INTIFADA THREAT: Israel sends in troops to quell Palestinian attacks

a reply to: real_one

$5,000 for demolished house.
$50,000 from the Palestinian government for killing innocent children and women.
Profit
if a family sends enough suicide bombers from its ranks they can probably afford a nice mansion

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: buster2010

BUSTER2010 = LIAR

its math, cant argue with math.

One 16 year old. The rest Israel claimed they were going to kill themselves Which is strange seeing how one was supposed to get paid after killing himself. What's funny is how you didn't mention the girl from Israel or the ones from Lebanon.

originally posted by: real_one

originally posted by: Vamana
a reply to: amazing

Turn on the water and power

hold up, you have no clue do you?.

The palestinians have a debt of 1.5 Billion Shekels to the IEC (Israel Electric Corporation) because they are receiving electricity for free or are refusing to pay the bill even though they have plenty of cash, this was back in May, I'm sure the debt is even higher now but the electricity keeps flowing.

if any Israeli citizen is late on his electric bill the power is cut Immediately.

Do Israeli citizens have their houses bulldozed after a Jewish extremist commits an act of terrorism?

If you want to compare apples to oranges.

Maybe if another ME country like SA or Egypt gave them a little strip of sand, the Palestinians could build houses and wouldn't have to worry about Israel bulldozing them. Apparently other ME Arabs don't like the Palestinians either. They're between a rock and a hard place. Israel doesn't like them as well as the other Arabs in the region.

originally posted by: Vamana
a reply to: amazing

Turn on the water and power

hold up, you have no clue do you?.

The palestinians have a debt of 1.5 Billion Shekels to the IEC (Israel Electric Corporation) because they are receiving electricity for free or are refusing to pay the bill even though they have plenty of cash, this was back in May, I'm sure the debt is even higher now but the electricity keeps flowing.

if any Israeli citizen is late on his electric bill the power is cut Immediately.

Maybe they wouldn't be behind in payments if Israel would stop targeting the power plants in Palestine.

a reply to: buster2010

Bravo.
you argue im wrong by admitting im right.
Bravo.

but just for giggles lets quote the wiki,

History

According to the Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers "2004 Global Report on the Use of Child Soldiers", there were at least nine documented suicide attacks involving Palestinian minors between October 2000 and March 2004[4] p. 292

According to the Israel Defense Forces, 29 suicide attacks were carried out by youth under the age of 18 in 2000–2003. From May 2001, 22 shootings attacks and attacks using explosive devices were carried out by youth under the age of 18, and more than 40 youths under the age of 18 were involved in attempted suicide bombings that were thwarted (three in 2004)

a reply to: UnBreakable

Maybe if another ME country like SA or Egypt gave them a little strip of sand, the Palestinians could build houses and wouldn't have to worry about Israel bulldozing them.

Why should the people that have lived there for centuries move? Tell Europeans that moved in to move somewhere else.

Apparently other ME Arabs don't like the Palestinians either. They're between a rock and a hard place. Israel doesn't like them as well as the other Arabs in the region.

It's not that they don't like them they just don't think they should have to take in people when they already have a place to live. It's really no different from the way Americans whine about Mexicans when they flee the bad conditions in their country to come here.

a reply to: dashen

Why did you leave out the Israeli and Lebanese? That's right this a demonize Palestinians thread isn't it.

a reply to: buster2010

just in case i left out the kitchen sink......,

and im sure since since some of the attacks were thwarted they dont count right?
only dead children count for you, well some dead children.

On March 29, 2002, Ayat al-Akhras, an 18-year-old girl from the Deheishe Refugee Camp near Bethlehem, detonated explosives strapped around her waist in a supermarket in Jerusalem, killing herself, a 17-year-old Israeli girl named Rachel Levy, and a 55-year-old security guard named Haim Smadar.

On March 24, 2004, one week after capturing a bomb in the bag of 12-year-old Abdullah Quran, Hussam Abdo, a 16-year-old Palestinian (who initially claimed he was 14), was captured in a checkpoint near Nablus wearing an explosive belt. The young boy was paid by the Tanzim militia to detonate himself at the checkpoint. IDF soldiers manning the checkpoint were suspicious of him and told him to stay away from people. Later, an EOD team arrived and by using a police-sapper robot, removed the explosive belt from him.[7][8] Hussam explained that he was offered 100 NIS and sex with virgins if he would perform the task. He said his friends mocked him in class.[9][10]

On May 30, 2004, The New York Times reported Israeli allegations that the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades were using children to recruit classmates as suicide bombers, and that one child, Nasser Awartani, 15, of Nablus allegedly recruited four of his classmates, one of whom was claimed by the Shabak report on Awartani to be Hussam Abdo.Greg Myre (May 30, 2004). "Israel Says Children Are Used to Recruit Bombers". The New York Times. Retrieved September 5, 2014.

On June 16, 2004, two girls, aged 14 and 15, were arrested by the IDF for allegedly plotting a suicide bombing. According to an IDF statement, the two children were recruited by activists from Tanzim (Fatah's armed wing), guided by Hezbollah.[11]

On July 3, the Israeli Security Forces thwarted a suicide bombing that it claimed was to have been carried out by 16-year-old Muataz Takhsin Karini. Karini and two of his operators were arrested, while a 12 kg explosive belt was detonated safely by an Israeli EOD crew.[12] On June 5, IDF forces detonated two explosive belts concealed in schoolbags. On July 14, the Shin Bet arrested in Kfar Maskha a suicide bomber. The bomber was identified as 17-year-old Ahmed Bushkar from Nablus.[13]

On September 23, 2004, a day before Yom Kippur, the Shin Bet and the Israel Police announced their capture of a 15-year-old suicide bomber and a 7 kg explosive belt in the village of Dir-Hana in the Western Galilee. The 15-year-old was part of joint terrorist cell of Tanzim and Palestinian Islamic Jihad from Yamon village near Jenin. The four were Palestinians who worked illegally in Israel. The 15-year-old was allegedly paid 1000 shekels in order to blow himself up in Afula.[14][15]

According to a Shabak report published on September 26, 2004, about 292 Palestinian children have been involved in terrorism.[16]

On September 27, 2004, a 15-year-old suspected suicide bomber was arrested in Nablus.[17] On October 28, Ayub Maaruf, a 16-year-old Fatah suicide bomber, was arrested near Nablus along with his operator.[18]

On November 1, 16-year-old Aamer Alfar blew himself up in Tel Aviv's Carmel Market, killing 3 Israelis in a suicide bombing that was claimed by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Alfar's mother and father condemned what they saw as the exploitation of their son:

"God will curse those who recruited Amar. I had heard the stories about recruiting children in Nablus but I didn't think they were true... Yes, it is difficult here for everyone because of the occupation, and life in Nablus is intolerable, but children should not be exploited in this way."[citation needed]

On November 4, a 15-year-old suicide bomber was arrested in Nablus.

On February 3, 2005, Mahmoud Tabouq, a 15- or 16-year-old Palestinian, was arrested at the Huwara checkpoint near Nablus carrying a bag containing an explosive belt, an improvised gun, and 20 bullets. The belt was detonated safely by a Magav bomb squad.[19][20]

On April 12, a 15-year-old Palestinian boy identified as Hassan Hashash was caught at Huwara checkpoint hiding five pipe bombs under his coat. He tried to ignite them with a match when the soldiers apprehended him. Later he was disarmed, and sappers detonated the bombs safely. Family members of Hashash suggested that he deliberately carried bombs into an IDF checkpoint in order to be arrested and study for the "Bagrut" final exams in the Israeli jail.[21] A week later, another Palestinian youth (aged 17) was caught carrying explosives in Beit Furik checkpoint.

On April 27, two teenagers, aged 15 (though other sources cite their ages as 12 and 13), were arrested at a checkpoint near Jenin after 11 explosive charges were found on them. One teenager was recruited by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the other by the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades. The two told interrogators that they had been acting as couriers for terrorists, but security forces suspect they planned to get close to the soldiers and then detonate the charges.[22]

On May 22, Iad Ladi, a 14- or 15-year-old Palestinian suicide bomber was arrested at a Huwara checkpoint near Nablus. This was the 14th time during April and May that a Palestinian child was arrested as a bomber or a courier. Two days later, another 15-year-old Palestinian teen carrying two pipe bombs, was caught at the same checkpoint. On June 15, The Israeli press reported that the Shabak arrested a Palestinian militant cell in Nablus during the previous month. The cell included eight members, four of whom were child suicide bombers. The cell was on the verge of committing another suicide bombing attack using the four children. According to the Shin Bet, the cell was directed and funded by the Fatah's Tanzim branch and the Lebanese group Hezbollah.[23]

On October 11, a 14-year-old Palestinian boy was arrested by IDF forces. He told the soldiers he was forced to agree to commit a suicide bombing when two terrorists from Fatah's Tanzim faction threatened to murder him by spreading a leaflet accusing him of collaboration unless he agreed. They took pictures of him with a gun and the Qur'an and forced him to write his own will.[24]

On August 27, a 15-year-old Palestinian boy carrying two explosive devices on his body was arrested in the northern Gaza Strip after he attempted to carry out an attack against soldiers operating in the area against Palestinians launching Qassam rockets on Israeli civilians across the border inside Israel.[25

edit on 14-10-2015 by dashen because: (no reason given)

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: dashen

Why did you leave out the Israeli and Lebanese? That's right this a demonize Palestinians thread isn't it.

please quote it.
please do.

i cant possibly do a better job of demonizing them more than the palestinians themselves

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: UnBreakable

Maybe if another ME country like SA or Egypt gave them a little strip of sand, the Palestinians could build houses and wouldn't have to worry about Israel bulldozing them.

Why should the people that have lived there for centuries move? Tell Europeans that moved in to move somewhere else.

Apparently other ME Arabs don't like the Palestinians either. They're between a rock and a hard place. Israel doesn't like them as well as the other Arabs in the region.

It's not that they don't like them they just don't think they should have to take in people when they already have a place to live. It's really no different from the way Americans whine about Mexicans when they flee the bad conditions in their country to come here.

No, other Arabs don't like them nor want them to have their own state.

"They have money and oil, but don't care about the Palestinians, even though we are Arabs and Muslims like them. What a Saudi or Qatari sheikh spends in one night in London, Paris or Las Vegas could solve the problem of tens of thousands of Palestinians." — Palestinian human rights activist.

"Some Arabs were hoping that Israel would rid them of Hamas." — Ashraf Salameh, Gaza City.

"Some of the Arab regimes are interested in getting rid of the resistance in order to remove the burden of the Palestinian cause, which threatens the stability of their regimes." — Mustafa al-Sawwaf, Palestinian political analyst.

"As he was speaking abut Arab "betrayal," the Palestine Scholar's Council issued a strongly-worded statement in which it lashed out at the Arab world for failing to take action to save the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip".
www.gatestoneinstitute.org...

a reply to: real_one

what does that have anything to do with what I wrote? I was correcting the widely false assumption that power/water is not being delivered to palestinians.

also you clearly have no clue what you are even talking about, a large amount of the Israeli population lives in blocs with 6+ residents(unlike most palestinians who live in private houses/mansion), most don't even own their apartments but live on rent, so pray tell how are you going to demolish a bloc with several other residents in it or the apartment when they don't even own it?.

a reply to: buster2010

on what planet do you live? you think some measly power plants are powering the whole palestinian population?, they have been receiving power from Israel for several years(hence the massive debt) this is nothing new and has nothing to do with destroyed power plants, the debt was there and increasing already long before those plants got hit.

about 7% of the total electricity the IEC produces each year is delivered to palestinians, approximately 4 million Mwh each year around 1 million of that goes to the Gaza strip, they are not "behind in payments" they simply refuse to pay it thinking they are above the law.

god forbid they cut the power out due to debt like any other normal person gets, then we would have the apologists crying there is no power, how about they pay it like everybody else?.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: yuppa

They arent tresspassing UNTIL the land is given back they gained after 67 and then they dont leave after giving it back.

Then it is called an illegal occupation.

It s only ILLEGAL when they DO NOT LEAVE AFTER THE RECOGNIZING OF ISRAEL SHELDON. The resolutions specific. The arabs HAVE TO RECOGNIZE IT AS A COUNTRY WITH A RIGHT TO EXIST.

When they Do that and THEN IF THEY DO NOT LEAVE THE CURRENTLY CONTROLLED AREAS THEN ITS OCCUPATION.

SO until that happens they are not Occupiers.

Well V seeing how they are allowing settlers to move in and occupy land then it is an occupation.

Nope. flat wrong. Under Geneva convention 4 part 14 no its not. You have to be a country to be occupied. Trans jordan has NEVER claimed th e land yet and as such is not JORDAN territory yet. I believe its part 14,but its in the 4th convention somewhere i f not.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: yuppa

They arent tresspassing UNTIL the land is given back they gained after 67 and then they dont leave after giving it back.

Then it is called an illegal occupation.

It s only ILLEGAL when they DO NOT LEAVE AFTER THE RECOGNIZING OF ISRAEL SHELDON. The resolutions specific. The arabs HAVE TO RECOGNIZE IT AS A COUNTRY WITH A RIGHT TO EXIST.

When they Do that and THEN IF THEY DO NOT LEAVE THE CURRENTLY CONTROLLED AREAS THEN ITS OCCUPATION.

SO until that happens they are not Occupiers.

Well V seeing how they are allowing settlers to move in and occupy land then it is an occupation.

Nope. flat wrong. Under Geneva convention 4 part 14 no its not. You have to be a country to be occupied. Trans jordan has NEVER claimed th e land yet and as such is not JORDAN territory yet. I believe its part 14,but its in the 4th convention somewhere i f not.

Wrong it is annexing land because Israel issues building permits for them to do it so it is occupied. It isn't trans Jordan It's Palestine.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: yuppa

They arent tresspassing UNTIL the land is given back they gained after 67 and then they dont leave after giving it back.

Then it is called an illegal occupation.

It s only ILLEGAL when they DO NOT LEAVE AFTER THE RECOGNIZING OF ISRAEL SHELDON. The resolutions specific. The arabs HAVE TO RECOGNIZE IT AS A COUNTRY WITH A RIGHT TO EXIST.

When they Do that and THEN IF THEY DO NOT LEAVE THE CURRENTLY CONTROLLED AREAS THEN ITS OCCUPATION.

SO until that happens they are not Occupiers.

Well V seeing how they are allowing settlers to move in and occupy land then it is an occupation.

Nope. flat wrong. Under Geneva convention 4 part 14 no its not. You have to be a country to be occupied. Trans jordan has NEVER claimed th e land yet and as such is not JORDAN territory yet. I believe its part 14,but its in the 4th convention somewhere i f not.

Wrong it is annexing land because Israel issues building permits for them to do it so it is occupied. It isn't trans Jordan It's Palestine.

Not according to resolution 242. Circle argument here. It IS trans jordan.

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edit on 10/14/2015 by Kangaruex4Ewe because: (no reason given)

originally posted by: buster2010

When did America become a "race" of people?

I believe it was announced around the same time that islam was declared a race.

Israel’s scapegoat problem

This current wave of “lone-wolf” attacks by Palestinians against Israelis poses a threat to the Israeli government unlike any other. Obviously I am not referring to the security risk they pose — after all, Israel has far more deaths and injuries from car accidents. Nor am I referring to the fear this onslaught of attacks may be causing Israelis. No, the real threat is that for the first time since the First Intifada, almost 30 years ago, the Israeli government has nobody to blame.

I can’t imagine the frustration at Netanyahu’s cabinet meetings. Israel’s knee-jerk reaction is to blame a certain party, and then bomb them. That’s why it was so useful having Yasser Arafat from mid-1990s until his demise. Whatever happened, whoever did it, Arafat was always to blame.

...

Netanyahu tried blaming President Abbas for this wave of violence, but that obviously didn’t hold water. While over two dozen Palestinians were being killed over the span of two weeks, the Palestinian president was out dedicating new roads and attending celebratory events. He’s so out of touch with the Palestinian street that it’s impossible to tie him to the current violence.

Clearly the Israelis haven’t found anyone to blame, but that’s only because they’re not looking in the right place. Here’s a short list of where they should be looking.

Let’s start with the obvious. No Palestinian under 50 living in the West Bank, and to an extent the Gaza Strip, has known a day of freedom in his or her entire life. No freedom of movement, no freedom of worship, no sense of personal safety or stability.

The noose is tightened by the actions of the Israeli military and police. Averaged out, Israel has killed over 10 Palestinians per week over the past 15 years, according to statistics compiled by B’Tselem. Granted, some of these Palestinians were engaged in violently resisting the Israeli occupation, but the vast majority were not. Who among us wouldn’t be angry if they heard three of their neighbors were murdered when their house was firebombed, or to see entire neighborhoods of your country decimated?

And this is further exacerbated by the presence of armed settlers who are protected by the Israeli military and police, even while committing violent crimes. This double standard that exists in relation to breaking the peace, and even the law, is stifling. There is little doubt that if a band of Palestinians walked up to an Israeli settlement and set fire to its fields that Israeli forces would open fire on them. It took only a couple of days for Israeli forces to arrest suspects in the killing of the couple in their car a few weeks ago. But what about justice for the Palestinian family that was burnt alive? How many times have Israeli settlers attacked Palestinian villagers while Israeli soldiers stood in their midst and the moment the Palestinians come out to defend their village, they are fired upon by soldier and settler alike. And now, even a mere accusation of attempting a stabbing is enough to get a Palestinian killed, even without evidence of a knife.

So if the Israeli cabinet is looking for someone or something to blame, blame the occupation. Blame the double standards. Blame the military and paramilitary forces that have no connection to any semblance of a moral compass. And then, instead of bombing, perhaps now might be a good time to make amends. Because the desperation among Palestinians is only going to increase. And as we have seen from the past three weeks, there are many who just can’t take it anymore.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

scapegoat indeed

AttackPalestin ian Kills two israelis, wounds toddler in Jerusalem, Hamas 'Praises' Heroic attack

it takes a real 'palestinian Hero' to stab a toddler

a reply to: dashen

How many counter-examples do you need to stop the 'we suffered a lot' rhetoric and start considering that apartheid Israel is now paying back the price of his own oppression policies ?