Religious Liberty?

originally posted by: Annee


I thought it was when our forefathers wisely understood the need for Separation of Church and State.

Yes, but you misunderstand. The separation of Church and state, was so that no particular Christian denomination could dominate any other. So, the Catholics couldn't deny the Protestants their rights to practice their own view of the doctrines. But, at the core, these were all christian men, writing down the constitution with the view of the "core christian principles" in mind, and attempting to avoid the dominance of any particular sect.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

So she has no problem refusing to issue marriage licenses to others that are also against the Bible? I don't see her doing that, only the gay people. If she was so worried about going to hell she wouldn't issue the licenses to anyone ever.

Her religion does not tell her, that non-Christians cannot marry.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
That's correct. Kim works for the state. She's a government official. She used the State to deny the gay couples the marriage licenses because of religion. Now where's the separation of Church and state? She abused her office. End of story.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: AMPTAH

Her religion does not tell her, that non-Christians cannot marry.


Thank you for proving my point. I know you don't realize it. People like her pick and choose whatever they want to believe from the bible.

Thanks again for proving our point.

She, as an individual, upholding her personal religious beliefs, is exercising her right to her religious freedom.

If it isn't in the Bible, there's nothing to pick and choose.

Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

The rest of your post? Sorry I had to ask you. Have you been on drugs? I apologize.

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
as a "Tool" to discriminate against people or to 'Control" other peoples life.

No, I don't do drugs. If you would point out any of the statements I wrote that made you think that, I'd be happy to elaborate on it.

The big movement against religious liberty really began with the gay movement. Since gays practice a form of sexuality that is contrary to the doctrines of the Christian faith, and there are many gays in positions with a "voice", politicians, reporters, etc..the attack on the Christian faith began.

In 1901, Georgia Gov. Allen Candler defended unequal public schooling for African Americans on the grounds that “God made them negroes and we cannot by education make them white folks.” After the Supreme Court ordered public schools integrated in Brown v. Board of Education, many segregationists cited their own faith as justification for official racism. Ross Barnett won Mississippi’s governorship in a landslide in 1960 after claiming that “the good Lord was the original segregationist.” Senator Harry Byrd of Virginia relied on passages from Genesis, Leviticus and Matthew when he spoke out against the civil rights law banning employment discrimination and whites-only lunch counters on the Senate floor.

Although the Supreme Court never considered whether Bilbo, Candler, Barnett or Byrd’s religious beliefs gave them a license to engage in race discrimination, a very similar case did reach the justices in 1983.

Bob Jones University excluded African Americans completely until the early 1970s, when it began permitting black students to attend so long as they were married. In 1975, it amended this policy to permit unmarried African American students, but it continued to prohibit interracial dating, interracial marriage, or even being “affiliated with any group or organization which holds as one of its goals or advocates interracial marriage.” As a result, the Internal Revenue Service revoked Bob Jones’ tax-exempt status.

This decision, that the IRS would no longer give tax subsidies to racist schools even if they claimed that their racism was rooted in religious beliefs, quickly became a rallying point for the Christian Right. Indeed, according to Paul Weyrich, the seminal conservative activist who coined the term “moral majority,” the IRS’ move against schools like Bob Jones was the single most important issue driving the birth of modern day religious conservatism. According to Weyrich, “t was not the school-prayer issue, and it was not the abortion issue,” that caused this “movement to surface.” Rather it was what Weyrich labeled the “federal government’s move against the Christian schools.”

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