Why is Jesus a Conservative?

a reply to: vethumanbeing

I never said Ayn Rand is a better option.

And I disagree that they are seperate, non-relevant beliefs. Ayn Rands philosophy assumes that everyone is basically selfish and even acts that we think of as altruistic are really people wanting something back for themselves in some way whether tangible or intangible. Her philosophy was more than just free market economics. It has to do with how to treat people, how to vote, what to support with your wallet, what to consider sacred, what to exploit and what to conserve are certainly more than just economic decisions. They're moral decisions.

a reply to: grandmakdw

I have a red text bible thank you.
I can't seem to find anything sexist or homophobic in anything Jesus actually said, so why do you propose he said these things when he did not? I find plenty of misogynism in Paul's letters tho.

Jesus was the first known hippie, very far from being a conservative!!!

a reply to: Substracto

Jesus was the first known hippie, very far from being a conservative!!!

that reminds me of a joke.

there was this preacher who had a rebellious son who just turned sixteen and gotten his driver licensees.
he asked his father for a car.

the preacher said that he would buy him one, if he would meet certain conditions.
1. stop skipping school and get better grades.
2. get a job so that he could pay for insurance, gas, oil and maintenance on the car.
3. get a haircut and not wear his hair long.

after six weeks his son came to him with his report card which had all b's and showed a perfect attendance for the six weeks.
he also produced a pay stub from mcdonalds. and he said see pop i did what you asked.

the preacher asked about his hair.
the son replied, well Jesus and his disciples all had long hair.

then the preacher said, yes they did and they walked everywhere they went.

originally posted by: Antidisestablishment
a reply to: grandmakdw

I have a red text bible thank you.
I can't seem to find anything sexist or homophobic in anything Jesus actually said, so why do you propose he said these things when he did not? I find plenty of misogynism in Paul's letters tho.

She's saying the same thing you are, but she won't agree with you because she perceives you as attacking Christians.

a reply to: Klassified

I was not attacking anybody, I just wanted a simple explanation as to why what the Christian Conservstives belive is different to what Jesus taught.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Klassified

I'm just saying that words are words. When we get down to brass tacks, on a lot of things, most people are going to agree - this is wrong even if we don't agree on what terminology or philosophy to explain why it's wrong.

Lying, cheating, stealing, rape, murder, etc. ... all those things most of us are going to agree are wrong just on general principle.

An atheist may seek to explain why through a philosophical underpinning and ethical explanation whereas a religious/spiritual person is going to look to more esoteric reasoning and use words like sin.

But does that really make us so very different? And should that offend you when someone explains what is really a commonality using a different reasoning than your own?

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. I was busy with Grandma. Lol! I understand what you're saying, and I'm going to leave it there. I can agree with you to some extent, and agree to disagree with you on the rest. Thanks for fleshing it out with me. Now I have an apology to make to the member that started our discussion.

a reply to: rukia

Anyway, I was talking to the person who was a Christian, apparently, who was slamming gays--and so I spoke of sin because I knew they'd understand.

Yes you were, and I jumped the gun on that one, not thinking about who you were addressing. My sincere apologies.

So no, there is nothing biblical about a conservative Christian. Just as there's nothing biblical about politics at all.

Agreed.

And as for the Bible, the new testament is anything but bigoted and misogynistic and judgmental. Jesus was a cool dude--the coolest. And I think that everything Jesus said was spot-on.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

As a conservative I resent that you would question Jesus in his political standings. In the Bible Jesus is quite adamant about his stance on illegal immigration and really wanted to put up walls along borders to keep them out. That is just one example of Jesus And modern-day conservatives being the same thing.

a reply to: TsukiLunar

Thank you for that.
Can you support the by posting scriptures?

a reply to: Antidisestablishment

It is in the special features section.

a reply to: TsukiLunar

I don't know what that means, sorry.
Can you actually cut and paste them from the Bible into this thread? thanks.

a reply to: Antidisestablishment

That would violate copyright laws. I presume you have a Bible? Open it up and navigate to the creators commentary.

originally posted by: Antidisestablishment
a reply to: Klassified

I was not attacking anybody, I just wanted a simple explanation as to why what the Christian Conservstives belive is different to what Jesus taught.

I understand that. She doesn't. Or doesn't want to. Not sure which.

They believe "different" for a few reasons.
1. Some have no idea what Jesus taught. They've never read it. They just go by what they've been told.
2. Most Christians take the bible as a whole. They don't just read Jesus words and discard the rest. Unless it's convenient for them at the time, that is.
3. They've drank the Kool-Aid, and bought into the scam that the conservative party stands for "Christians values", when nothing could be further from the truth.

a reply to: TsukiLunar

Ok, fine. You don't have any scriptures to illustrate Jesus's opinion on foreign policy.
Why didn't you just say that instead of making stuff up?

a reply to: Antidisestablishment

I'm a conservative.

originally posted by: TsukiLunar
As a conservative I resent that you would question Jesus in his political standings. In the Bible Jesus is quite adamant about his stance on illegal immigration and really wanted to put up walls along borders to keep them out. That is just one example of Jesus And modern-day conservatives being the same thing.

As a friend of mine would say. "You ain't right" Tsuki.

a reply to: Klassified

People think that our Conservative party stands for Christian values as well, but they are so wrong.
Our illustrious leader David CaMORON used to like putting his willy in the mouth of a dead pig.
Our Chancellor, George Osbourne has been photographed with heaps of coc aine and a pimp madam sitting on his knee. They call him Fart Sniffer because a fun game he likes to play with his buddies.

a reply to: TsukiLunar


Yep, I can tell that by your total inability to answer a simple question.

originally posted by: Antidisestablishment
a reply to: Klassified

People think that our Conservative party stands for Christian values as well, but they are so wrong.
Our illustrious leader David CaMORON used to like putting his willy in the mouth of a dead pig.
Our Chancellor, George Osbourne has been photographed with heaps of coc aine and a pimp madam sitting on his knee.

Oops. Bet that was a bit embarrassing for both of them. A few of ours like doing strange things too. SMH.