: dukeofjive696969I'm sorry this is nothing like Jews etc. I am so sick of hearing this crap. The German Jews in the 1930's hadn't gone around trying to get people to convert to their religion, they hadn't tried to enforce their religious laws on to other religions, they certainly hadn't beheaded people and threatened people from different religions than their own. They were completely innocent and what happened to them was so terrible it is beyond words.

I'm sorry, but I will keep responding to things like this. How many times has a muslim tried to convert you to the faith of Islam? Compare that with the amount of times the Jehova's Witnesses have ever knocked on your door. How many religions in the west have had to resist having laws (I assume you mean Sharia) enforced in their own religion - how many? If you can honestly answer one or more to either question I would be surprised, but maybe it's different in Nottingham.

I agree that the Jewish people were the innocent victims of WW2, but the sad fact is they were also the victims of false stories about their faith suggesting they were effectively practicing dark arts including sacrifice - that's how hatred starts and builds up until a nation of people are convinced it's all true - not that there are some extremists but that all are extremist.

a reply to: uncommittedapology accepted. Thank you. I don't mind people disagreeing with me or the name calling but I do when it is unfounded. It is my fault really I should have used quotation marks I can understand how it was misleading and probably sounded like it was me who was saying it. This was why I wrote the post. I see comments like this all the time and if it was on some far right forum I could understand it slightly but it wasn't it was in the Independent which as you know is quite liberal in its thinking as are the people who comment on there. There were no terrible comments to even warrant this sort of reply and it is frightening to think people who think like this are even living in the UK

a reply to: uncommittedbut with regards to the rhetoric about Jewish people that was propaganda from the far right. The spewing of hatred in London, Bradford, Luton etc by muslim extremists isn't propaganda it is themselves who are bringing the religion of Islam to the forefront in people's minds. The same as ISIS have bought Islam to the World by showing people such as Alan Henning beheaded and by putting their propaganda videos out saying they will turn the meditarranean to red. Its slightly different I would contest.

a reply to: ProleUK

That may well be, it is in most places.

But people are calling the OP racist, or at least insinuating it, for really what amounts to polite protestations of a difficult situation. And, of course, there is at least some reality to the concerns based on influx of refugees flowing into Europe even in just the last few months.

The U.S. experienced a similar phenomenon following hurricane Katrina. The diaspora of people from New Orleans throughout the Southeastern U.S. caused many issues and some towns changed permanently. There were many cultural and socio-economic problems as well as racism. Obviously racism is bad and should be combated but that doesn't diminish the other, very real concerns/issues.

a reply to: anxiouswens
Some of what many are saying is true. It is just not necessarily true for the same reasons.

Take an old lady's advice and stop beating yourself up. I walked that path, and some your words sound almost like an echo.

Accept the fact that most of the people your are trying to reason with, don't really care what you think, what you have personally experienced or who you are.

If you say anything that can be twisted, in any way, that may place Islam in a negative light, you are a threat, and they will either beat you into submission, or drown you out. You don't have to explain yourself to anyone.

You are making the same mistake I, and many like you have made. You have concerns, and you are being made to believe that you are being ridiculous, childish, ignorant, uninformed, are caving into propaganda, or a racist or a xenophobe, if you dare voice them.

I thought if I brought my concerns here, I would be able to receive information from those that think me wrong to be concerned, that I too would see their argument, and at least have the opportunity to understand. I got exactly what you getting now, attacked, accused and dismissed.

It is going exactly as planned. You will find no answers here, except for maybe a little insight into how well constructed the plan is, and how well they control not just the media, but these same boards that we once thought were a gateway to the communication of truth.

It is all a lie. A controlled illusion, a lie.

The only truth is going to be what you see, and what you experience. Don't let anyone tell you what you see and feel are not real. They are determined to make you think, accept, and act according to their plans. I can only encourage you to keep your eyes open, your heart pure, and always listen to your gut.

By in large, fundamentalist Islam is simply not compatible with western free societies. It really isn't any deeper than this...

I'd say for the most part, Western society is pretty accepting of different races, cultures, and religions. I actually enjoy the diversity. However, we also understand that our freedoms are what makes this society unique. These freedoms are counter to Islamic theology.

It gets under our skin when you have people who immigrate willing, but refuse to assimilate at even the most basic level and this is the problem with Islamic immigration.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
I'd say that letting the actions of a few dictate your opinions of the whole is listening to propaganda.

And what exactly are "a few" ?

*If* statistics are to be believed (which I readily take with a good pinch of salt) then approx. 5% to 10% of the world's muslim population are hell-bent on the destruction of Western society.

And depending on your choice of numbers, that's anywhere between 75million and 150million.

That is not *a few* as you put it. Even the lowest number is still as much if not more than the population of the UK.