The recent surge in attacks against Israelis....

a reply to: Blissful
That statement is one of complete ignorance to any resources that are located within what Israel calls it's borders.

Not to be condescending but, if you don't know what you are talking about, remaining silent is a good way to learn.

If you like to make yourself look uninformed however, keep on with the current style.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: notmyrealname

I hold the view that if one attacks a nation and subsequently loses, they can and should lose that territory. Especially when from those 'heights' one can see the other side of that pitifully small nation.

Guess we have different versions of right and wrong.

However, your view isn't germane to this thread as it's based on the potential of the situation. Not the right/wrong of either side.

As those debates are well covered elsewhere and we are unlikely to change our views on that one, it's what's down the road that is of concern.

Here's what you can "expect". Israel will never back down. They are the most stubborn SOBs in the known universe. So don't hold your breath....on the other hand....

If one defends it's borders and wins it is acceptable however wars of aggression that are not provoked and only have the intent of increasing control over landmass is the objective then it is Illegal. (simple concept really)

The FACT that almost the entire international community does not stand with Israel's actions in '67 does tend to make me think that facts, logic and reason are on my side. What your post seems to indicate is a perceptional; or religious attachment to the subject (just speculating of course) and that is just not fact.

In suit with your argument, I guess the United States now owns the following countries: Japan, South Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia, Panama...et al.

Your argument is hyperbole at best and not valid. Stars or not you have not refuted a single fact.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: notmyrealname

I hold the view that if one attacks a nation and subsequently loses, they can and should lose that territory. Especially when from those 'heights' one can see the other side of that pitifully small nation.

Guess we have different versions of right and wrong.

Isn't there laws that prohibit the annexation of land through military force?

And if your talking about the land Israel took when it premtively attacked its neighbors and claimed "they were going to attack us first"... then you must be out your mind son.

That means that all the US would have to do is say Canada was preparing to attack, move in and take our land. Maybe put a fence around whats left of us?

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

You can a guy taking pictures of the kid. Nobody is even bothering to help. Everyone thought he was or soon to be dead, it seems.

If the kid didnt die, it is not murder but I think there is no defense against attemted murder.

I agree. And this kid is laying there because he tried to murder and elderly lady and a young child and was hit by a car, no doubt by some panicked Israeli fleeing for their lives or trying to prevent him from actually completing his murderous plan.

So, you feel bad for him, but not those he attempted to kill?

originally posted by: nightbringr

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

You can a guy taking pictures of the kid. Nobody is even bothering to help. Everyone thought he was or soon to be dead, it seems.

If the kid didnt die, it is not murder but I think there is no defense against attemted murder.

I agree. And this kid is laying there because he tried to murder and elderly lady and a young child and was hit by a car, no doubt by some panicked Israeli fleeing for their lives or trying to prevent him from actually completing his murderous plan.

So, you feel bad for him, but not those he attempted to kill?

I dont know if your saying that the kid was hit accidently in a MVA, or if he was hit from a hero with a car before he could kill someone. What I am saying is taking out a child (holding anything less than a bazooka) with a vehicle, would catch a little heat in my neck of the woods. Heads would be rolling right about now.

a reply to: notmyrealname

Of course I haven't refuted any real fact. There was no intention to do so. The thread is concerning the rising complexity of the situation overall and possible scenarios.

I will not be sucked into your attempt to articulate the endless points that have been covered equally, endlessly in earlier threads.

We won't change each other's minds on the rightness or wrongness on either side. I'm neither Jewish or Christian so you can drop that speculation.

Continue in this vein and I will have your post removed as off topic. Have a nice day....

a reply to: MALBOSIA

LOL. Pre-emptively attacked?

I'm 65, son, so your wrong on two points. However, either way it's not the point of the thread.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

Really? He's in the same hospital as his VICTIMS. If this kid had a bazooka there wouldn't be a car that hit him. If it was a deliberate hit by the car then I say Well done!

I'd do the same....and any required follow-up in 'your neck of the woods'.

a reply to: MALBOSIA
Thank god i don't live in your neck of the woods then.

So your saying this kid should be given a pass simply because he is a teenager? You do realize he attempted to kill an elderly lady and another child his age by stabbing them with a knife, or do you actually condone this action simply because he is a teenager?

a reply to: MALBOSIA

say what you want from the pic

but its obvious they saved him


I can take any number of pictures from tradjic events and then edit the worst parts before they put them in the hospital


It proves they are putting forth propaganda.........

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: smurfy

when they count palestinian casualties they include the stabbers, gunmen, and bombers.
but whos counting?

Eleven of the Palestinians that have been killed were involved with attacking people so that leaves over 20 Palestinians that have been murdered. But that isn't important because only Israeli lives matter. Let's overlook how Israel plants undercover cops to make sure that protests turn violent so that way Israel will have the right to kill people. But none of that is important all that is important is the people who have been occupying another nation for decades is being attacked.

originally posted by: buster2010
Let's overlook how Israel plants undercover cops to make sure that protests turn violent so that way Israel will have the right to kill people.

Care to back that up with some proof?

In my opinion, both sides are to blame for the ongoing violence. Regardless of whether or not you believe Israel is 'occupying' the land or not, they are internationally recognized by the vast majority of the word as the rightful owners of their miniscule piece of land.

And they have a right to protect themselves as the rightful owners.

a reply to: nightbringr

buster2010 doesn't require proof. he merely spews stuff up to fit his agenda.

"If it can be asserted without proof, it can be dismissed without proof."

originally posted by: nightbringr
Well, i thought this new article released today is telling:
www.telegraph.co.uk...

Seems Abbas might be fomenting some of this anger though lies. It would appear the Palestinian supposedly 'executed' by the Israelis is in fact alive.

New day same story. Been going on 100 years.

originally posted by: nightbringr
a reply to: MALBOSIA
Thank god i don't live in your neck of the woods then.

So your saying this kid should be given a pass simply because he is a teenager? You do realize he attempted to kill an elderly lady and another child his age by stabbing them with a knife, or do you actually condone this action simply because he is a teenager?

I am saying that police here in a Canda opened fire on a a kid of similar age who was hold on a bus with a knife

Everyone is in a lot of trouble for that. Life is not considered cheap where I am from no matter what the person did and especially before they turn 18.

And stop putting words in my mouth. I said the kid appears to be dead and so did the guy that took a piccture of him. Then I asked for clarification on what circumstances led to him being hit with a car. Stop foaming from the mouth and twisting my words.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: MALBOSIA

Really? He's in the same hospital as his VICTIMS. If this kid had a bazooka there wouldn't be a car that hit him. If it was a deliberate hit by the car then I say Well done!

I'd do the same....and any required follow-up in 'your neck of the woods'.

Im just saying that civilized nations have higher expectations. I understand Israel has a hard time being civilized when the entire premise of their existance is based on the the depopulation of an ethnic group whos land Israel wished to occupy because of their (Israels) extreme religious beliefs.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

What you fail to realize is Canada isn't sitting in a virtual war zone since 1948. The morals of your environment isn't the same.

Placing your ideals-and they are valid in the context of your environment-on those that face threats and attacks on a non-stop basis doesn't work.

20% of Israel's population is Muslim. They have the full rights as citizens. You don't see them lining up to depart the oppressive Jewish majority, do you?

They need and have a point where ideal mores are set aside and the people know it. (As do their adversaries). Assume the role of attacker/killer irrespective of physical age, you will receive the response required to ensure the safety and minimize the damage also despite physical age.

To comment on your neck of the woods in comparison is, well, short-sighted.

Still, your clarification on your post helps.

a reply to: nightbringr

Care to back that up with some proof?

Watch: Israeli undercover cops brutally beat Palestinian protesters

Regardless of whether or not you believe Israel is 'occupying' the land or not, they are internationally recognized by the vast majority of the word as the rightful owners of their miniscule piece of land.

It is not a belief that they are occupied that is fact that has been pointed out numerous times in this forum.

And they have a right to protect themselves as the rightful owners.

They do not have a right to protect themselves because they are not the rightful owners.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: MALBOSIA

What you fail to realize is Canada isn't sitting in a virtual war zone since 1948. The morals of your environment isn't the same.

Placing your ideals-and they are valid in the context of your environment-on those that face threats and attacks on a non-stop basis doesn't work.

20% of Israel's population is Muslim. They have the full rights as citizens. You don't see them lining up to depart the oppressive Jewish majority, do you?

They need and have a point where ideal mores are set aside and the people know it. (As do their adversaries). Assume the role of attacker/killer irrespective of physical age, you will receive the response required to ensure the safety and minimize the damage also despite physical age.

To comment on your neck of the woods in comparison is, well, short-sighted.

Still, your clarification on your post helps.

I have heard that arguement before. Israel must break the palestinians both militarily and culturaly before Israel can ever be safe from them. I watched a pro-Israel panel discuss this just yesturday.

And my neck of the woods is what legitimzes Israel. Without Canada right now, Israel would have almost nobody in her corner.

The problem I have with Israel is that we stopped the music in the great game of musical chairs right after WW2 and decided there would be no more carving boarders with military force. And that is all Israel has done. Why is Israel special and gets special rights?

If someone attacks you and they lose, you demilitarize them. You dont take their land and put a fence around them. This isnt 1st century Rome for f sakes.

a reply to: buster2010

Who decides who the rightful owners are? Where's your protestations on China's long-standing occupation of Tibet? Of China's arbitrary absorbing of the South China Sea?

Where's the videos of rocket attacks on civilian centers in Israel?

Where's your protestation on the 'Palestinian' territory occupied by Syria and Jordan?

Your views are well known. Israel isn't going anywhere.

The sad truth is every country is run by those that rose to the top of the 'food chain', so to speak.

Those on the top make the rules. Those on top of other food chains have little to no control over other 'food chains'.

The winner will decide what the 'crimes against humanity' are...and who committed them....

As there isn't a 'winner', as of yet, those eventual rules aren't set, especially when the so-called current rules are only selectively applied, you end up with less and less abiding by them.

Popularity and consensus will be and are non-factors, in the long run.

Deal with it.