Why is Jesus a Conservative?

originally posted by: crayzeed
Of course angels are gay, they're always happy aren't they. Eccept when they're sad.

You are so going to hell.

a reply to: Blissful

Wow can you just stop? I'm a Christian and I'm pretty conservative but you're just being hateful. How about getting some empathy and loving one another?

Are you going to tell me that you have never sinned in your life? If so, I'd call you a liar. No sin is any worse than another. So why don't you take a seat and reflect on what that means. We are all sinners. Christians aren't immune to this--so stop lying to yourself. Don't judge others.

originally posted by: Antidisestablishment
Hey you Bible Bashers!
Do you have an answer to me question.
I have been reading the New Testament, and I really can't find any evidence that the beloved Jesus you so admire would have ever voted for Bush or Donald Trump. In fact, I don't even belive he was homophobic.
In fact, I don't think he was misogynistic or a gay hater.
Can you prove me wrong by posting scriptures that support capitalism and slavery which actually came from Jesus's mouth?
I think the early disciples showed more left wing leanings tbh.

So you think ALL Christians are misogynistic, homophobic, gay haters?
You just defined your self as judgmental, bigoted, prejudiced, and Christophobic
with those statements.
Let's not forget highly intolerant.

I don't believe Jesus would have voted for a horny hound dog
or his enabling wife either. Or a woman who cheated
senior citizens out of their life savings (Whitewater),
and there are many more things I could mention, Clinton.

What you said is the equivalent of me saying ALL non-Christians
or all American Democrats
are politically correct speech Nazis, environmental wackos,
LGBTQ+, and Christian haters.

(I don't believe the paragraph above, but...

The statement about non-Christians and Democrats
has as much validity as your assertion,
as much tolerance,
and as much caring for humanity -
as your statement about Christians and Republicans does.)

By the way, in the US, a Bible Basher is
someone who hates Christians,
since you are talking to and about
people in the US.

Since when are Republicans for slavery?
Did you know that during the civil war,
it was the Republicans that fought to
free and slaves and the Democrats
who wanted to keep slavery legal ?
Look up American history and see
for yourself. It was also churches and
Christian Ministers who led the fight
for the abolition of slavery.

You don't know much about the US
or its citizens or it's history.

Your abject ignorance is showing.

a reply to: Christosterone

FWIW, I think a magic dude in the sky came down to 7th century Arabia, found a sociopathic warlord and said "hey guy, start banging 7 year olds(after u marry them of course) and, oh by the way, I'm the same God of those people you hate, the Jews"....

That BS is from the Hadith. Mohammed and Aisha

There is absolutely no other reason to either make or repeat that disgusting claim. Aisha was married in 622 C.E., and although her exact birthday is unknown, Abu Ja'far Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari recorded that it happened before Islam was revealed in 610.

The earliest surviving biography of Muhammad, Abu Muhammad 'Abd al-Malik bin Hisham's recension of Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah -- The Life of the Messenger of God records that Aisha accepted Islam shortly after it was revealed -- 12 years before her marriage -- and there is no way she could have done so as an infant or toddler.

Furthermore, it is a matter of incontrovertible historical record that Aisha was involved in the Battles of Badr in 624 and Uhud in 625, in neither of which was anyone under the age of 15 allowed.

Finally, Imam Wali-ud-Din Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Khatib, dead for more than 700 years, recorded in the biographical section of Miskat al-Masabih that Asma, her elder sister of 10 years, died at the age of 100, 72 years after Aisha's wedding. This makes Aisha's age at the time of her marriage at least 14, and at the time of her marriage's consummation almost 20.
m.huffpost.com...

If we look at the undisputed, well-documented historical facts, we can immediately deduce that A’isha was NOT a child when she married the Prophet [pbuh]. She was actually 16 at the time of her betrothal (engagement) to the Prophet, and 19 when she married and moved in with him.


A chronological documentation of major events in A’isha’s life is as follows:

A’isha was born before Islam was revealed in 610, and accepted Islam shortly after it was revealed.

The Hijra occurred in 622
A’isha’s older sister (of 10 years), Asmaa, was 27 at the time of Hijra, making A’isha 17 at the time of Hijra.

A’isha was betrothed to the Prophet two years after the death of Khadijah, or a year before the Hijrah.
A’isha moved in with the Prophet a year or two after the Hijrah, or two to four years after her betrothal.
(Various reports are unclear, but all agree as to the general time frame.)

A’isha was involved in the battles of Badr (624) and Uhud (625), in neither of which was anyone under the age of 15 allowed.

A’isha was widowed in 633
A’isha died in 672 at the age of 67. (We know that her older sister, Asmaa, died at the age of 100 in the year 695, which means she was 77 at the time of A’isha’s death.)

So again, based on the timeline above, we can conclude that A’isha was 16 at the time of her engagement to the Prophet [pbuh], and 19 when she married and moved in with him.
pieceofmind.publicrealm.net...

Of course you would know that the Hadith contradicts itself on the age of Aisha if you were actually seeking the truth.

The Hadith is full of lies, most likely written by those who opposed Islam.

a reply to: Antidisestablishment

1 Timothy 5:17
The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching.

Thr bible justifies inequality based on one's work ethic and effectiveness. But double honor is far from the massive inequality we see today.

I Imagine Jesus would support Capitalism with an income and wealth cap to avoid the massive income inequality we see today.

a reply to: Antidisestablishment

Well Jesus would obviously criticize Corporate Capitalism due to it supporting the Military Industrial Complex and making a huge gap between rich and poor.

originally posted by: rukia
a reply to: Blissful

Wow can you just stop? I'm a Christian and I'm pretty conservative but you're just being hateful. How about getting some empathy and loving one another?

Are you going to tell me that you have never sinned in your life? If so, I'd call you a liar. No sin is any worse than another. So why don't you take a seat and reflect on what that means. We are all sinners. Christians aren't immune to this--so stop lying to yourself. Don't judge others.

Factual is hateful? Oh my oh my. I guess I'm sorry.

a reply to: rukia

Are you going to tell me that you have never sinned in your life? If so, I'd call you a liar. No sin is any worse than another. So why don't you take a seat and reflect on what that means. We are all sinners. Christians aren't immune to this--so stop lying to yourself. Don't judge others.

Sin only exists if one is Christian. If one is not Christian, they have never sinned in the biblical sense of the word. Assuming that all non-Christians are beholden to Christian belief and doctrine is a bigoted and elitist attitude common among Christians.

What do you consider conservative, and do you believe it is in line with biblical teaching? Sincere question.

originally posted by: Antidisestablishment
Hey you Bible Bashers!
Do you have an answer to me question.
I have been reading the New Testament, and I really can't find any evidence that the beloved Jesus you so admire would have ever voted for Bush or Donald Trump. In fact, I don't even belive he was homophobic.
In fact, I don't think he was misogynistic or a gay hater.
Can you prove me wrong by posting scriptures that support capitalism and slavery which actually came from Jesus's mouth?
I think the early disciples showed more left wing leanings tbh.

It seems to be a theme here to attack Christians, conservative Christians.

Who cares who Jesus would have voted for?

a reply to: grandmakdw

So you think ALL Christians are misogynistic, homophobic, gay haters? You just defined your self as judgmental, bigoted, prejudiced, and Christophobic with those statements. Let's not forget highly intolerant.

I don't think all Christians necessarily fall under that umbrella, but their bible certainly does.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Antidisestablishment
Hey you Bible Bashers!
Do you have an answer to me question.
I have been reading the New Testament, and I really can't find any evidence that the beloved Jesus you so admire would have ever voted for Bush or Donald Trump. In fact, I don't even belive he was homophobic.
In fact, I don't think he was misogynistic or a gay hater.
Can you prove me wrong by posting scriptures that support capitalism and slavery which actually came from Jesus's mouth?
I think the early disciples showed more left wing leanings tbh.

It seems to be a theme here to attack Christians, conservative Christians.

Who cares who Jesus would have voted for?

There has been a theme among Christians to "attack" anyone who is not, for 2000 years.

Sincere question: What is a conservative Christian, and is it biblical?

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Antidisestablishment
Hey you Bible Bashers!
Do you have an answer to me question.
I have been reading the New Testament, and I really can't find any evidence that the beloved Jesus you so admire would have ever voted for Bush or Donald Trump. In fact, I don't even belive he was homophobic.
In fact, I don't think he was misogynistic or a gay hater.
Can you prove me wrong by posting scriptures that support capitalism and slavery which actually came from Jesus's mouth?
I think the early disciples showed more left wing leanings tbh.

It seems to be a theme here to attack Christians, conservative Christians.

Who cares who Jesus would have voted for?

There has been a theme among Christians to "attack" anyone who is not for 2000 years.

Sincere question: What is a conservative Christian, and is it biblical?

This thread was created to attack Christians. As someone neutral on the whole subject, I find it funny and pathetic at the same time.

I figure conservative Christians to be conservatives who are Christian. Is it biblical? I don't know. I don't think any political ideology is biblical.

a reply to: Antidisestablishment

Technically R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean ("Jesus") was far from what Americans call 'conservative' - but would be what we to-day would call a Marxist-Communist/Socialist-Idealist, since he seemed to have lived in a 'commune environment' with his 12 disciples who as a group shared a common purse (John 13:25-29); also he told people to lend freely without interest (not even requiring the principle to be paid back) which is anathema to the tenets of capitalism. We can see his abhorrence of profit-taking as described in the Riot at the Temple where the Rebbe made whips from cords and beat the money changers in the temple, overturning their tables in disgust by means of a violent public protest in the court of the Gentiles.

In these respects he resembled his Rabbi (Yohanon bar Zechariah, aka The Baptist) - '"let him who has two coats give to him that has none..."(Luke 3:11

Certainly the earliest Nazorean churches (Yahadim) were 'communes', much like the Dead Sea Scroll Covenanters (Sons of Light', 'Sons of Zadok', etc.) who lived in the monastery at Seccacah (i.e. aka Damascim, or Qumran) who shared everything in common, their worldly goods given to the common purse to benefit the whole group - and the earliest Nazorean churches seemed to have used Qumran 'Essenoid' tenets as the foundation of their existence.

a reply to: Antidisestablishment

Have only read the title. Here is my response, without reading any further than that:
Jesus [was] NOT a Conservative. He was a Buddhist.

a reply to: grandmakdw

What you said is the equivalent of me saying ALL non-Christians
or all American Democrats
are politically correct speech Nazis, environmental wackos,
LGBTQ+, and Christian haters.

LOL!!!!!
That's what you say all the time. In every thread.

(I don't believe the paragraph above, but...

then, why do you keep saying it?

a reply to: Antidisestablishment

He's not, but he's not a liberal either.

What part of Jesus is not a political shill do you not understand?

Had he been, he would have been all over the Roman Empire, but I think you'll find he didn't endorse them OR the Jewish patriarchs either one. He spoke to the people on an individual level about saving their souls and how to live a good life.

a reply to: DBCowboy

This thread was created to attack Christians. As someone neutral on the whole subject, I find it funny and pathetic at the same time.

Yet you don't find it funny and pathetic that Christians project their beliefs and theology on non-Christians here, and in the real world, every day? Interesting. Obviously, you are not neutral if you felt a defense was needed.

I figure conservative Christians to be conservatives who are Christian. Is it biblical? I don't know. I don't think any political ideology is biblical.

I get that answer a lot. Lol. Appreciate the reply.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Not here to bash Christians, but the people who defend bigotry by their non scriptural beliefs.

a reply to: Sigismundus

Interesting, thank you for your post.

a reply to: Klassified

Christians are supposed to live their faith. For some people, that's all it take to "project" our beliefs on them. Those are typically the same people who can't seem to understand that faith does not end in the pews on Sunday.