Single Element Proof The Bible Is BS

We have already built it and it is called CERN!

a reply to: Isurrender73

I would say that for atheists and other similar mockers and scoffers, arguing over it to destroy the moral lessons is precisely the point. Wouldn't you?

And if they can create the seeds of doubt in someone's mind as concerns faith while they are at it, so much the better.

Call it negative proselytizing and have done.

a reply to: TheSorrow

Yes, and of course, those people who were living in the land God had the Israelites drive out with their army? Yeah, they tended to throw their infants into the fire as a sacrifice to their own god. So it's not like they were wonderful, innocent Eloi.

a reply to: ketsuko

The Bible has such great moral lessons too...

Remember when that guy was collecting sticks to make a fire on the Sabbath and they justly consulted the Law of God and righteously stoned him to death. I mean what was that guy thinking? You can't be disrespecting God like that and work on a Saturday, you have to keep the Sabbath holy! Guy totally deserved to be brutally stoned to death and what a great moral lesson for all of us.

And let's not forget when Elisha was surrounded by a bunch of punk kids making fun of him for having a bald head, he cursed them and God sent two she-bears out of the woods to maul forty-two kids to death. Great lesson! You can't just make fun of a prophet of God, they have authority from God to do all sorts of things, those kids totally had it coming!

Great moral lessons in the Bible, man

a reply to: Krazysh0t

So why does it HAVE to be treated as a history book than? Can't we treat it like we treat other books of poetry and fiction?

This is, or should be, the choice/decision of the individual...

a reply to: ketsuko

For sure. Human sacrifice happens all over the world to this very day. In America we call them abortion clinics.

Human sacrifice and murder in general is strictly prohibited in the Bible. Sadly, that has not stopped many from such crimes.

originally posted by: redoubt
a reply to: Krazysh0t




This is, or should be, the choice/decision of the individual...

Based on what reasoning? If a book is full of metaphors so that you can't tell what is and isn't true, why is there EVER a reason to consider it a valid history book?

originally posted by: redoubt
a reply to: Krazysh0t




This is, or should be, the choice/decision of the individual...

Very true. Freedom is always a great solution.

a reply to: Titen-Sxull

Actually, it is.

1. The people of Israel had been rebuked before for abusing God's prophets and otherwise mocking His messengers in 2 Chron. 36:16. This is basically mocking God, and one of things we have been told over and over is that God will not be mocked.

2. The city of Bethel harbored one of Jeroboam's calves and was proud of it which is the source of the scoffing and mocking. So it basically had a false idol thing going on. Something against the basic 10 Commandments (no other gods before God and no false idols).

3. The children were mocking God's chosen prophet Elisha for being bald. Basically, they were mocking him for how he looked (how God made him). Do you make fun of someone for how they look? You might, but would you if they were born with flipper hands and missing a leg and confined to a wheelchair? Most people would consider it tasteless. You know what? So does God.

So yeah, Elisha cursed them, and God acted, but it's not like there was nothing going on to provoke Him.

originally posted by: TheSorrow
a reply to: Shiloh7

Thanks for that thought. I don't agree with much of it. For starters, There are many Biblical examples of people rebelling against the government. The government is not always right even in the Bible. The fiery furnace is one example of that. Christians however do use the passage about rendering to Caesar what is Caesar's as an excuse to ignore God's Commandments and simply obey the government.

Paul is very clear on this subject in Romans 13:

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer.Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For the same reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay all of them their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.

Obviously not all Christians are literalists but there is a large and noisy faction that insist on their literal interpretation of Paul when it comes to homosexuality who completely ignore the above passage.

originally posted by: TheSorrow

originally posted by: redoubt
a reply to: Krazysh0t




This is, or should be, the choice/decision of the individual...

Very true. Freedom is always a great solution.

Just like you should have a freedom to learn science from this book...



Right...

Since when we give kids option what book to study from?? You have your freedom in Sunday school, there you can use any book you want... let's see how that will work...

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: TheSorrow
a reply to: Shiloh7

Thanks for that thought. I don't agree with much of it. For starters, There are many Biblical examples of people rebelling against the government. The government is not always right even in the Bible. The fiery furnace is one example of that. Christians however do use the passage about rendering to Caesar what is Caesar's as an excuse to ignore God's Commandments and simply obey the government.

Paul is very clear on this subject in Romans 13:

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer.Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For the same reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay all of them their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.

Obviously not all Christians are literalists but there is a large and noisy faction that insist on their literal interpretation of Paul when it comes to homosexuality who completely ignore the above passage.

Isn't Paul the very same guy who also is the most blatant in the new testament in his anti-homosexual sentiment and for that reason many who are pro-homosexual tend to tell us that Paul should be disregarded as someone who was never a "true" disciple and that we should only listen to Jesus who never directly taught against homosexuality?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

"Based on what reasoning? If a book is full of metaphors so that you can't tell what is and isn't true, why is there EVER a reason to consider it a valid history book?"

Let me respond with a question: Would you choose to take away the ability/right of any other human being to arrive at their own conclusions and/or opinions?

a reply to: SPECULUM

I do love the occasional "bible bash". I mean you Christians claim so much truth in the bible, yet when someone points out obvious lies... "it's a metaphor" you say. OK so where is the truth?

a reply to: redoubt

Of course not. I never suggested to do so. I'm wondering why it should be considered a valid history book. Naturally, everything is open to the individual to believe or not believe. Why even bring that point up? I'm asking, why do we as a society deem this book important as a history book if it doesn't live up to the standards we've set for other history books?

originally posted by: SuperFrog

originally posted by: TheSorrow

originally posted by: redoubt
a reply to: Krazysh0t




This is, or should be, the choice/decision of the individual...

Very true. Freedom is always a great solution.

Just like you should have a freedom to learn science from this book...

Right...

Since when we give kids option what book to study from?? You have your freedom in Sunday school, there you can use any book you want... let's see how that will work...

I agree. If kids, parents and teachers had more freedom in choosing what to study and the curriculum- maybe less of them would graduate illiterate.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Then simply allow those who choose to believe, to believe and those who choose not to believe, not to believe.

It's a very simple remedy for the vast variety that our species offers

Well here's a question or two...serious.

Why not change the bible and take out the offending versus and make the old testament a separate history tome and add in some of the books that were deleted.

Secondly, any sane person would question some of the versus and stories in the bible that are either contradictory or crazy, such as the story of Lot.

You can't just say "stop bible bashing" because real Christians have the same questions. And you can't say that the bible is the unerring word of God and cannot be changed because it was already change a few times including by Constantine who, in my opinion, was not a Christian but invoked that name to consolidate power.

a reply to: DelMarvel

Haha, sure we should obey the government. However, The Bible clearly indicates that there are exceptions to this. Acts 5:27-29 and various other passages makes this clear. I cannot speak for Christians. Only letting you know what the Bible says on this matter.

If I may...
To some, the Holy Bible is the guide to life. You can stomp, scream, jump up and down and even threaten and it will not change their beliefs. Many will give their lives before offering a denial.

Human life is just wayyyy too short to spend it fretting over what the next person thinks and believes.
Pick yourself up and move on or one day you'll wake up and realize just how much of that life got wasted.