Islamic State (ISIS) Claims Responsibility for Oregon massacre. Chris Harper Mercer a Black Muslim?

a reply to: ketsuko

Anyone who kills in the name of religion is mentally ill.
I do expect an apology from a certain member of ATS for his constant bleating that it was our fault he did this and the fact he was not an atheist like that person wanted us all to think.
He was religious even though his religion was satanism.
Oh and I will blame religion when it is apt to blame religion and blame mental illness when it is mental illness.
I could turn grands argument right around and actually blame religion for what he has done but you and I know he was bat # crazy and his religious beliefs were just an excuse.
Same goes for people cherry picking the bible they use it to hide their own bigotry and failings as a human being.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Oh yeah, I agree we don't know what he said. Someone suggested he asked "are you religious" before he sent their souls on their way, and if so, then maybe he was going after anybody religious, regardless of the particular belief. Which I find equally disturbing, by the way.

But I'm finding it disturbing, that when a black person is killed, or a homeless person, or a mentally ill person, or any other person is killed unjustly, the entire country, including myself, goes berserk, and are very vocal in condemning it.

But now we seemingly have people killed because they are religious or Christian, and nobody gives a rat's ass and are trying to rationalize that religious beliefs had nothing to do with it, when in fact the information we have now doesn't support that position.

It simply leads me to believe that maybe Christian-hating is worse than I thought. I'm finding this all, and you peeps take on this alarming. I've always tried to be a fair person. Not bigoted in any way, and it's not something I've had to work at. It has come very naturally to me.

Anyway. Enough. I'm going to go play with my dogs. They are non-judgmental, and don't mind if I'm a Christian.

a reply to: Violater1

I'd like to see some proof that this claim is real. Something identifying CNN with that photo. Anyone could put anything up, claiming anything.

One more thing. I went to an early church service this morning. We had a prayer with the entire congregation asking God to comfort the refugees, and to help ease their pain and distress. We prayed for Syria, and all those suffering in the middle east. Then my ladies group met, and we designated who would serve at the soup kitchen this afternoon; I knew it wasn't my turn, but I took 20 sweet potatoes for them to take. Then we started planning our fund raiser for Christmas gifts for the poor.

The sermon was about opening our hearts to those in need. He also mentioned opening our wallets a few times, for those populations.

Anybody wants to know what we do in church, that's what we do.

a reply to: old_god

Everyone is not full of hate and venom,

originally posted by: Violater1

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
There's a link out there where CNN lightened his skin and reshaped his nose and lips.
This is what passes for news?
Good God were screwed.

Here's the photo comparison that proves CNN continues to misrepresent the news.

No kidding?

Well something is seriously fishy,

The news says he had a hatred for blacks, yet he killed whites, says he was conservative republican, yet he singled out Christian, which I find a little odd,

I think someone is manipulating the facts on social sites, and I have from the beginning.

I have found some interesting things.

originally posted by: Violater1

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
There's a link out there where CNN lightened his skin and reshaped his nose and lips.
This is what passes for news?
Good God were screwed.

Here's the photo comparison that proves CNN continues to misrepresent the news.

Reminds me of all the pictures that lightened Obama's skin tones pre-2008 election.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: ketsuko

Anyone who kills in the name of religion is mentally ill.

Anyone who kills except for self-defense or in wartime could be argued as mentally ill.

a reply to: Violater1

Not proof yet you still have to prove that image comes from CNN.

I'm going to need a better source than an anonymous quote in People magazine saying the guy did it strictly because of Satanism which is the only source so far on this.

That's the kind of story that sells magazines in the checkout line.

a reply to: kaylaluv

I'm a little concerned that the whole focus on the "Christian persecution" idea is just deflecting from the issue that he was able to legally purchase guns. THAT is the thing we should be focusing on, IMO.

Oh please! One anti-Christian hate crime does not "religious persecution" make.

Good grief! You would only think it makes religious persecution if you think that one single incident = persecution, and I do see plenty of that as it pertains to other groups. I could site KC for that. There were two incidents where transgenders came off worst in crimes here recently. One was a transgender who was killed in a fight over shoes which was not even really connected to him/her being transgender, and the other was a call girl who passed herself off as a woman and her john possibly took exception to the bait and switch and beat her and pushed her out of the car, killing her. That may and may not have been a hate crime as it could also have been that the john was going to do it to his call girl no matter who or what she was. Prostitution is dangerous.

But based on those two incidents alone, KC has been painted as a "seething hotbed of anti-transgender hatred" when the two crimes in question really don't necessarily prove anything of the sort.

So, yeah, if you label things as persecution that easily, then OK this might be seen as evidence of widespread anit-Christian persecution. Otherwise, this is just plain refusal to admit that yes, Christians can be targeted, and they can be targeted in the US. It does happen here for whatever reason.

And the reason this has been dropped is proof enough that there are troublesome facts involved that make this story unpalatable to the press to push for one reason or another. They, like people here, don't want to admit that Christians were targeted for their faith. It takes them to an uncomfortable place with an election year coming up.

originally posted by: DelMarvel
I'm going to need a better source than an anonymous quote in People magazine saying the guy did it strictly because of Satanism which is the only source so far on this.

That's the kind of story that sells magazines in the checkout line.

I don't blame you but other news agencies are picking it up.

muddy the water

originally posted by: DelMarvel
I'm going to need a better source than an anonymous quote in People magazine saying the guy did it strictly because of Satanism which is the only source so far on this.

That's the kind of story that sells magazines in the checkout line.

His own social media sites him as interested in left hand path. Do some research on that. It leads nowhere good.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

Wasn't it ABC that creatively edited Zimmerman's 911 call to make it look more racially motivated than it was by cutting out the operator asking him what race Martin was?

They also all ran with pictures of Martin several years younger than he was at the time of the incident to firmly plant an innocent child picture in the public's head.

The news media is not above creative editing to try to make a story fit their preferred facts.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
Then there is this,

Anti gun control sheriff leading Roseburg investigations shared sickening Sandy Hook conspiracy video on Facebook which claimed grieving parents were ACTORS

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... zz3nYBKwyP8
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KInda odd don't you think?

I can't get over this, seriously bizarre.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Stormdancer777

Wasn't it ABC that creatively edited Zimmerman's 911 call to make it look more racially motivated than it was by cutting out the operator asking him what race Martin was?

They also all ran with pictures of Martin several years younger than he was at the time of the incident to firmly plant an innocent child picture in the public's head.

The news media is not above creative editing to try to make a story fit their preferred facts.

Yes.

a reply to: ketsuko

You mean it's possible to creatively edit something to distort what was really said???!!?? Wow. Seems to me there are other groups out there who are not above creative editing to try to make a story fit their preferred "facts".

originally posted by: Stormdancer777

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
Then there is this,

Anti gun control sheriff leading Roseburg investigations shared sickening Sandy Hook conspiracy video on Facebook which claimed grieving parents were ACTORS

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... zz3nYBKwyP8
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

KInda odd don't you think?

I can't get over this, seriously bizarre.

Wow. That merits its own thread.

originally posted by: ketsuko

And the reason this has been dropped is proof enough that there are troublesome facts involved that make this story unpalatable to the press to push for one reason or another. They, like people here, don't want to admit that Christians were targeted for their faith. It takes them to an uncomfortable place with an election year coming up.

You keep saying that, but nothing has been dropped. The story is still being discussed across all news media. "Some" people just don't want to admit that maybe this had nothing to do with targeting Christians. One witness made one comment, and it's all over the conservative news that Christians were targeted, totally ignoring the other witness who said Christians were not being targeted. All this before we've even seen the manifesto. If that doesn't sound like a persecution complex, I don't know what does.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: angeldoll

So lets blame all the people who question religion eh? is this what you agree with? Grand has said it already are you blaming people who question religion?.
Should we all be quiet and not question it incase someone goes mad and does it again?.
The real thing is this tradgedy is obviously mental illness but you lot keep on telling yourselfs this is a greater plot to kill christians.
You all love it don't you I can see you all loving the fact people were killed and in your eyes it was because they were Christian.
Just gives you more ammunition doesn't it to bleat to all how horrid it is being a Christian and how everyone wants you all dead.
Disgusting the lot of you...It is like you only care that Christians were shot what about the others who died eh?.

You are wrong.
I don't blame people who question religion, nothing at all wrong with that.

I do blame people who say the world would be a better place without religion.
Because, even if you want to deny it, the only way to get rid of religion is to get
rid of the people practicing it right now.

I do blame people who say the world would be a better place without Christians.

I do blame people who say
All Christians are homophobic, all Christians are narrow minded, all Christians
are abortion clinic bombers at heart, all Christians want to send everyone to hell,
all Christians think they are better than everyone else. All of these and much
more are hate speech clear and simple. These things are NOT true of all
Christians, certain not any of the ones I know.
Every group has bad people in it, but it is in fashion right now to gleefully
claim all christians are (name the ugly meme of the day), and have tons
of people pat you on the back and say yeah, we need to get rid of those
intolerant people, the world would be better off without them.
This is the kind of hate speech that I am talking about.

People should question faith in my opinion, no one should accept
any faith without a great deal of questioning.

But questioning is a far cry from the glee filled, pat each other
on the back, the world should get rid of ..... and it would
be a better world without .....
hate speech that many engage in online.

I don't love what happened all,
it was evil pure and simple,
and it played out the evil hate speech
that so many are so fond of on ATS
and online in general. That is truly
sick and ugly.

It is indicative of our popular culture
of Christian bashing for fun,
you are projecting your guilty feelings
onto me and don't seem to like what you see.