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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: AMPTAH
But "Marriage" is not religious, you can have a Religious Ceremony, but that is not "Marriage"
This is what so many don't understand. The legal marriage is the contract with the state. What happens in a church is the ceremony, holy matrimony, sacred bond, stuff like that.
What does the minister usually say? "Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to join this man and this woman in holy matrimony."
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. KJV, Deuteronomy 22:28-29
For a whore is a deep ditch; and a strange woman is a narrow pit. KJV, Proverbs 23:27
originally posted by: AMPTAH
There's a lot I don't know about gay marriage. For example, are gays and lesbians required to "consummate" the marriage with sex.
In a heterosexual marriage, the marriage isn't valid until the man and woman actually have sex.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: AMPTAH
There's a lot I don't know about gay marriage. For example, are gays and lesbians required to "consummate" the marriage with sex.
Marriage is marriage. There's really no need to separate out "gay marriage". States have their own laws about consummation.
originally posted by: AMPTAH
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: AMPTAH
There's a lot I don't know about gay marriage. For example, are gays and lesbians required to "consummate" the marriage with sex.
Marriage is marriage. There's really no need to separate out "gay marriage". States have their own laws about consummation.
Well, it is important. Because sex in straight couple relationships has a definite and specific polarity. So, consummation means the man providing seed to the woman.
But, if two men marry each other, then the question arises, is consummation one man providing seed to the other, or must they take turns, so that consummation is confirmed by both directions being satisfied?
See? It's a complex issue. More important because this is new territory.
Similarly, if two women marry each other, where does the seed come from to consummate the marriage?
originally posted by: jimmyx
or...religious people can treat the marriage as being the same as a 75 year old man marrying a 75 year old women...no conception involved. so...."seed" does not count in that, but it would still be recognized as a legitimate marriage
Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear? KJV, Genesis 17:17
Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women. KJV, Genesis 18:11
Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son. KJV, Genesis 18:14
For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him. KJV, Genesis 21:2
originally posted by: AMPTAH
Well, it is important. Because sex in straight couple relationships has a definite and specific polarity. So, consummation means the man providing seed to the woman.
But, if two men marry each other, then the question arises, is consummation one man providing seed to the other, or must they take turns, so that consummation is confirmed by both directions being satisfied?
See? It's a complex issue. More important because this is new territory.
Similarly, if two women marry each other, where does the seed come from to consummate the marriage?
If consummation cannot be determined, then the gay and lesbian marriage would not be valid in any state requiring consummation to validate the union, regardless of any federal law to the contrary.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
The question arose in your mind. The thought has never entered my mind to be the least bit concerned about gay consummation, or ANY other marriage's consummation. Why would I be interested or care? But since you do, perhaps your clergy could help you with the answer.
originally posted by: Darth_Prime
Once again it turns to Sex, is it really still Legal to "Force" someone to have Sex in order for their Marriage to be valid?
originally posted by: dawnstar
I kind of think that the Christian God should have kept himself in his own region
But, how can you have any opinion about gay marriage if you know nothing about it?
originally posted by: AMPTAH
Very amusing. "doesn't effect freedom of religion at all"....then...."...God commands it".
Madness and confusion. That's the ultimate effect from perusing the lusts of the flesh.
The marriage penalty in the United States refers to the higher taxes required from some married couples that would not be required by two otherwise identical single people with exactly the same incomes. Multiple factors are involved, but in general, in the current U.S. system, single-income married couples usually benefit from filing as a married couple because of income splitting, while dual-income married couples are often penalized in comparison. The percentage of couples affected has varied over the years, depending on shifts in tax rates.
en.wikipedia.org...
But, how can you have any opinion about gay marriage if you know nothing about it?
originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: AMPTAH
I can immediately see lots of fraudulent marriages being constructed to game the system.
We already have people doing that. Marrying for green card for example.
Your point?
In fact, they take each person aside, and questions each separately, then compare notes.
originally posted by: dawnstar
Gay marriage is opening a path to big fraudulent profits?? Really??